Test Freak and Anabolic Freak experiment

[narcosis73]

After researching these two products and their claims I have deciced to run my own study to see if these products do as they say.

Now before I get into my rant I do realize that results will differ from person to person and that diet and training will also play an important part in this study, also I do understand that my final outcome will not be a base result for everyone.

So here we go, last week was up the Docs getting a check up and mentioned that I was looking at these products and their claims (Test Freak can increase free test by up to 331% and increase total test by up to 469%, Anabolic Freak will increase test and LH levels after 12 days) he jumped on board straight away and sent me to get bloods taken and tested for test levels so as to have base levels at start of this study.

Started today and will run this stack along with Con-Cret and protien for three Anabolic cycles 12 days on, 3 days off, then repeat, once these 3 cycles are complete I will go back and get bloods tested again, the Test, Con-Cret and protien do not cycle off however I will run the Test for 8 weeks then have 2 weeks off they start again.

Will post up measurements and photos and general info at completion, my also touch base from time to time for updates.

inb4 cheeky twats, I know these products will not give gains like the AAS, this is a product study and thats it, end of story :wink:

[Swole-Patrol]

Really interested to see your blood results in a few weeks to see if/how much your test levels change.

Also, if you dont mind me asking, how old are you?

[narcosis73]

Really interested to see your blood results in a few weeks to see if/how much your test levels change.

Also, if you dont mind me asking, how old are you?

Yeah Swole, will be interesting to see results, those of you who are thinking of buying these products will have to wait till mid next month at the earliest.

How old you ask, I like to think of it this way, I'm 39 yrs young :pfft:

[drizzt]

Awesome bro, great that you're taking time to assess these products, look forward to your results :nod:

[Pseudonym]

Agreed. I love reviews like these. :nod:

[eatliftrest]

Will be interesting for sure. Tried a similar thing myself a while back:

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[FellowshipOfTheRon]

thanks man, appreciate stuff like this (inb4 you're sponsored by the supp company :pfft: )

also are you supplementing fish oils? what kind of diet do you have? is it a pretty tight one or do you run the IIFYM style?

[crazyfacials]

awesome stuff bro, any chance of getting raw figures too of what your test levels were before and after?

[narcosis73]

thanks man, appreciate stuff like this (inb4 you're sponsored by the supp company :pfft: )

also are you supplementing fish oils? what kind of diet do you have? is it a pretty tight one or do you run the IIFYM style?

Bloody good questions there, firstly I'm not supplementing with fish oils, the only omega 3 I consume comes from the cans of tuna or salmon I eat through out the day, which leads into question two, my current diet. When it comes to BB and diet I by no means have what you would call a clean diet, but I would also say its not a junk diet, oats and protien shake every morning, brown rice with chicken or tuna or salmon mid morning, meal replacement shake between that meal and lunch, lunch is the same as mid morning meal with an apple and/or a banana, second meal replacement shake between lunch and workout, post workout protein shake with some scambled eggs or bowl of oats, I have no controll over my dinner, if I was to question what was been served or try to make a special request I would no doubt end up wearing it.

I do cheat from time to time but try to keep away from the fast food chains opting to go see subway instead. So there you have it, snapshot of my current diet, sure theres a couple holes here and there and yes I know I havent added what I eat on weekends, alittle harder to control things on the weekends when out and about with the kids but still avoid junk even when at MacD's with them. :wink:

[narcosis73]

awesome stuff bro, any chance of getting raw figures too of what your test levels were before and after?

Yeah mate, will be touching base with doc tomorrow to see if blood results are back in yet, once I have them I'll post them up, as for after results, I will be doing bloods after 3 anabolic freak cycles, 12 days on 3 days off then repeat, so a little bit longer to wait for final out come, will keep you posted.

[narcosis73]

Got results back today from doc, had only tested for test only as follows,

Testoserone: 12.4nmol/L (8.0 - 29.0).

Is there anything else I should have tested for, only 3 days in to this study so still time to check for other things, just let me know and I'll run back down to Labtest.

Cheers all.

[cezare]

wouldve been good to check free test, estrogen, LH (leutinising hormone) and SHBG. Very interesting post/ experiment will be keen to see what effect the products have. Nice work. Oh and to try and make it a more fair and accurate test get levels checked at a similar time of the day

[narcosis73]

wouldve been good to check free test, estrogen, LH (leutinising hormone) and SHBG. Very interesting post/ experiment will be keen to see what effect the products have. Nice work. Oh and to try and make it a more fair and accurate test get levels checked at a similar time of the day

Cheers cezare, will stop in lab test again and get them to do another test for the above mentioned, hopefully this will still be a fair indicator as I'm 3 days in, should be.

