I declare WAR!

[genetic freek]

This is good reading!

I don't think us all comparing ourselves really proves anything.

[trainlikeafreak]

This is good reading!

I don't think us all comparing ourselves really proves anything.

do u have better hair style than me bro?

[I Declare War]

No, you just don't get it TLAF.

Only reason I say shit about Tom and compare myself to him like that is because it's a response to him comparing himself to me first:

U put on no weight and look at the gear u using, then u try to tell me ur a thinker and I'm not.

Lol Iv achieved everything u have and more and I did it at 21 years old. Get fucked little wanker.

If you look at the order of who attacks who first... it's pretty much always him first, and me responding. Argh

[trainlikeafreak]

No, you just don't get it TLAF.

Only reason I say shit about Tom and compare myself to him like that is because it's a response to him comparing himself to me first:

U put on no weight and look at the gear u using, then u try to tell me ur a thinker and I'm not.

Lol Iv achieved everything u have and more and I did it at 21 years old. Get fucked little wanker.

alright m8 no hard feelings. do what u think is best and go hard

[I Declare War]

No, you just don't get it TLAF.

Only reason I say shit about Tom and compare myself to him like that is because it's a response to him comparing himself to me first:

U put on no weight and look at the gear u using, then u try to tell me ur a thinker and I'm not.

Lol Iv achieved everything u have and more and I did it at 21 years old. Get fucked little wanker.

alright m8 no hard feelings. do what u think is best and go hard

Chur, no hard feelings.

Gotta get this thread back on track.

[I Declare War]

I try not to mitigate high blood pressure by blocking water retention while on dbol, less anabolic.

Potassium

fish oil

folic acid

garlic

helped me in the past to an extent and are considered the best natural remedies.

I now bulk from 8-10% which has allows me aggressive front end cycles without affecting my bp drastically

Cheers again for this, it kind of got lost amongst all this Tommsamce nonsense.

I'll try out those sups. I really like hard front-loads myself so anything that helps is a plus!

[yeelang]

blah blah blah... I want to get banned

I try not to mitigate high blood pressure by blocking water retention while on dbol, less anabolic.

Potassium

fish oil

folic acid

garlic

helped me in the past to an extent and are considered the best natural remedies.

I now bulk from 8-10% which has allows me aggressive front end cycles without affecting my bp drastically

Hey! Welcome to the forum

That's great advice, exactly what I'm after. If I were to experiment with those items in your list there... which would you start with?

Fish oil, potassium and garlic are easy enough to add into your diet, if you're not already having some kind of fish oil I would add that first.

[trainlikeafreak]

never tried but apparantly hawthron berry and celery seed are very good for reducing BP. do u do cardio? do u eat clean? low sodium foods?

[genetic freek]

I try not to mitigate high blood pressure by blocking water retention while on dbol, less anabolic.

Potassium

fish oil

folic acid

garlic

helped me in the past to an extent and are considered the best natural remedies.

I now bulk from 8-10% which has allows me aggressive front end cycles without affecting my bp drastically

Cheers again for this, it kind of got lost amongst all this Tommsamce nonsense.

I'll try out those sups. I really like hard front-loads myself so anything that helps is a plus!

You talking about front loading orals?

I really don't agree with it, to hard on system and like I have said to you before I think with those hard water retention orals alot of the gains you think you get go when you drop them

[I Declare War]

I try not to mitigate high blood pressure by blocking water retention while on dbol, less anabolic.

Potassium

fish oil

folic acid

garlic

helped me in the past to an extent and are considered the best natural remedies.

I now bulk from 8-10% which has allows me aggressive front end cycles without affecting my bp drastically

Cheers again for this, it kind of got lost amongst all this Tommsamce nonsense.

I'll try out those sups. I really like hard front-loads myself so anything that helps is a plus!

You talking about front loading orals?

I really don't agree with it, to hard on system and like I have said to you before I think with those hard water retention orals alot of the gains you think you get go when you drop them

Nah shit no, no need at all to front load orals or short estered stuff. Good to point that out though in case others get that idea.

You're right about the temporary gains with orals. Dbol's great though, seems to go well with Tren for me - fixes my moods up and helps me push my training to the next level. Dbol for example is still very anabolic, so you do grow on it a lot if you are consistent.

never tried but apparantly hawthron berry and celery seed are very good for reducing BP. do u do cardio? do u eat clean? low sodium foods?

Yeah, eating clean makes a big difference. Haven't tried Hawthorn Berry but I've heard of that as well.

[I Declare War]

blah blah blah... I want to get banned

I try not to mitigate high blood pressure by blocking water retention while on dbol, less anabolic.

Potassium

fish oil

folic acid

garlic

helped me in the past to an extent and are considered the best natural remedies.

I now bulk from 8-10% which has allows me aggressive front end cycles without affecting my bp drastically

Hey! Welcome to the forum

That's great advice, exactly what I'm after. If I were to experiment with those items in your list there... which would you start with?

