2nd cycle: Constructive criticism most welcome

[clebbens]

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[Android]

that all looks good for first cycle and 80kg on a 160cm guy is pretty solid.

Popular anabolics to add to a Test cycle are Deca or Boldenone.

Sounds like you're lean enough for Boldenone, and since it also sounds like you don't like or care for the puffy look and water retention (am I wrong?) and that your diet is high in protein I would try Boldenone (it has a habit of failing for people who don't eat high protein for some reason).

But of course Deca works as well otherwise it wouldn't be so popular.

There are some that pick same amount Test as Deca. I think 400mg Deca or Boldenone/ week is a good start and can go with 500mg or 600mg Test.

[clebbens]

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[clebbens]

Edit: winner, not dinner.

And my bf% was measured using pinch test and pretty much lean everywhere except lower back and the dreaded 6th pack.

According to electronic scales I'm 10% but according to pinch caliper test I'm 12 so went with halfway them both.

I still think if anavar was cost effective, a test e base, anavar cycle would be just as good or better lean gains?

So test eq, test deca and test anavar : recommendations?

[dannyjay]

anavar won't do shit to get u lean, diet & cardio will

wouldn't bother with boldenone, useless cosmetic drug...

if u want best muscle gain then go test & deca

600mg test & at least 400mg deca is a good cycle

[clebbens]

Diet is mentioned above.

my cardio : empty stomach with albuterol and yohimbine, caffeine. start with 20 mins low intensity and later weeks increase to 40 and last weeks maybe 60 mins.

I agree diet and cardio is important, but put aside everything else is controlled and only the compound is changed, i heard anavar is good with stubborn fat, hence another reason why females love it other than its mild sides.

I'm here to learn, so someone confirm anavar don't do sh$t when comes to stubborn fat?

edit: General question: is it recommended if stacking compounds use same ester? for example test e and tren e goes together but test e and tren a won't?

[tomsammce]

No, the ester determines the half life etc but the compound is the same.

Using tren ace u will get more tren mg for mg than tren enanthate.

IMO it's better to use tren ace with a long acting test.

Tren is tren, but acetate is a better suited ester to the tren compound IMO.

[clebbens]

Makes sense yes.

Another general question regarding my first cycle.

From what I've learned, a test e only cycle, pinned muscles should not be sore over couple of days, especially ass pins. But in my case virgin muscle was sore yes that's understandable but towards 5th week it shouldn't be virgin muscles anymore, point being test e is apparently least "sore-able" injectable and i still was sore.

Other than yes harden the ef up, could the quality of product be a reason? Also what's your thoughts on the longer needle is in the muscle,worse the soreness will be.. ?

So does that mean quick jab do the deed and pull out might reduce soreness? Reading over my post looks like I'm answering my own questions.!

[tomsammce]

Good questions.

Without going into brands and shit stirring there are alot of products being made incorrectly with too many solvents making Injections just unbearable in some cases.

Properly made gear shouldn't be sore or give a reaction.

Obviously a bruising sensation will be felt in Virgin muscles or the odd one will be sore for a few days but constant soreness and aching is definitely avoidable.

[tomsammce]

A 1 inch needle is long enough for all muscles.

1.5 not needed even tho some ppl use them.

[dannyjay]

some [MOD EDIT: Brand names are not allowed.] tren ace made my muscles sore for 6 days before the pain faded.

[clebbens]

Apologies, not trying to shit stir, just genuine concerns. My body my money so every right to know if the brand was the reason for my few weeks of misery.

Anyways don't worry about it, it's in past I'll be more careful in future.

[tomsammce]

I wasn't implying you we're shit stirring more covering myself lol. There is just a rule on this forum about no brand names cause of all the bullshit that's happened in the past.

[clebbens]

Point taken. Moving on no more brand talk.

Back to cycle talk.

[futech]

some [MOD EDIT: Brand names are not allowed.] tren ace made my muscles sore for 6 days before the pain faded.

No issues here, you pinning right

[tomsammce]

some [MOD EDIT: Brand names are not allowed.] tren ace made my muscles sore for 6 days before the

[musclenz]

Anavar does not target BF as such but may reduce appartite. It does have quite a good strength & hardening component at around 30-50mg ed. It can be used reasonably safely up to 80mg ed but becomes pricey at that level & other drugs are preferred like Stanz or Proviron. Var does not effect HPTA & does not convert to E.

Your cycle is dependant on your goals. If you are looking for bulk & strength one would go down the TestE, Deca & DBol road. If strength & lean muscle gains one may look at TestE or Sustanon, Eq & Superdrol or Stanz.

It depends on what result you want as to what compounds you tend to use.

[liquid_101]

test-e and winstrol oral > to lower the SHBG and rocket your free test levels

[futech]

Anavar does not target BF as such but may reduce appartite. It does have quite a good strength & hardening component at around 30-50mg ed. It can be used reasonably safely up to 80mg ed but becomes pricey at that level & other drugs are preferred like Stanz or Proviron. Var does not effect HPTA & does not convert to E.

Your cycle is dependant on your goals. If you are looking for bulk & strength one would go down the TestE, Deca & DBol road. If strength & lean muscle gains one may look at TestE or Sustanon, Eq & Superdrol or Stanz.

It depends on what result you want as to what compounds you tend to use.

Well said.