Lance Armstrong

[genetic freek]

Been following this hard.

What's everyone think about it? Not interested in ppl wanking about him cheating as they all on it, no difrent to a Mr O lol.

I personally think the testers should go for a skate not Lance, 200 tests and not one fail?

[Brownrat]

Yeah I feel sorry for him TBH, like you say GF many of them are doing some form of enhancement (correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that there is still no way to test for HGH) staying ahead of the latest “trend”.

They have been after him for a while now, piss me off at all the tossers coming out of the woodwork like rats from the sinking ship..... WTF.

Given the amount of prize money and sponsorship money thereafter would be mighty tempting to look for a competitive edge. I don’t care what anyone says, he still had to ride the wheels off that bike and ride it hard as hell.

[Gym rat]

I was wondering when there would be a thread about Lance Armstrong.When heard about Lance Armstrong being caught for doping six times when he was racing I thought what a dumb ass and that is going to put people off buying products what ever that be.I wrote on twitter yesterday Lance Armstrong 2012 sports hall of shame member

[Kiwijuice]

I think there just mad that he managed to fool them/ get away with it for so long now there out for vengeance, when they should of just kept there mouths shut and waited to ping people in the future for it. Done a lot of harm to the sport and his charity etc.

I personally dont care if there all on something, people want to see the biggest strongest fastest most athletic people yet bitch and moan when the obvious comes into the public light.

[Riccardo]

You gotta feel for the guy because as you mentioned the best in cycling are riding more than one kind of bike but having said that, if he competed in a tested sport while taking prohibited substances/blood doping then its cheating, plain and simple; he has to accept the consequences of being caught.

However I really would like to see the contents of the USADA report because this does seem to resemble a witch hunt. As far as I'm aware he has never tested positive? If all they have is testimonies from other cyclists and team mates who have been caught then that's pretty rough in my opinion. USADA have essentially rewarded the guys who have spoken out against Lance, they released a statement that these guys were 'oh so brave' for speaking out and that they would become advocates for USADA to fight doping, basically making these guys into some sort of reformed anti-doping poster boys. So when those who tested positive are faced with the option of becoming an outcast of the sport or the above alternative and all they have to do is say Armstrong stuck a few needles in his arse, then it's clear that there is a major conflict of interest.

Again I'd love to see the actual USADA report, there's got to be more evidence than just testimonies from bitter ex-team mates and hearsay. Until we know more details it's kind of hard to know the full extent of whats been going on.

[genetic freek]

I just don't see how you can do him for it.

To me it's like over 10 years driving thru a check point, blowing under everytime& then 10 years later some mates go to the cops and say oh I saw him at The pub pissed as, was in th car that night he was drunk & then the cops turning up Abd saying right off to prison we hear you wre drunk....

[pyro]

As far as I know all the guys that have testified against him, were basically drug cheats themselves and have been banned from the sport and will be given dispensation to race again if they did testify. Im sure the others that were banned and are no longer racing also received special rewards for doing the same.

The most tested man in sporting history and never a positive test. Seems utter bs to me that now they are coming out after him yet again and this is the only way they can pin something on him.

I loved one of his team mates interviews, said he joined the team and noticed that occasionally some member were given white bags, he didnt know what they were but figured after a while they were drugs. Sadly he never seen what was in the bags and just assumed. More of the so called evidence they used against him.

[Ninja]

I think there just mad that he managed to fool them/ get away with it for so long now there out for vengeance, when they should of just kept there mouths shut and waited to ping people in the future for it. Done a lot of harm to the sport and his charity etc.

I personally dont care if there all on something, people want to see the biggest strongest fastest most athletic people yet bitch and moan when the obvious comes into the public light.

This sums it up..

[Darkmanx]

This is a witch hunt buy USADA and thats exactly why the UCI hasnt givin in to USADA's claims. I also believe that everyone is after Lance because of his success that they got caught for doping and he keeps winning so he must be doping too attitude. Over 300 tests being done on him not one positive. I wonder how the credibility of those testifying against him could stand up. I mean they are the ones that have been caught afterall.

USADA makes me sick with their ways. They reward the crims of the sport. Sad, really sad.

[Android]

You gotta feel for the guy because as you mentioned the best in cycling are riding more than one kind of bike but having said that, if he competed in a tested sport while taking prohibited substances/blood doping then its cheating, plain and simple; he has to accept the consequences of being caught.

However I really would like to see the contents of the USADA report because this does seem to resemble a witch hunt. As far as I'm aware he has never tested positive? If all they have is testimonies from other cyclists and team mates who have been caught then that's pretty rough in my opinion. USADA have essentially rewarded the guys who have spoken out against Lance, they released a statement that these guys were 'oh so brave' for speaking out and that they would become advocates for USADA to fight doping, basically making these guys into some sort of reformed anti-doping poster boys. So when those who tested positive are faced with the option of becoming an outcast of the sport or the above alternative and all they have to do is say Armstrong stuck a few needles in his arse, then it's clear that there is a major conflict of interest.

Again I'd love to see the actual USADA report, there's got to be more evidence than just testimonies from bitter ex-team mates and hearsay. Until we know more details it's kind of hard to know the full extent of whats been going on.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/!invesitgations%20and%20enterprise%20docs/armstrong-reasoned-decision.pdf

criminal, but also a hero...we all loved to see him win because he battled cancer with one testicle. If he was a member of N-Sync with a skill for cycling we'd be saying burn him.

Lance is a tough guy to hate but all others before him got roasted so he should b no different. He should stay natural and let others come 1st in the racing.

Honestly though,

they should have an enhanced Olympics just as they have the disabled Olympics.

Am sure the crowds would love to see higher jumps, faster sprints, longer throws, bigger lifts, and quicker swim times....I think that's what we enjoy about the real Olympics anyway, seeing records beaten.

