Thoughts on Zyzz

[Terrymundo]

would expect stimulants before steroids with this zyzz guy. ever tried clen? not exactly something I'd imagine using with a heart condition. Throw in fuckin sauna and yo shits is fukt.

do we even know if he was on gear or whatever?

[AZIDE]

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[FellowshipOfTheRon]

always disappoints me when young people look up to this guy. didn't put alot of my time researching this doucheberry but what I've seen is enough for me to judge the shit outta him. physique>average attitude>terrible. didn't he have a heart condition? not sure but im assuming some sort chemical assistance was in play. enhanced with a pre-existing heart condition? not sure if thats what the tots should look up to. dude is dead and im sure his chosen lifestyle helped.

not that any IFBB pros are much better :pfft:

Gear doesn't make you any worse medically. In fact it would make you better.

Example A. Both Mentzer brothers died for heart attacks at roughly the same age. Everyone points to steroids because they were on it. They don't look at the fact that they died around the same age and that they were related so it could be hereditary; no... it must have been the steroids.

Also, although I think it was all the party drugs that contributed to his death; TLG, please prove that he wasn't on gear. Sure, he had an average physique that's completely achievable naturally, but we see that around all that time.

May be so but plenty of these young people who hop on do not conduct enough research and out of 'need' to get bigger, faster work with dangerous compounds far beyond recommended dosages.

Azyzz has an old account on a popular steroid discussion forum where he was posting up his progress pics/vids, discussing cycles etc. Probably the most problematic thing in his case was his use of DNP even though it was said to be too dangerous for people already on very low bf%. Ofcourse he ignored warnings and continued anyway.

"Im 21. im already lean, but want to see how far DNP can take me. the possibilities and limits of my body will always fascinate me." ... well it got him what he wanted, RIPped.

He can be good inspiration to a lot of people but it would be nice if they also learnt from the mistakes which led to his demise and not get caught up in all the haste.

[Chemo]

always disappoints me when young people look up to this guy. didn't put alot of my time researching this doucheberry but what I've seen is enough for me to judge the shit outta him. physique>average attitude>terrible. didn't he have a heart condition? not sure but im assuming some sort chemical assistance was in play. enhanced with a pre-existing heart condition? not sure if thats what the tots should look up to. dude is dead and im sure his chosen lifestyle helped.

not that any IFBB pros are much better :pfft:

Gear doesn't make you any worse medically. In fact it would make you better.

Example A. Both Mentzer brothers died for heart attacks at roughly the same age. Everyone points to steroids because they were on it. They don't look at the fact that they died around the same age and that they were related so it could be hereditary; no... it must have been the steroids.

Also, although I think it was all the party drugs that contributed to his death; TLG, please prove that he wasn't on gear. Sure, he had an average physique that's completely achievable naturally, but we see that around all that time.

May be so but plenty of these young people who hop on do not conduct enough research and out of 'need' to get bigger, faster work with dangerous compounds far beyond recommended dosages.

Azyzz has an old account on a popular steroid discussion forum where he was posting up his progress pics/vids, discussing cycles etc. Probably the most problematic thing in his case was his use of DNP even though it was said to be too dangerous for people already on very low bf%. Ofcourse he ignored warnings and continued anyway.

"Im 21. im already lean, but want to see how far DNP can take me. the possibilities and limits of my body will always fascinate me." ... well it got him what he wanted, RIPped.

He can be good inspiration to a lot of people but it would be nice if they also learnt from the mistakes which led to his demise and not get caught up in all the haste.

So thats how he died? Interesting, makes sense too. DNP in a sauna, on top of a heart condition too. :S RIP

He was an inspirational dude for sure, and cant deny he had a good physique. I didn't really follow a lot of what he did but it seems his attitude was somewhat poisonous, his trolling and so on, going on bb.com you can pick up on the zyzz fans.

I don't know if that's a good thing or not, but I hope the generation he inspires realises that zyzz was a show, and grows with some responsibility and respect.

I hope they believe he is natty too... lol

I did like thestart of this though. Very inspirational.

[Hitro]

Heard this guy didnt beleive in cardio......and then died from a heart attack??

[dmcb]

always disappoints me when young people look up to this guy. didn't put alot of my time researching this doucheberry but what I've seen is enough for me to judge the shit outta him. physique>average attitude>terrible. didn't he have a heart condition? not sure but im assuming some sort chemical assistance was in play. enhanced with a pre-existing heart condition? not sure if thats what the tots should look up to. dude is dead and im sure his chosen lifestyle helped.

not that any IFBB pros are much better :pfft:

Gear doesn't make you any worse medically. In fact it would make you better.

