First cycle and blood pressure

[total_gym1000]

Just would like to get some thoughts around cycling and high blood pressure.

I'm thinking about starting my first cycle next year once I get to 10% body fat. It will be test only, 500mg per week for 12 weeks, potentially kicking off with dbol.

I had my blood pressure taken in the weekend, I was 150/90. Had it taken today at doctors and it was 156/86. Normal range as per doctor is 120/80. My diet is very clean, no takeaways or alcohol and I do cardio everyday.

Apparently with my family, high blood pressure is heriditory, as mum and brother are taking meds to keep it within the normal range.

From my research, i understand that certain compounds can increase blood pressure. My question is, to those with experience, is there a way to safely cycle if you already have slightly higher than normal blood pressure?

FYI I plan to discuss all this with my doctor prior to going on, as I will be getting bloods done before and regularly thoughout the cycle.

Cheers in advance...

[I Declare War]

What's your stats like age, height, weight and bodyfat %, years training?

I'd definitely recommend staying away from Dbol if you're prone to high blood pressure. I get nosebleeds and bad as headaches if I'm on it for too long... and I have low blood pressure naturally.

[jacked]

bro tbh my dad and his family have a history with blood pressure at times my blood pressure is high to but not to worry about it. i had cycled dbol and test aswell for my first cycle as a starter. i cut down on alcohol by heaps. ate clean and gained a solid amount of mass. if u feel dbol is too much for u break it up during the day and take them. i use to take them 45mins before gym, but it depends on ur intake of it. if it gets too much just use test suspension. another good pre wrkout. but not as good as dbol or anadrol

[total_gym1000]

What's your stats like age, height, weight and bodyfat %, years training?

I'd definitely recommend staying away from Dbol if you're prone to high blood pressure. I get nosebleeds and bad as headaches if I'm on it for too long... and I have low blood pressure naturally.

26yo, 5'8, 83kg around 15% body fat give or take, been training on and off for a few years but more cereal for past 12 months. Bulked to 90kg several weeks ago and now 7 weeks into 12 week cut, down to 83kg.

[total_gym1000]

bro tbh my dad and his family have a history with blood pressure at times my blood pressure is high to but not to worry about it. i had cycled dbol and test aswell for my first cycle as a starter. i cut down on alcohol by heaps. ate clean and gained a solid amount of mass. if u feel dbol is too much for u break it up during the day and take them. i use to take them 45mins before gym, but it depends on ur intake of it. if it gets too much just use test suspension. another good pre wrkout. but not as good as dbol or anadrol

Thanks for the input mate. Do you know how much your BP rose while on cycle from your baseline?

[I Declare War]

What's your stats like age, height, weight and bodyfat %, years training?

I'd definitely recommend staying away from Dbol if you're prone to high blood pressure. I get nosebleeds and bad as headaches if I'm on it for too long... and I have low blood pressure naturally.

26yo, 5'8, 83kg around 15% body fat give or take, been training on and off for a few years but more cereal for past 12 months. Bulked to 90kg several weeks ago and now 7 weeks into 12 week cut, down to 83kg.

Are you running anything to cut such as Clen or any other stims? They might be giving you a high bp currently.

Water retention from the Dbol could be a factor, you'd do well running some Arimidex along side while you're on the Dbol if you do go ahead with it.

[total_gym1000]

What's your stats like age, height, weight and bodyfat %, years training?

I'd definitely recommend staying away from Dbol if you're prone to high blood pressure. I get nosebleeds and bad as headaches if I'm on it for too long... and I have low blood pressure naturally.

26yo, 5'8, 83kg around 15% body fat give or take, been training on and off for a few years but more cereal for past 12 months. Bulked to 90kg several weeks ago and now 7 weeks into 12 week cut, down to 83kg.

Are you running anything to cut such as Clen or any other stims? They might be giving you a high bp currently.

Water retention from the Dbol could be a factor, you'd do well running some Arimidex along side while you're on the Dbol if you do go ahead with it.

No special stimulants or pre workout formulas. Just 1-2 cups of coffee a day. Not an alarming amount of salt that I can see in my diet, though I thought cardio should help with sweating a lot of it out. Getting bloods done shortly to check cholesterol and a few other things.

Does taking an anti-e during a cycle limit your gains? This doesn't worry me too much as I'd rather be safe and not gain as much during first few weeks then risk my BP shooting through the roof...

[jacked]

bro tbh my dad and his family have a history with blood pressure at times my blood pressure is high to but not to worry about it. i had cycled dbol and test aswell for my first cycle as a starter. i cut down on alcohol by heaps. ate clean and gained a solid amount of mass. if u feel dbol is too much for u break it up during the day and take them. i use to take them 45mins before gym, but it depends on ur intake of it. if it gets too much just use test suspension. another good pre wrkout. but not as good as dbol or anadrol

Thanks for the input mate. Do you know how much your BP rose while on cycle from your baseline?

i never checked it bro. but at times when i use to check my dads blood pressure i use to have a look at mine was around the 150 mark. wasnt toooo scared about using dbol at that point. since then havent checked my blood pressure. this was around February time when i was bulking. still alive i guess hahaha \:D/

[I Declare War]

Does taking an anti-e during a cycle limit your gains? This doesn't worry me too much as I'd rather be safe and not gain as much during first few weeks then risk my BP shooting through the roof...