It would probably overshadow the "real" Olympics and never be allowed to happen though. Imagine watching a weight lifter reaching a record lift but knowing that it was nowhere near the best in the enhanced Olympics...no big deal anymore

[severe]

He got ratted out by other (less successful) drug users. Shame on them too. Whether he did or didn't isnt the real issue. I think that sore losers (and they admitted taking drugs) pointed the finger at him, because they doped and failed to catch him.

Whole lot of sissy school yard kids.

Every sport will have the drug users. But kiwijuice is right, everyone wants a winner, the best and fastest winner. We love to see excellence, and pretend they aren't enhanced.

I say shame on the rats for being sore losers. And the people who donated ot the cancer fund and now want their money back! ffs, you donated to cancer research etc, not Lance personally. phaggots.

[Android]

This is probably the better read, has the decision and the USADA document.

http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/

Lance didn't contest the decision to strip him of everything from 1998 onwards

Damn sure if I was innocent of doping I would fight for injustice and the American dream. Especially if the evidence was shaky and just heresay, then surely he's innocent.............................

Was great hearing about him winning every time, battling the odds, surviving life and beating others in the toughest cycle race on the planet...but I guess he was just a cheat after all.

Is EPO useful in bodybuilding?

[drizzt]

Had there been a hearing even more evidence would have been presented, including, evidence obtained through arbitration panel subpoenas and potentially evidence from government investigations.

Furthermore, at a hearing USADA would have been able to examine on the record and under oath members of Mr. Armstrong’s inner circle and others with knowledge of Armstrong’s doping who refused to come forward or were unwilling to speak with USADA absent a subpoena. Mr. Armstrong’s refusal to participate in a hearing prevented the testimony of many other witnesses from being heard.

Only a few pages in, but this (on pages 2-3) sounds to me as if they are gutted they didn't get to grill him in a courtroom for everybody to see.

Also, it kind of infers that if people didn't step forward and the case ended up in court, they would've been subpoenaed to appear? Maybe some of the "witnesses" just assumed he'd continue to defend himself and made a pre-emptive strike - better to be seen to voluntarily step forward and provide info, than to be subpoenaed and dragged out of hiding...

My opinion - I think he's a cheat, but it doesn't mean he isn't (or wasn't) one of the top cyclists around. It sounds like everybody on tour was on something. I don't think that makes it right, but it kind of sounds like a level playing field.

[Android]

My opinion - I think he's a cheat, but it doesn't mean he isn't (or wasn't) one of the top cyclists around. It sounds like everybody on tour was on something. I don't think that makes it right, but it kind of sounds like a level playing field.

+1 - well said

[bambam]

People act as if they just found out Santa claus isnt real, everyone with any idea of cycling knew in the back of thier mind. Being as ex cyclist you get a real appreciation for just what these guys put themselves through over an event like the tour. To do it at the speeds they were during the lance armstrong era is just super human. He doped, they doped, he won, they didnt.

[jimmybro1]

Drugs or no drugs the guy has promoted the sport more than anyone else and has inspired thousands. I don't understand why the media and cycling associations are hell bent on degrading this name.

Yes he may or may not have take drugs, but the majority of the competitors are. In reality people want to see people on performance enhancing drugs who wants to see the same times year after year. People want to see freaks and records smashed!

Maybe cycling will lose a lot of attention because of for in depth drug testing resulting in poorer times and less records broken. People will continue to develop new maskers and undetectable drugs however nothing will stop that. I guess being in the spot light for a period of time is better than not better in the spot light at all.

[Gym rat]

I had thought on the way to the gym which was because Lance Armstrong being caught for dopping six it is going to put lots of people buying his book which will make them think twice about buying his book.Note to self dont google Lance Armstrong or search for Lance Armstrong on Twitter.

[tomsammce]

Lance Armstrong is the fucking man!

[Riccardo]

I feel even more sorry for the guy. Just goes to show drug testing in sport is a joke. I understand that the rules are the rules and if you don't like it then don't compete and I'm all for having to man up and taking your punishment if you're caught but we let our athletes use various kinds of equipment and kit whether they be super light rugby boots or contact lenses. Tiger Woods had laser eye surgery, does that make him a cheat? Why don't we all just strip down naked and compete like the ancient greeks (no homo)? As much as I like the idea of an untested olympics I can't see the general population being able to stomach it, they have been too brainwashed into thinking that people who use PEDs are the scum of the earth.

[genetic freek]

Currently the cyclist are injecting vitamins IV

Yes its legal but ...

[bambam]

The shouldnt even be doing that according to the rules http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-app ... dle-policy

[Pseudonym]

[Darkmanx]

Now that was funny. The bold fella reminds me a bit of old alf steward for som reason. "we had no idea" ha.

[I Declare War]

As much as I like the idea of an untested olympics I can't see the general population being able to stomach it, they have been too brainwashed into thinking that people who use PEDs are the scum of the earth.

The problem is that some of them are the scum of the earth (for lack of better words). I bet that if you remove the testing you'd get people competing that are fully abusing the PEDs to the point where it's really bad for their health. But that's their choice isn't it? It'd turn into a competition of who responds best to the drugs and who's prepared to sacrifice (or risk) their health the most by using the most drugs.

[genetic freek]

As much as I like the idea of an untested olympics I can't see the general population being able to stomach it, they have been too brainwashed into thinking that people who use PEDs are the scum of the earth.

The problem is that some of them are the scum of the earth (for lack of better words). I bet that if you remove the testing you'd get people competing that are fully abusing the PEDs to the point where it's really bad for their health. But that's their choice isn't it? It'd turn into a competition of who responds best to the drugs and who's prepared to sacrifice (or risk) their health the most by using the most drugs.

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