Example A. Both Mentzer brothers died for heart attacks at roughly the same age. Everyone points to steroids because they were on it. They don't look at the fact that they died around the same age and that they were related so it could be hereditary; no... it must have been the steroids.

Also, although I think it was all the party drugs that contributed to his death; TLG, please prove that he wasn't on gear. Sure, he had an average physique that's completely achievable naturally, but we see that around all that time.

Holy shit :doh:

Part time troll, right?

[tomleegolf]

":3ft7l89r]

Gear doesn't make you any worse medically. In fact it would make you better.

Example A. Both Mentzer brothers died for heart attacks at roughly the same age. Everyone points to steroids because they were on it. They don't look at the fact that they died around the same age and that they were related so it could be hereditary; no... it must have been the steroids.

Also, although I think it was all the party drugs that contributed to his death; TLG, please prove that he wasn't on gear. Sure, he had an average physique that's completely achievable naturally, but we see that around all that time.

dolan pls...

Gooby pls

[Wyldfyre]

[Shutupandsquat]

First line was half troll half srs. The rest was pretty much srs.

If you take it at a young age, yeah, gear would effect you negatively, but at a mature enough age, I don't get how it would be that negative? You get more muscular, you feel better about yourself etc. Mentally, you're good, physically you're better. I'd like to debate about this without everyone being a douche bag.

If you're gonna call me wrong, at least give me something sufficient instead of saying I'm a troll and not shedding any light on the topic.

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[Pseudonym]

":ry6j8er6]pls

Not your most compelling argument, mate. I don't totally agree with SUAS, but as he says, at least give him a useful reply.

Having said that, it's a bit off-topic for this thread. SUAS, if you really want the debate, why not start a new topic in the Steroid forum?

[vracula]

Zyzz? yeah I know him, that Vracula guy from here told me in person that he sometimes cries himself to sleep when he thinks about him (true story)

not true ..I fap myself to sleep.

[vracula]

zyzz gve birth to a bunch of knob jockeys that infest the gym with their ridiculous hairstyles and addiction to the benchpress and bicep curls.Morons!fckin grade A fckin morons.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

First line was half troll half srs. The rest was pretty much srs.

If you take it at a young age, yeah, gear would effect you negatively, but at a mature enough age, I don't get how it would be that negative? You get more muscular, you feel better about yourself etc. Mentally, you're good, physically you're better. I'd like to debate about this without everyone being a douche bag.

If you're gonna call me wrong, at least give me something sufficient instead of saying I'm a troll and not shedding any light on the topic.

that's cool man you're right, bravo!

....now if only it had anything to do with this topic :pfft:

[Luigi]

":p2psqszz]kind of funny how upset/mad some people get about zyzz...seemed like a nice enough guy, had a good physique (low bf%,wasnt small), was making money off his 'zyzz' persona and more importantly was living YOLO lifestyle

YOLO Brah. YOLO

Sure, he had an average physique that's completely achievable naturally, but we see that around all that time.

Im never sure if your posts are trolling or your actually just stupid. Yes we all know your huge and no-one can pose as well as you and wank wank wank but to say he had an average physique that you see around all the time ? what a load of shit.

Have never seen anyone close to that physique in nz as most people with size tend to be on gear which usually gives them a thicker/ less aesthetic look. Oh and "prove me wrong"

Not debating the bit about if its achievable natty.

[Rxx]

YOLO? How many times did you think you were going to live before you figured out that acronym? :roll:

Think you'll find everyone lives the "YOLO Lifestyle" because we have no other option!

[Shutupandsquat]

":3g7tmon8]kind of funny how upset/mad some people get about zyzz...seemed like a nice enough guy, had a good physique (low bf%,wasnt small), was making money off his 'zyzz' persona and more importantly was living YOLO lifestyle

YOLO Brah. YOLO

Sure, he had an average physique that's completely achievable naturally, but we see that around all that time.

Im never sure if your posts are trolling or your actually just stupid. Yes we all know your huge and no-one can pose as well as you and wank wank wank but to say he had an average physique that you see around all the time ? what a load of shit.

Have never seen anyone close to that physique in nz as most people with size tend to be on gear which usually gives them a thicker/ less aesthetic look. Oh and "prove me wrong"

Not debating the bit about if its achievable natty.

Never stated anything about myself, but thanks man, means a lot to hear it from you.

