Thoughts?

[Donald Duck]

What are the general thoughts on the following 15 week cycle.

1 to 15: 375mg test e per week

2 weeks on, 2 off of albuterol

11 to 15: 250mg tren per week and 30mg winny per day

This is a pre contest cycle for a first time user

[Grover]

Its been said before, for first time users keep it simple.

Why not just take the test and see what effect that has, next cycle up the test if all went well .

Then think about the extras

Just because you are taking all of these doesn't necessarily mean the result will be great if your diet and training etc are not dialled in.

[I Declare War]

What are the general thoughts on the following 15 week cycle.

1 to 15: 375mg test e per week

2 weeks on, 2 off of albuterol

11 to 15: 250mg tren per week and 30mg winny per day

This is a pre contest cycle for a first time user

Tren for a first-time user? No, not good. Too many potential sides.

Post your age, height, weight, bodyfat %, and also some pics might help us guesstimate where you're at training-wise.

[DANIEL8]

this cycle looks fine to me.

Im not sure why people discourage the use of anabolics such as tren and insist on using a test only cycle first time around. You will eventually be using tren for "a first time" anyway so why not make it your first cycle. after all, tren is said to be more potent than test and completely different, so the use of testosterone alone isnt exactly going to "prepare" him for tren.

I doubt the effects of a test only cycle are going to be so mind boggling and full of sides that it will put you off the use of any "harsher" compounds such as trenbolone.

[Donald Duck]

Doesn't seem too harsh. Have read about the dosages and these are pretty low I think. But hey, I am the novice. You guys are the experts.

Training wise I am going well. Bulking up now. Weigh about 98kg at 12% bodyfat. I am 1.82m tall. Training my arse off. Guess I need to go up to about 105kg before january.

[frocko]

why 375mg of test? Why not 400 or 500?

[Donald Duck]

First thoughts was 250mg, but was told that might not be enough.

[dannyjay]

you should get decent results from this

no point in going lower than 250mg imo

if anything go higher

250mg is hrt dose lol... ur a bodybuilder you will be needing a lot more test than that for significant muscle growth in the future imo

[frocko]

I'd just do a straight 500mg. Twice weekly injection boomtown

[tomsammce]

Firstly 250mg of testosterone per week is far above an HRT dose that any qualified person would prescribe.

HRT patients don't even get 100mg per week

250mg is far higher than any natural level of testosterone, and as the long estered drug builds up in ur system you'll actually have a lot more than that in your system.

You don't use tren in a first cycle, simply because you don't have to. What a waste. It's not a very smart thing to do.

375mg of test per week is adequate and there's no reason why you won't grow a lot off that.

[I Declare War]

Firstly 250mg of testosterone per week is far above an HRT dose that any qualified person would prescribe.

HRT patients don't even get 100mg per week

250mg is far higher than any natural level of testosterone, and as the long estered drug builds up in ur system you'll actually have a lot more than that in your system.

You don't use tren in a first cycle, simply because you don't have to. What a waste. It's not a very smart thing to do.

375mg of test per week is adequate and there's no reason why you won't grow a lot off that.

:clap:

[Donald Duck]

375mg it is then.

I hear different things about the tren though. Why not use it? Will be at low dose of 250mg a week. Will probably use it at a later stage.

[tomsammce]

375mg it is then.

I hear different things about the tren though. Why not use it? Will be at low dose of 250mg a week. Will probably use it at a later stage.

Because you'll grow fine without it. Look your obviously a little impatient and probably getting told to do it by your source so they can make more money. It's not right nor wrong to use tren in your first cycle. But think long term and you can only gain so much muscle on your first cycle... Using the tren isn't gonna make your first cycle anymore successful. You'll do the cycle and when u look back in hindsight you'll realise you coulda got exactly the same results without it.

Anyway all the best with which ever option you choose.