As for time of day, first bloods done round 3pm, does it really matter about time of day? will get 2nd bloods done at same time for arguments sake to try and delete that side of things.

cheers again.

[cezare]

apparently test levels are naturally higher in the morn

[In_Flames]

Will follow this thread! Full of exciting stuff

[Ninja]

Got results back today from doc, had only tested for test only as follows,

Testoserone: 12.4nmol/L (8.0 - 29.0).

Is there anything else I should have tested for, only 3 days in to this study so still time to check for other things, just let me know and I'll run back down to Labtest.

Cheers all.

How much for lab tests? I am pretty keen to get these done myself

[Ash]

I'll be following this thread with interest, seeing as I've gone through more or less the same thing. I get my test levels checked up at least once a year as part of a general health check and they've fluctuated from a low of 8.3nmol/L back in 2005 to a high of 29.6nmol/L earlier this year (not bad for 42 years old ).

In my experience, a high-quality Tribulus based formula can make a noticeable difference (the cheap stuff does nothing) but the biggest change in my levels happened after I spent about 10 months traveling last year - zero stress, good sleep, great food, loads of walking around and just being generally chilled out had me feeling better than I did at 17 - my strength was way up and my libido was sky-high.

I've been back to the daily grind since February and my test levels had dropped to 20ish by June, which is where they were when I left. Just shows what the day to day stresses do to our bodies even if we're not aware of it...

What's the moral of the story? I reckon you need to win Lotto, stop working, lie on the beach, eat like a king and train like a wild man - watch your test levels go through the roof (that's my plan - not working out all that well so far - no Lotto win yet)

Failing that - I'll keep at the Tribulus and try to relax.

Waiting to see how you go mate.

[narcosis73]

Got results back today from doc, had only tested for test only as follows,

Testoserone: 12.4nmol/L (8.0 - 29.0).

Is there anything else I should have tested for, only 3 days in to this study so still time to check for other things, just let me know and I'll run back down to Labtest.

Cheers all.

How much for lab tests? I am pretty keen to get these done myself

Rang them last week, self referral for testing of test levels is approx $24 and $8 each for add ons such as LH and SHBG.

[vracula]

interdasting!

[narcosis73]

Final day of Anabolic freak first 12 day cycle tomorrow then off for first set of bloods on Thursday.

One thing that stands out for me so far is recovery, workouts have been real intense with PB's getting hit on almost all exercises, not sure if I can reward these to the Pharma Freak but the recovery I think I can.

Was just thinking, because I only had bloods tested for test at start should I wait till I start the next cycle of Anabloic freak and get LH, SHBG, free test and total test done.

Will be starting the Anabolic freak again on Monday but am still running the Test freak for another 6 weeks.

All feed back welcome.

[drizzt]

If the option is there to do further tests, and it doesn't put you out at all, I can't see how it would be a bad thing. I say go for it :nod:

[crazyfacials]

as a follow natty can I ask how you feeling in terms of strength/gains/muscle hardness/ anything you might think is a placebo (ie some dudes thinking they get extreme aggression on OTC test boosters when reading the bb.com forum) thinking of bringing some bioforge when I go over to the states in Dec/Jan

[narcosis73]

as a follow natty can I ask how you feeling in terms of strength/gains/muscle hardness/ anything you might think is a placebo (ie some dudes thinking they get extreme aggression on OTC test boosters when reading the bb.com forum) thinking of bringing some bioforge when I go over to the states in Dec/Jan

Firstly, some dudes state they get extreme aggression, hmmm havent noticed any increase in aggression but focus and concentration, hell yeah, when I'm in the gym it's like I'm a horse with blinkers on.

Strenght and gains have increased over the past couple months but in the last week have really felt good and have hit the PBs mention in previous post, this could be put down to the Pharma freak products.

So current supps are Pharma freak test and anabolic freak, Promrea con-cret, Balance beta alanine and Mutant mass.

[narcosis73]

Got results back from Doc yesterday, he informed me that they did not test for LH or SHBG, they only do this if test levels are low, piss me off a little as I had ask for these to be done as part of this study, bloody Lab test.

Anyway results are 17.1nmol/L, previous test came back at 12.4nmol/L (8.0 - 29.0), so thats an increase on 4.7 from the first 12 days, not a huge increase, but an increase none the less.

Will be interesting to see if this level increases again after the next 12 day cycle which starts tomorrow.

[Swole-Patrol]

Great to see you following up on your post mate!

Also glad to see there was an increase in your test levels, I am interested to see how your next cycle goes too. I wonder how well it would work for us younger guys (I'm 23). I may try this in a month or two, and also post my blood results, to see how effective it is