HELP ARNOLD SHWARZENEGGER!!!

[jerume]

It's definitely time to flex some muscle in support of bodybuilding's champion of champions', Arnold Schwarzenegger.

If you have been watching the news and sports networks like ESPN, they have been running a story that is aimed at taking cheap shots at fitness legend, super-star, cultural icon and now Governor of the great state of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The story itself is a bunch of shallow nonsense and is not even worth reiterating here. But, during the course of this story, the media not only attempts to malign our HERO, they also attack our most revered fitness publications; Muscle & Fitness and Flex, and the entire sport of bodybuilding; in other words they are attacking all of us.

This is totally unacceptable at anytime, but especially when the media has strategically chosen to do this just before bodybuilding's biggest annual event; The Arnold Classic.

Arnold has always supported bodybuilding and its numerous health and character building benefits. Arnold's, friend and mentor, Ben Weider, President of the IFBB (International Federation of Bodybuilders) sums up the importance that bodybuilding has in the world in his famous statement that appears on IFBB letterhead;

"Bodybuilding Is Important For Nation Building"

The historical, present and future importance of bodybuilding is celebrated by its' growing popularity and widespread presence. Bodybuilding is currently one of the top ten largest sports in the world, and is in over 170 countries.

Arnold's accomplishment and life-long commitment to getting the word out about the health building benefits of bodybuilding were even acknowledged by the White House, where Arnold served in his President appointed role as Chairman of The President's Council On Physical Fitness and Sports.

So let's show the world and the media what happens when Arnold's supporters flex some muscle to get behind him in a big way.

Ryan DeLuca, CEO of Bodybuilding.com, the largest bodybuilding website in the world, has this special request for you, only if you believe in taking a united stand to support Arnold and bodybuilding:

It is time for the bodybuilding community all over the world to flex some muscle and let the media know just how much we support Arnold and his accomplishments and bodybuilding.

As The Arnold Classic approaches, we want to let the media know that we want them to run positive news about Arnold's dedication and commitment to making people healthier through bodybuilding. You can make a difference by sending an e-mail directly to ESPN and other media outlets using the simple five-second form below.

I encourage you to join us in this e-mail campaign to let the media know how we feel. You can easily participate in an instant simply by entering your real name and email address in the form below. Then, you can edit the pre-written message, send it as-is, or write your own. Come on and let the world know that Arnold and bodybuilding are the greatest. Thank you for doing so."

Ryan DeLuca

- CEO Of Bodybuilding.com

The link to promote is: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/supportarnold.htm

thanks for helping our hero of bodybuilding,i hope all of u can help arnold out!!!

[deegee]

Saw that on bb.com also on the news, the current US administration is on a real anti drug (sports enhacement) and it would seem anti bodybuilder crusade at the moment.

[Cornfed]

If you have been watching the news and sports networks like ESPN, they have been running a story that is aimed at taking cheap shots at fitness legend, super-star, cultural icon and now Governor of the great state of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Good. The guy is a barefaced hypocrite. He acts holier than thou over drugs, but he himself owes his fame and fortune to drugs and continues to profit from the Arnold Classic, the competitors of which use all manner of drugs and lead the very antithesis of a healthy lifestyle. Arnold's support for the Bush Junta's current persecution of his fellow juicers and bodybuilders in general is an unconscionable selling out of his fan base.

Really his whole entry into politics is disgraceful, particularly his support for the War On Terra. Aside from making him a murderous war criminal who belongs on the gallows like his spiritual mentors at Nuremberg, it is also likely to harm his fans. Impressionable youngsters may be conned into joining the military to murder others and be killed or maimed themselves just to make some rich shitpokes even richer. You'd think Arnold already had enough money and fame without whoring himself out to the Third Reich of our time.

Arnold is clearly an amoral sleazebag and probably always was. Anything bad that happens to him is ipso facto good.

Arnold's, friend and mentor, Ben Weider, President of the IFBB (International Federation of Bodybuilders) sums up the importance that bodybuilding has in the world in his famous statement that appears on IFBB letterhead;

"Bodybuilding Is Important For Nation Building"

Pretentious nonsense from a parasite on bodybuilding culture.

[Pseudonym]

Now I don't want you to hold back, Cornfed... tell us what you really think!

[jono]

i think people who idolise arnold expect him to be perfect and have the same views as them.. well ive got news for you, people are different. thats what makes life interesting.

[deegee]

Heard Arnold on the radio defending his iwn use of steroids, saying they were "experimenting" with new products that were no illegal at the time.