It will limit it somewhat but not much. The water retention from Dbol does play a part in helping you lift the extra pounds, but it's also the extra aggression that comes from it that helps a lot as well.

Possibly just trying running Test for your first cycle. You're still quite light for your height and you'll likely be able to put quite a few solid kgs on if you train and eat right using just test alone. The quality of Dbol around here in NZ is pretty debatable as well... you might end up getting some bunk.

[jacked]

Does taking an anti-e during a cycle limit your gains? This doesn't worry me too much as I'd rather be safe and not gain as much during first few weeks then risk my BP shooting through the roof...

It will limit it somewhat but not much. The water retention from Dbol does play a part in helping you lift the extra pounds, but it's also the extra aggression that comes from it that helps a lot as well.

Possibly just trying running Test for your first cycle. You're still quite light for your height and you'll likely be able to put quite a few solid kgs on if you train and eat right using just test alone. The quality of Dbol around here in NZ is pretty debatable as well... you might end up getting some bunk.

wise words :clap: known majority of people who have gone thru this process of using just test to avoid the dbol effects. but dbol at the end of the day is still a strong product with mint results to it.

[jimmybro1]

I don't believe high blood pressure is hereditary. If you look at the dynamics of it something must to restricting blood flow or influencing the characteristics of your blood making is more viscous and difficult to pump putting additional stresses on arteries. This could ever be diet (which you say is on point) or stress.

You want to keep saturated and trans fats to a minimum, and avoid stress.

I know my blood pressure is on point with what is considered the healthy range but during end of semester exams it sky rockets just from the additional stress.

[total_gym1000]

I don't believe high blood pressure is hereditary. If you look at the dynamics of it something must to restricting blood flow or influencing the characteristics of your blood making is more viscous and difficult to pump putting additional stresses on arteries. This could ever be diet (which you say is on point) or stress.

You want to keep saturated and trans fats to a minimum, and avoid stress.

I know my blood pressure is on point with what is considered the healthy range but during end of semester exams it sky rockets just from the additional stress.

Hey man, yeah I don't believe it is diet related as the bad fats are very very limited, I eat the same clean foods day in day out.

I don't have much stress in my life (single) haha, and my desk job is not very demanding.

Thinking of investing in a decent blood pressure monitor to check my levels daily.

[dannyjay]

an anti e wont limit ur gains wtf

it would make gains better

gaining large amounts of weight in short time/heavy diet will make blood pressure higher

nothing to do with steroids except maybe dbol/adrol

[total_gym1000]

Does taking an anti-e during a cycle limit your gains? This doesn't worry me too much as I'd rather be safe and not gain as much during first few weeks then risk my BP shooting through the roof...

It will limit it somewhat but not much. The water retention from Dbol does play a part in helping you lift the extra pounds, but it's also the extra aggression that comes from it that helps a lot as well.

Possibly just trying running Test for your first cycle. You're still quite light for your height and you'll likely be able to put quite a few solid kgs on if you train and eat right using just test alone. The quality of Dbol around here in NZ is pretty debatable as well... you might end up getting some bunk.

wise words :clap: known majority of people who have gone thru this process of using just test to avoid the dbol effects. but dbol at the end of the day is still a strong product with mint results to it.

I'm more than happy to run a test only cycle - i understand it will just take a bit longer for the test to kick in, which is why the dbol at the start of cycle is so effective right?

Might take the advice here and keep it simple, if everything goes smoothly first time round and bloods/pressure is fine, i can start adding compounds in future cycles if i decide to run more, plus with all the check ups ill be doing, ill be aware of how my body may react..

[denzil]

It will limit it somewhat but not much. The water retention from Dbol does play a part in helping you lift the extra pounds, but it's also the extra aggression that comes from it that helps a lot as well.

Possibly just trying running Test for your first cycle. You're still quite light for your height and you'll likely be able to put quite a few solid kgs on if you train and eat right using just test alone. The quality of Dbol around here in NZ is pretty debatable as well... you might end up getting some bunk.

wise words :clap: known majority of people who have gone thru this process of using just test to avoid the dbol effects. but dbol at the end of the day is still a strong product with mint results to it.

I'm more than happy to run a test only cycle - i understand it will just take a bit longer for the test to kick in, which is why the dbol at the start of cycle is so effective right?

