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Second cycle opinion

Shatter

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In the planning stages of my second cycle, first one was a great success. Will probably be starting this around 1st of feb next year, so still some time to plan it out.

First cycle was simple;

500mg ew test enanthate

ended up running .25mg e3d or sometimes less of adex, nipples got a little sensitive but went away straight away with the adex

clomid 50mg ed for 4 weeks for pct (didnt like the clomid, made me feel horrible, ended up switching for nolva 20mg ed)

Next cycle I was thinking I would like to add another compound, but not too sure exactly what I am gonna do. Will be trying to gain as much lean mass as possible with minimal fat gains. Deca seems like a good choice, but it seems like a lot of people like to run it at 400mg ew, aswell as a 2:1 ratio of test to deca? So 800 test 400 deca sounds like way too much gear to me.

How would this work out?

400mg test enanthate ew (weeks 1 -14)

200mg deca per week (weeks 1 - 12)

.25mg adex e3d/e4d

20mg nolva 4 weeks, 2 weeks after last injection

Is there other compounds I could be considering? I dont get offered much options :(. And how would that cycle with deca compare to a cookie cutter 500 test per week cycle? Both of them would be run for around the 14-15 weeks mark.

Another thing I was curious about is dianabol. It seems like it doesnt provide much use rather than seeing the gains earlier, in the way that you dont have to wait for the test to start doing its thing, or have I misinterpreted its use?

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don't bother with deca or any other compound atm.

either keep test the same amount or increase it. testosterone is #1 steroid.

take dbol if u want... best to be patient and start taking it around 2 weeks after first injection once the test kicks in so both steroids are working together at the same time instead of just running dbol by itself and waiting for the test ester to kick in imo..

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don't bother with deca or any other compound atm.

either keep test the same amount or increase it. testosterone is #1 steroid.

take dbol if u want... best to be patient and start taking it around 2 weeks after first injection once the test kicks in so both steroids are working together at the same time instead of just running dbol by itself and waiting for the test ester to kick in imo..

How long does a Test Ester take to kick-in ... 2 weeks?

Sounds like the complete opposite advice of front-loading imo

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Before we answer your specific questions, what's your stats?

- Years training

- Age

- Height

- Weight

- Approximate body-fat %age

Got to make sure you're not an obese 16 year old.

None of that really matters when after reading his post he's got about 100 times the common sense you have when it comes to a cycle.

Anyway cycle looks good. 400 test and 200 deca will go good! Even 500 test, 300 deca would be good if u wanted to use a wee bit more. There are no rules like 2:1 ratio for test:deca, ppl just like to run test abit higher to avoid certain side effects.

Simple is best.

Good luck man.

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How long does a Test Ester take to kick-in ... 2 weeks?

Sounds like the complete opposite advice of front-loading imo

either the test is cyp or enanthate since they're the most common.

front loading sounds like a useless practice imo

unless you have to finish a cycle in a specific time then it has a benefit

otherwise why not run just the cycle longer instead of front loading

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thanks tomsammce, yeah I feel like less is better.

after just using 500 test ew, I grew like a weed without any issues apart from sensitive nipples, another cycle with roughly around the same with something like deca thrown is should be awesome

Yep agree, or even do the 500mg of test cycle again... It's not like its just not gonna work again. You don't need to change compounds or up dosages every cycle. It's only ur second and if u thought ur first cycle was the bees knees then y not do it again got ur second

Heapsa myths and bro science out there

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Yep too true, I did respond to it well. Would be nice just to have a bit of joint support as well. Still got plenty of time to research what im doing before I make a decision (doing the whole time on = time off, meaning around end of jan is the first time I could start again)

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In the planning stages of my second cycle, first one was a great success. Will probably be starting this around 1st of feb next year, so still some time to plan it out.

First cycle was simple;

500mg ew test enanthate

ended up running .25mg e3d or sometimes less of adex, nipples got a little sensitive but went away straight away with the adex

clomid 50mg ed for 4 weeks for pct (didnt like the clomid, made me feel horrible, ended up switching for nolva 20mg ed)

Next cycle I was thinking I would like to add another compound, but not too sure exactly what I am gonna do. Will be trying to gain as much lean mass as possible with minimal fat gains. Deca seems like a good choice, but it seems like a lot of people like to run it at 400mg ew, aswell as a 2:1 ratio of test to deca? So 800 test 400 deca sounds like way too much gear to me.

How would this work out?

400mg test enanthate ew (weeks 1 -14)

200mg deca per week (weeks 1 - 12)

.25mg adex e3d/e4d

20mg nolva 4 weeks, 2 weeks after last injection

Is there other compounds I could be considering? I dont get offered much options :(. And how would that cycle with deca compare to a cookie cutter 500 test per week cycle? Both of them would be run for around the 14-15 weeks mark.

Another thing I was curious about is dianabol. It seems like it doesnt provide much use rather than seeing the gains earlier, in the way that you dont have to wait for the test to start doing its thing, or have I misinterpreted its use?

Your cycle looks good.

There are no other compounds you should be considering. With Deca you already have a new compound in the mix. Spend some time and get to know it and how you react to it.

The proposed cycle will compare nicely to your previous cycle. Be aware of Deca Dick though, you may want to research that if you haven't already.

Dianabol is good, it's got a very favourable anabolic rating, and is quite good at putting on mass (not just water). I'd suggest you wait until a bit further down the line before introducing it... you should get to know Deca first... don't throw too many things that you're not familiar with into the pot. You'll get confused as to what's doing what and you wont be able to appreciate their effects properly.

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