He did admit he would not ave have gotten where he is today without them though.

[Growth]

So what if he used steroids that were illegal at the time, if you ask me arnie is a pretty stand up guy. Hes a real personallity. Awesome BB'er, loved the movies, and now governor. Its a real success story and people are quite to bag such a person, ie tall poppy syndrome.

[Cornfed]

So what if he used steroids that were illegal at the time, if you ask me arnie is a pretty stand up guy.

If he were a stand up guy he would never have been elected governor. His stated political platform is ambivalence personified - evasive gibberish devised by PR consultants to get him elected, same as with any other American politician.

As I've said, his position on the drug issue is hypocritical not only because of his own previous conduct but because he still profits from competitions, books and such featuring obvious drug users. This makes it clear that he is not really emotionally opposed to drug use but is just cynically lining his own pockets. He is quite happy to profit from encouraging people to use drugs while at the same time inciting violence against the users. Weight trainers, whether they use drugs or not, should be outraged about this. We were essential for his career because we formed his core support base, but the moment the prick thinks he doesn't need us he sells us out while continuing to profit from us.

Its a real success story and people are quite to bag such a person, ie tall poppy syndrome.

Can you honestly not see any reason why anyone would criticize lying hypocrites, sellouts and warmongering shills other than the "tall poppy syndrome"? How about people who don't like that other Austrian success story, Adolf Hitler, who like Arnold promoted mass murder, torture and totalitarianism, but unlike Arnold, actually was a stand up guy? Must they also be afflicted with the "tall poppy syndrome"?

[Growth]

If he were a stand up guy he would never have been elected governor. His stated political platform is ambivalence personified - evasive gibberish devised by PR consultants to get him elected, same as with any other American politician.

I never said he was elected because hes 'a stand up guy'. Of corse the american political system is as much popularity contest as political contest, if not more so.

As I've said, his position on the drug issue is hypocritical not only because of his own previous conduct but because he still profits from competitions, books and such featuring obvious drug users. This makes it clear that he is not really emotionally opposed to drug use but is just cynically lining his own pockets. He is quite happy to profit from encouraging people to use drugs while at the same time inciting violence against the users. Weight trainers, whether they use drugs or not, should be outraged about this. We were essential for his career because we formed his core support base, but the moment the prick thinks he doesn't need us he sells us out while continuing to profit from us.

So he has a changed view on the use of drugs, that hardly compares to 'selling out'. While he may have used drugs before, now he is against them. The change IMO is politically motivated, and for us to speculate that hes has done it for the sole purpose of financial gain isnt fair.

How about people who don't like that other Austrian success story, Adolf Hitler, who like Arnold promoted mass murder, torture and totalitarianism, but unlike Arnold, actually was a stand up guy?

Yo cant compare Arnold to him, and exactly how is adolf hitler a success story? He failed to win his war and died :shock:

[Cornfed]

I never said he was elected because hes 'a stand up guy'. Of corse the american political system is as much popularity contest as political contest, if not more so.

This does not address what I wrote. Please carefully read what I wrote again.

So he has a changed view on the use of drugs, that hardly compares to 'selling out'.

No he hasn't changed his view. That was the point of my last post. Please try to carefully respond to other people's input

Yo cant compare Arnold to him, and exactly how is adolf hitler a success story? He failed to win his war and died

He rose from humble origins to become a legitimate war hero, internationally acclaimed public speaker, best-selling author and winning politician. He also conquered of most of Europe. Everybody dies. It should be obvious why I mentioned him in the context.

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Really, your posts in this thread have caused me to lose some respect for you. Please lift you game or confine you posts to training.

[deegee]

Arnold is now a Republican his father was an officer in the SS is there a link here?

You guys both post some good stuff, lets relax a bit... I have had a day off training and having a beer or two tonight not thinking of the calories!

[Growth]

Well ill tell you people who i have no respect for, people who tell others what to do from no position of authority. I mean really, saying "Please lift you game or confine you posts to training", who are you to decide what people are allowed to say, its a forum for gods sake, all members of this forum are on an equal platform when it come to speaking there mind. We have all seen posts that are deemed worthy of immediate deletion, posts that offer nothing to a thread, not even contructive critisism, yet noone else has told them what they can an cannot post.

My opinons are always that, my opinions. IMO Arnold was a great idol to look up to, and IMO he still is. You obviously dont have the same opinion, and thats fine, but dont tell me that i cant express my opinons because my posts are up to your standards. Apon re-reading your posts i did find that my responses were not really addressing what you wrote, and your responses that i should re-read what you wrote are fine, but to say that i should no longer post about topics other than strict BB'ing related topics is a bit much.