Might take the advice here and keep it simple, if everything goes smoothly first time round and bloods/pressure is fine, i can start adding compounds in future cycles if i decide to run more, plus with all the check ups ill be doing, ill be aware of how my body may react..

my last bulk cycle on dbol bp got up to 180, u can feel it in yur body when sht is that high lol necase wasnt too much of a problem for me, yeh run just a test only cycle and see how that goes there is no rush 1 step at a time.. each cycle just gets mre and mre expensive bear that in mind...so if you can get good gains of less then keep at it and slowly add in compunds and then increase compound dose, add in another and so on.. depending on yur goals

[dannyjay]

jfc bro why are you so worried bout this for

if ur that concerned bout ur delicate health then don't fkn take steroids

ur making it sound like steroids will murder u if you take them

ur blowing the effects out of proportion

u can't die from exogenous sex hormones jfc...

either take the shit and don't look back or leave them alone

[denzil]

jfc bro why are you so worried bout this for

if ur that concerned bout ur delicate health then don't fkn take steroids

ur making it sound like steroids will murder u if you take them

ur blowing the effects out of proportion

u can't die from exogenous sex hormones jfc...

either take the shit and don't look back or leave them alone

dont be intimidated by this bro^ ^ effects of a compound we call tren. its the summer season LOL

[jimmybro1]

an anti e wont limit ur gains wtf

it would make gains better

gaining large amounts of weight in short time/heavy diet will make blood pressure higher

nothing to do with steroids except maybe dbol/adrol

I thought due to the fact you are taking an external source of testosterone your body will no longer be converting cholesterol to testosterone as you natural test production shuts down. This in turn causing both cholesterol and blood pressure problems.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[total_gym1000]

jfc bro why are you so worried bout this for

if ur that concerned bout ur delicate health then don't fkn take steroids

ur making it sound like steroids will murder u if you take them

ur blowing the effects out of proportion

u can't die from exogenous sex hormones jfc...

either take the shit and don't look back or leave them alone

LOL just wanted to get some advice, that's all mate.

I don't see the harm in gaining as much knowledge as possible, this is new territory for me after all..

Appreciate your comments..

[dannyjay]

an anti e will block the testosterone converting to estrogen so u keep more testosterone as testosterone in the blood stream

[jimmybro1]

an anti e will block the testosterone converting to estrogen so u keep more testosterone as testosterone in the blood stream

Estrogen also has a purpose though, you will end up drying your joints out.

[nate225]

Keep monitoring your BP regularly. It tend s to rise with BW increases but also the water retention will push it up. As suggested earlier anti-E's can help with this but you also need some E in your system for cardiac health. A mild herbal diuretic may help to, though if your BP stays up I'd be asking for meds.

Meds are in two types mainly - beta blockers (you dont really want these for training lol) and ones that work on emzymes. Cilazapril (Inhibase) is a common example of the latter. Some use this while on cycle only or when bulking and BW is high, dropping off when BP decreases.

Look after BP - having it too high for long periods can hammer kidneys, especially with all that comes with the BBing lifestyle for many! :grin:

[I Declare War]

Thanks Nate, good informative post there buddy!

Does taking an anti-e during a cycle limit your gains? This doesn't worry me too much as I'd rather be safe and not gain as much during first few weeks then risk my BP shooting through the roof...

It will limit it somewhat but not much. The water retention from Dbol does play a part in helping you lift the extra pounds, but it's also the extra aggression that comes from it that helps a lot as well.

Possibly just trying running Test for your first cycle. You're still quite light for your height and you'll likely be able to put quite a few solid kgs on if you train and eat right using just test alone. The quality of Dbol around here in NZ is pretty debatable as well... you might end up getting some bunk.

wise words :clap: known majority of people who have gone thru this process of using just test to avoid the dbol effects. but dbol at the end of the day is still a strong product with mint results to it.

Thanks 8)

Happy to contribute

[evilR1]

About your blood pressure being high I also thought i had this problem i onle have one kidney and wanted to get my blood pressure sorted out. when i went to the doctor it was 170/90 :shock: which is pretty high since i had been sitting around all day.

I had a few tests done all bloods and urine test to check out kidney as well as an ultra sound. All results came back fine so the doctor put a 24 hour blood pressure monitor on me. Got results from that back today and my average blood pressure was within the normal limits and i have nothing to worry about. \:D/

The doc said its a thing called Whitecoat Hypertension which means its only high when getting tested by the doctor. Aparantly its quite common and even my doctor said he has it as well.

So maybe do that and have ur blood pressure monitored over 24 hours and see if you have the same thing.

Just a thought.

[nosher]

About your blood pressure being high I also thought i had this problem i onle have one kidney and wanted to get my blood pressure sorted out. when i went to the doctor it was 170/90 :shock: which is pretty high since i had been sitting around all day.

I had a few tests done all bloods and urine test to check out kidney as well as an ultra sound. All results came back fine so the doctor put a 24 hour blood pressure monitor on me. Got results from that back today and my average blood pressure was within the normal limits and i have nothing to worry about. \:D/

The doc said its a thing called Whitecoat Hypertension which means its only high when getting tested by the doctor. Aparantly its quite common and even my doctor said he has it as well.

So maybe do that and have ur blood pressure monitored over 24 hours and see if you have the same thing.

Just a thought.

same happened to me...a series of tests all showed as high.The doc asked if I was taken anything and I denied it even though I was taking 500mg of test and 250 mgs of decca a week.Had a home test done and B.P was in the safe range .My diet is pretty clean and try and stay clear of the dreaded booze. \:D/