Fish oil, potassium and garlic are easy enough to add into your diet, if you're not already having some kind of fish oil I would add that first.

cheers mate, just found a big bottle of fish oil caps in the pantry. sometimes girlfriends do come in useful!

[dannyjay]

tomleegolf = yeelang

[I Declare War]

tomleegolf = yeelang

:shock:

[DIANABOL]

I'll try out those sups. I really like hard front-loads myself so anything that helps is a plus!

You talking about front loading orals?

I really don't agree with it, to hard on system and like I have said to you before I think with those hard water retention orals alot of the gains you think you get go when you drop them

Nah shit no, no need at all to front load orals or short estered stuff. Good to point that out though in case others get that idea.

So what are you talking about then? When you say hard front loads...

[Optimass]

interesting read bro - I don't normally read through the threads in S&P sounds like you are getting some consistent results .... trial and error the best way to figure it all out sometimes.

Recommend you get your BP checked to be sure. Increased blood plasma and water retention would be something that could cause the nose bleeds but I wouldn't recommend loading potassium as a solution - not without a good understanding of how much sodium intake you have in your diet and ensuring you are putting in enough water per day. Dehydration will exacerbate polycythemia when using Dbol. so increasing water intake to 3-5L + 1/2 aspirin a day will be of more use if the cause of it is related to blood volume.

Once you can check you sodium intake and can verify its on the high side that's the only time I'd consider Potassium in the first instance. Potassium and Sodium manipulate water transfer but the body likes to keep equilibrium. I.E Sodium intake goes up it will try and use water to flush it out and bring the level of sodium back into par with potassium. Potassium goes up same thing. Miss judge it and you have a worse problem than when you started.

It's possible/probable your cholesterol is high too - I have high LDL at the moment so have started using L-Carnitine as I have read more and more about how it can break down LDL in the system. Not sure if you are getting LDL checked at all but reducing it may also assist.

thoughts?

[genetic freek]

interesting read bro - I don't normally read through the threads in S&P sounds like you are getting some consistent results .... trial and error the best way to figure it all out sometimes.

Recommend you get your BP checked to be sure. Increased blood plasma and water retention would be something that could cause the nose bleeds but I wouldn't recommend loading potassium as a solution - not without a good understanding of how much sodium intake you have in your diet and ensuring you are putting in enough water per day. Dehydration will exacerbate polycythemia when using Dbol. so increasing water intake to 3-5L + 1/2 aspirin a day will be of more use if the cause of it is related to blood volume.

Once you can check you sodium intake and can verify its on the high side that's the only time I'd consider Potassium in the first instance. Potassium and Sodium manipulate water transfer but the body likes to keep equilibrium. I.E Sodium intake goes up it will try and use water to flush it out and bring the level of sodium back into par with potassium. Potassium goes up same thing. Miss judge it and you have a worse problem than when you started.

It's possible/probable your cholesterol is high too - I have high LDL at the moment so have started using L-Carnitine as I have read more and more about how it can break down LDL in the system. Not sure if you are getting LDL checked at all but reducing it may also assist.

thoughts?

To complicated.

I defiantly would not be putting aspirin in with nose bleeds as it would make them worse.

[soundsgood]

I would have thought aspirin would thin the blood out making nosebleeds more prevalent?

[I Declare War]

Thanks Optimass. Good info, I'll try and reply tonight.

[yeelang]

interesting read bro - I don't normally read through the threads in S&P sounds like you are getting some consistent results .... trial and error the best way to figure it all out sometimes.

Recommend you get your BP checked to be sure. Increased blood plasma and water retention would be something that could cause the nose bleeds but I wouldn't recommend loading potassium as a solution - not without a good understanding of how much sodium intake you have in your diet and ensuring you are putting in enough water per day. Dehydration will exacerbate polycythemia when using Dbol. so increasing water intake to 3-5L + 1/2 aspirin a day will be of more use if the cause of it is related to blood volume.

Once you can check you sodium intake and can verify its on the high side that's the only time I'd consider Potassium in the first instance. Potassium and Sodium manipulate water transfer but the body likes to keep equilibrium. I.E Sodium intake goes up it will try and use water to flush it out and bring the level of sodium back into par with potassium. Potassium goes up same thing. Miss judge it and you have a worse problem than when you started.

It's possible/probable your cholesterol is high too - I have high LDL at the moment so have started using L-Carnitine as I have read more and more about how it can break down LDL in the system. Not sure if you are getting LDL checked at all but reducing it may also assist.

thoughts?

Just to reiterate I'm not suggesting he goes to town on potassium supplementation but it's clear a deficiency in potassium can affect bp. An increase in potassium above the general population has been shown to decrease the chance of stroke and cardiovascular disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21371638 (Not a NZ study but 247,510 sample size)

While potassium might not directly negate high bp, it can reduce the risk of some of the more serious associated problems with having a high bp. The majority of the population don't get enough potassium and get too much sodium so I am making some assumptions based on that

[I Declare War]

You talking about front loading orals?

