hard workout + cardio =bad???

[DrDarkMatter]

Hi guys, there is a lot of talk going on in Youtube and facebook groups about working and and doing cardio in the same workout. There seems to be some agreement that doing cardio at the end of a workout (which I love to do by the way) steals resources that would other wise go to rebuilding muscle. I just wanted to get your take on this.

here is one quote:

"Cardio, per se, can't make your muscles shrink, however , it can contribute to that end. When you think about it, imagine energy/calories, needed to recover were depleted, because it was expended doing cardio? What would the body use to feed, recover , or heal, on a continuous basis, if the calories were deployed in a different way? If the calories that were needed to heal and recover were already used, where will they come from. Well, lets' not try to find out"

Doc

[Merlin]

I think any loss in gains would be quite minimal.... depending on the type of cardio e.g. Moderate, steady pace. High-intensity etc

Just make sure you're taking in enough carbs to fuel your body so that the protein can do what it does best?

[DrDarkMatter]

ya that was my thinking as well, but I wanted to get people thoughts, oh I am just doing stationary biking at mid intensity for 30 min to burn some calories...

[rapz]

I dont know what others thoughts are but im doing it all the time while cutting down. I just make sure i have my post workout shake, wait a few minutes for it to settle then get into it. I tend to mix it up with a bit of steady state cardio and every now and then chuck in some HIIT, i havent lost much gains, i do expect to lose a little over the time of cutting but as long as im doing all the other aspects right it hasnt hurt me too much, i dunno thats my two cents if its worth anything.

[DIANABOL]

I train (weights) on an empty stomach for 50-60 mins followed by 45 mins on the Step Mill, little muscle loss as yet although I do hang onto my LBM better than most others. Have been doing this program for 7 weeks.

[tomsammce]

I train (weights) on an empty stomach for 50-60 mins followed by 45 mins on the Step Mill, little muscle loss as yet although I do hang onto my LBM better than most others. Have been doing this program for 7 weeks.

U use gear lol of course u hang onto lbm better than most others. Lol

[teamfatboy]

Hmmm - smells like bro-science to me.

The body can't necessarily distinguish calories consumed from strength moves, from calories consumed from cardio (or can it?) - a work-out of duration X is a workout...

So, if someone does a weights workout, followed by cardio, when does the rebuilding begin ? Maybe I'm missing something deep in the metabolic studies...

Otherwise, how would a weights/cardio session differ from a triathlon (swim/bike/run) ? I don't see people chugging down calories at the transition of a sprint triathlon (short times/ distances), and none of them seem to turn catabolic...

Doing weights before cardio means that muscle energy stores are depleted moving iron, when it is needed most. Doing cardio first means you're trying to hit reps with depleted muscles, and that won't deliver results.

[Kalidane]

Is there some hidden complexity to this??

Train with weights

then

Do n minutes of cardio

then

Eat stuff to restore glycogen, repair damaged tissue, and strengthen muscles and other tissues if the workout was sufficiently stressful.

If you don't do the cardio phase then the repair and rebuild period starts earlier by n minutes and you need fewer calories to compensate for the work done. Unless you're preparing for the next Olympics I doubt the impact on your performance will matter at all.

I think the internet is just messing with you bro.

[DrDarkMatter]

hahahahaha, I was just curious about this, not overly fussed. just trying to get you guys take on it. I love doing 30 minutes of cardio after the workout (except leg day) lol lol but I still do it

[DrDarkMatter]

Hmmm - smells like bro-science to me.

The body can't necessarily distinguish calories consumed from strength moves, from calories consumed from cardio (or can it?) - a work-out of duration X is a workout...

So, if someone does a weights workout, followed by cardio, when does the rebuilding begin ? Maybe I'm missing something deep in the metabolic studies...

Otherwise, how would a weights/cardio session differ from a triathlon (swim/bike/run) ? I don't see people chugging down calories at the transition of a sprint triathlon (short times/ distances), and none of them seem to turn catabolic...

Doing weights before cardio means that muscle energy stores are depleted moving iron, when it is needed most. Doing cardio first means you're trying to hit reps with depleted muscles, and that won't deliver results.

my thinking was that you have a limited bucket of resources in your body, so you workout, on days you do not do cardio your body has more resources to put into the muscle regrowth and repair than it would if you did cardio on top of it.

"The body can't necessarily distinguish calories consumed from strength moves, from calories consumed from cardio "

I am NO physio but I thought that cardio was one type of depletion and weight lifting was something else. I could be wrong, but I thought I read that they were very different in how the body coped and used them for resources.

[gringo]

If I do cardio after weights I take bcaa in between. No idea if it makes any difference, but makes me feel better anyway. Prob just being a touch paranoid.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

well from my broscientology degree i'd say it really depends on the type of cardio.

if you're just going slowish pace stuff for reasonably short distance (nothing overly exerting) such as slow incline walk or similar for ~30 mins then should be all good - in fact very helpful to reduce doms (even though it doesn't feel very good after legs day it helps, along with a good stretch down at the end)

if you're planning on going and doing some more intense cardio like sports training or what not then better put a gap in between (with good recovery meals) lest you wish to deprive yourself of the opportunity to be able to put in 100% effort in to each task

end of the day, do you even have time to be making multiple trips to the gym for the sake of the possibility of better gains? as gringo said, if you are really worried then grab some BCAAs to help keep up that nitrogen positive status and see how you handle it. if your're suddenly not able to progress as you used to with the weights in the previous weeks then consider increasing carb intake

[tii]

Sounds really catabolic

[DrDarkMatter]

Thanks Ron...