I could re-respond to your posts but i think we would be debating for along time as this topic extends to many to many other facets, some that have already been brought up and others that we would have no doubt gone in to, but i think it best to agree to disagree in this one, you think hes scum and i think hes an appriopriate idol for young BB'ers.

Now deegee, pass me a god damn beer. :grin:

[Cornfed]

^ My problem with your posts is not that you are expressing a different opinion, but that you are posting irrelevant and non-responsive stuff. Even your standards of literacy seem to have declined. This is objectively bad form and constitutes trolling, and this kind of thing can easily drag a whole forum down into mediocrity. Therefore I don't think the suggestion that you should lift your game is inappropriate.

[Growth]

^ My problem with your posts is not that you are expressing a different opinion, but that you are posting irrelevant and non-responsive stuff. Even your standards of literacy seem to have declined. This is objectively bad form and constitutes trolling, and this kind of thing can easily drag a whole forum down into mediocrity. Therefore I don't think the suggestion that you should lift your game is inappropriate.

So now my posts are irrelevant? The actual topic of this thread is "HELP ARNOLD SHWARZENEGGER!!!". Here is what the original poster of the topic said, and i quote,

The link to promote is:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/supportarnold.htm

thanks for helping our hero of bodybuilding,i hope all of u can help arnold out!!!

Here is a short sample from Ryan DeLuca - CEO Of Bodybuilding.com

they have been running a story that is aimed at taking cheap shots at fitness legend, super-star, cultural icon and now Governor of the great state of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger......

.....I encourage you to join us in this e-mail campaign to let the media know how we feel. You can easily participate in an instant simply by entering your real name and email address in the form below. Then, you can edit the pre-written message, send it as-is, or write your own. Come on and let the world know that Arnold and bodybuilding are the greatest. Thank you for doing so.

So to sum it up, this thread is all about support for Arnold. Now, my original post was all about support, how i liked him as a bodybuilder, as an actor, and as a governor.

To me my post seems very relavent to the thread, which lets remember, is asking "Come on and let the world know that Arnold and bodybuilding are the greatest". How is giving my support, in a thread that asks for support, irrelevant?

Now, lets take a quote from your first post. "Arnold is clearly an amoral sleazebag and probably always was. Anything bad that happens to him is ipso facto good."

So if we were really being pedantic, which you obviously are, then one could argue your post has no relevance to the support of Arnold. Unless of course you were just stating your opinion and you got flamed, which is what happened to me.

Even your standards of literacy seem to have declined.

Well, i think my standard of literacy is "irrelevant" :grin:

This is objectively bad form and constitutes trolling

Just to let people know Trolling is starting/replying to a post with comments that you know will piss people off, just to start a senseless argument. Now, lets look at my orignal post, im simply showing my support for Arnold, saying that i dont care that he used illegal steroids etc. This doesnt remotely constitute trolling, whereas your reply to my post is argumentitive, it attacks my own personal opinons etc, one mite say that you were replying to my post just to piss me off, just to start a senseless argument, which has indeed occured. Oh, hang on, thats trolling.

Finally, you comment "Therefore I don't think the suggestion that you should lift your game is inappropriate." is absurd. This is an open forum. Anyone can come to this forums to talk. As long as they say in the rules, they are free to speak how they like. For you to suggest that another member is not "up to standard", that they should "lift their game", is ludacris. Do i say to you "your literacy level is way to high for this board, you should lower it so that half the people on the board can understand what the hell your on about". Of course i dont, nobody tells other members how to act....except you.

[Cornfed]

^ There are certain preconditions necessary for any discussion to proceed. These include responsiveness to the statements of others and the avoidance of ad hominem fallacies. Posts which fail to meet these preconditions tend to derail the discussion regardless of what attitude people choose to take to them, so I would consider making such posts to be trolling.

Literacy is also a precondition of successful discussion. Poorly formed posts take more time to read and limit the amount of information that can be conveyed. It is not the case that the level of literacy is an arbitrary choice, as you seem to be suggesting; literate posts are objectively superior to illiterate ones.

BTW, I am not the first to comment on the form of another member's posts. What about the response to the Muscletech promoter?

[Pseudonym]

You've both made and argued your points well. But now we're going off on a tangent.

Keep debating the Arnold issue if you still have more to say, but stay on topic.

BTW - I'd suggest you guys make one point at a time... that way you don't give the other person any room to change the subject, and there's less likely to be confusion over your meaning.

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