I really don't agree with it, to hard on system and like I have said to you before I think with those hard water retention orals alot of the gains you think you get go when you drop them

Nah shit no, no need at all to front load orals or short estered stuff. Good to point that out though in case others get that idea.

So what are you talking about then? When you say hard front loads...

Using higher dosages of long estered gear at the start of a cycle to get blood concentrations up to peak level quickly. If you know how to handle your sides well you can front load harder with higher dosages.

[tomsammce]

Here's a tip for u to lower blood pressure - dont use such stupid amounts of gear.

That might be abit to simple of a solution though as Iv noticed you like to make things as complicated as possible.

[I Declare War]

interesting read bro - I don't normally read through the threads in S&P sounds like you are getting some consistent results .... trial and error the best way to figure it all out sometimes.

Recommend you get your BP checked to be sure. Increased blood plasma and water retention would be something that could cause the nose bleeds but I wouldn't recommend loading potassium as a solution - not without a good understanding of how much sodium intake you have in your diet and ensuring you are putting in enough water per day. Dehydration will exacerbate polycythemia when using Dbol. so increasing water intake to 3-5L + 1/2 aspirin a day will be of more use if the cause of it is related to blood volume.

Once you can check you sodium intake and can verify its on the high side that's the only time I'd consider Potassium in the first instance. Potassium and Sodium manipulate water transfer but the body likes to keep equilibrium. I.E Sodium intake goes up it will try and use water to flush it out and bring the level of sodium back into par with potassium. Potassium goes up same thing. Miss judge it and you have a worse problem than when you started.

It's possible/probable your cholesterol is high too - I have high LDL at the moment so have started using L-Carnitine as I have read more and more about how it can break down LDL in the system. Not sure if you are getting LDL checked at all but reducing it may also assist.

thoughts?

Yep, need to check BP that's for sure. I think it's possible that I'm getting too much water lately, drinking too much washes the electrolytes out of your body. I got some ab cramps yesterday, and I never get them apart from when I'm running clen. Need to learn to listen to my body rather than trying to force things.

What do you think about SG and GF's comments regarding Aspirin making nosebleeds worse? I'd have thought the opposite as it's well known to decrease blood pressure.

[I Declare War]

Here's a tip for u to lower blood pressure - dont use such stupid amounts of gear.

That might be abit to simple of a solution though as Iv noticed you like to make things as complicated as possible.

Thanks (srs). Good observation.

[I Declare War]

Triceps + Forearms today

Close-Grip Bench Triple Drop

Set 1: 140kg, 100k, 60kg

Set 2: 120kg, 80kg, 60kg

Set 3: 100kg, 80kg, 60kg

Good progress on here, last week I did 120kg as my max, because I hadn't close-gripped in such a long time, maybe 8 months. This week I did 140kg, nice full reps.

[Was glad when that was over, my stamina is shit. Goal is to build up stamina from workout to workout, currently I'm just hitting a wall after the first set. My mate reckons once we've built our stamina up we'll start seeing some good size gains.]

[We started doing sets of Dumb Bell curls between the exercises throughout the workout to keep the Biceps warm/pumped. Next week will be Bicep torture week.]

Bodyweight Dips super-set with Close-Grip Incline Pushups.

3 sets of 20. I was longing for some weight, but the close-grips felt like they'd done a good job so I skipped this time around. Next workout I'll be doing these weighted.

One-arm Tricep Cable Push-downs Triple Drop super-set with DB concentration curls.

3 sets for each arm, DB curls kept light as we're just going for a pump this workout.

Lying French EZ-bar Presses super-set into Close-Grip Presses

60kg 7 reps for the frenchies

50kg forgot how many reps

40kg forgot how many reps

Close-Grip presses were all about 15 reps until failure

Tricep Rope Pushdowns superset with Bent-Over EZ-Bar Concentration curls

Tripple drop from full stack for me, again stamina fucked me, I can do good reps on full stack, then I just hit the wall after several reps on the drops.

Bent-Over EZ-Bar concentration curls were kept light at 20kg, we just repped for the pump.

Lastly for Triceps we did DB Kickbacks Ronnie Style. Double drop

20kg drop to 10kg

Felt like a good exercise if you really concentrate and get into the motion correctly.

Next up was forearms... but my TP was nackered, and we decided to push them to another workout this time. He seems to be getting a bit stronger, already close-gripping 100kg quite nicely and it's only his second time training in several months.

I can see how he built his natty 19 inch guns. Fucken beast of a workout.

Chest will be done next week, I wonder if all this tricep work will make a difference to my bench pressing. I damn hope so :pray:

[genetic freek]

Google aspirin

It's a blood thinner

Stops blood clotting