[train hard]

if you can,t grow on a first cycle of 375mg test only a week you are doing everything else wrong either that or your one of the unlucky 1% of the population that genuinely have shit genetics

[severe]

why 375mg of test? Why not 400 or 500?

1.5mls @250mg/ml. Nice easy ring to it.

[tomsammce]

why 375mg of test? Why not 400 or 500?

1.5mls @250mg/ml. Nice easy ring to it.

Exactly lol it's like those ppl who have to have the television volume on 20,25 or 30... 22 or 27 no fucking way! Lol

[Donald Duck]

1.5mls @250mg/ml. Nice easy ring to it.

It does have a better ring to it. This is mainly a cutting cycle, the 375mg test e and 200mg tren e per week is just to keep some reasonable size while getting lean. I was told by non supplier that the 200mg tren from week 11 to 15 is a good idea.

Tren isn't that bad, is it? I mean, 200mg a week is fairly mild isn't it?

[I Declare War]

1.5mls @250mg/ml. Nice easy ring to it.

It does have a better ring to it. This is mainly a cutting cycle, the 375mg test e and 200mg tren e per week is just to keep some reasonable size while getting lean. I was told by non supplier that the 200mg tren from week 11 to 15 is a good idea.

Tren isn't that bad, is it? I mean, 200mg a week is fairly mild isn't it?

Try and think of it this way...

Tren is to humans what Methanol is to Methanol Funny Cars. You need to be adequately prepped up to make use of it.

Tren will make you go hard out, it'll make you a bit funny, and it'll smack you down if you're not prepared for the sides. You need to have built a good base to make use of it.

Possibly if you do really well in those first 11 weeks of your cycle, some tren would do good to finish you off for your comp. But... it's not really needed at your stage of development. It's quite an advanced compound and takes some time to learn how to use it well. It's easy to over-train on it and it's easy to become a dickhead and put your job or relationship at stake because of it.

[Donald Duck]

Good to have people with proper insight and knwoledge of this sharing their thoughts. This sight is great to get well informed.

11 weeks of test e would be a good platform to start tren on wouldn't it?

Leaning more in favour of the tren at the moment, but am still open for suggestions.

[severe]

I got really paranoid while on tren. 75mg EOD. Maybe no one else gets that, but I noticed it. Went away when off. I am suspect usually, but the paranoia was terrible. Even songs on the radio... I interpreted them as codes, warning me of shit. Real mental.

The tren was the only thing different in my life.

I liked the quick body hardness, but am not sure if I will do again.

All good now though, rolling on test e alone.

PS, I will probably do again.

[Donald Duck]

Had a bit of a laugh at that post. Sounds like you mixed the tren with some E or meth or something.

Tren e is good. Don't think at that low a dose of 200mg a week will harm somebody that much?

[I Declare War]

Had a bit of a laugh at that post. Sounds like you mixed the tren with some E or meth or something.

What severe is saying is about right for Tren. I'm forever trying to figure out what's real and what's not when I'm on it!

It's like a party drug, and sometimes not a very fun one. My mood gets very unstable on it if I'm not careful... feel like a billion dollars (too good) one minute, then feel completely opposite later on. Gotta be careful.

I'd suggest you not try and learn how you respond to it if you've got a specific goal in mind such as a comp. Dabble with it afterwards and learn to use it.

[tomsammce]

Lol it's not that's amazing... U make it sound like the fucken jedi force off the Star Wars!

OP is just gonna do it anyway so dunno what the point if even asking is, waste if time even posting ITT

[I Declare War]

Lol it's not that's amazing... U make it sound like the fucken jedi force off the Star Wars!

OP is just gonna do it anyway so dunno what the point if even asking is, waste if time even posting ITT

hey it's fun describing it like that.

and yea, sounds like he's already got it and the barrel is already loaded!

[Donald Duck]

Haha. Barrel is not loaded. Still too far out from comp. I don't want to stuff it up.

Tren sounds like some very wild shiz niz.