It is achievable natty. Ignore your lower body, train it maybe once or twice a month and there you go. Yeahyeah, genetics play a part and blah fuckin blah, but you see a lot of people achieve better than that naturally.

I never gave a time frame though, I just said it's easily achievable natty. That could mean achieved by the time you're 28.

Looks like you need to lay off the lifting, the testosterone levels are getting to your head a bit, angry one.

Edit: Just addressing something for people to discuss, so no need for everyone to be an asshole.

[Luigi]

Looks like you need to lay off the lifting, the testosterone levels are getting to your head a bit, angry one.

Edit: Just addressing something for people to discuss, so no need for everyone to be an asshole.

sorry on a few grams of gear atm will try cool down a bit before i post haha

[karm015]

always disappoints me when young people look up to this guy. didn't put alot of my time researching this doucheberry but what I've seen is enough for me to judge the shit outta him. physique>average attitude>terrible. didn't he have a heart condition? not sure but im assuming some sort chemical assistance was in play. enhanced with a pre-existing heart condition? not sure if thats what the tots should look up to. dude is dead and im sure his chosen lifestyle helped.

not that any IFBB pros are much better :pfft:

Gear doesn't make you any worse medically. In fact it would make you better.

Example A. Both Mentzer brothers died for heart attacks at roughly the same age. Everyone points to steroids because they were on it. They don't look at the fact that they died around the same age and that they were related so it could be hereditary; no... it must have been the steroids.

Also, although I think it was all the party drugs that contributed to his death; TLG, please prove that he wasn't on gear. Sure, he had an average physique that's completely achievable naturally, but we see that around all that time.

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no doubt you set high standards for yourself if you call that "average", but if you take a look around you'll realize his physique was far from average. he looked really good!

nothing wrong with admitting that. not to make this personal (too much of that on nzbb atm), but is it fair for you to call him average if you don't look as good/better? ignoring different goals, natty vs enhanced, etc. its just this is the second time you've called someone average, and their physique perfectly achievable natty, when they deserve a little more credit than that

lol and unless you have experience with gear or have some proof of it making you "better" (and maybe an explanation as to what "better" is) then that isn't really a compelling argument either

[Shutupandsquat]

I admit, it was wrong of me to say it was average. Yeah, he had a good physique, but I, personally, don't think it was as great as everyone made out to be. Yeah, he had cuts in his legs, but that doesn't change that they were still twigs.

But that's a reason why, to me, it's average at the same time. He may not have done it, but you ignore your legs and just focus on your upper body, it's bound to get to that extent. And it may not be 'easily' achievable for EVERYONE. But I think for a good population of people who are dedicated to it, and want to go further, then it would (well should) be easy for them.

No, I'm not saying my physique is better than Zyzz's or Tom's. Not at this current point. But I aspire towards bodybuilding, whereas they (not sure if this is the case for Tom, so correct me if I'm wrong) don't compete and just work(ed) out and took gear to look good.

I can't prove that gear is good for you, but I can't prove that it isn't. Like, I said with the Mentzers; everyone says it's because they were hard on gear, but why couldn't it have been hereditary? Same thing for Zyzz, I guess.

At the end of the day, he achieved what he wanted to, whether I approve of it or not. And he wouldn't have given a f*ck what I say, just like everyone else who didn't agree with what he was doing. He inspired other young kids, and some of them even work legs, so I guess it wasn't all bad, right? /rant

[HarryB]

Might have shed some light on Zyzz if some of you guys had actually seen him in person, decent physique, in great condition but definitely NOT a big guy. Well known around Sydney as being a clown and prankster but generally a decent style of a bloke. Loads of gear, heaps of trolling and pisstaking and yep happy try everything and anything. Recreational and ergogenic. I would say it's more that attitude that a lot of older guys or guys who take themselves and bodybuilding and drug use more seriously take to task. Each to their own and his brother and he were turning out whey protein called Protein of the gods or something. Oh yeah and selling heaps of steroids and recreationals. Quite the role model really and I can see why guys would look up to him... ok being sarcastic but hey to each their own. No different from guys we all know just Zyzz had a lot more profile than most.

Why did he die in a sauna in Thailand? Who knows but it sure is a sad sad way to go. Kudos to the guy for getting some recognition and well if he motivated people good on him. He had an agenda and he was achieving it. Sad end to an actually decent bloke. In person he was a respectful hard training guy, online different altogether from reality.

[Mcmass]

I can't prove that gear is good for you, but I can't prove that it isn't. Like, I said with the Mentzers; everyone says it's because they were hard on gear, but why couldn't it have been hereditary? Same thing for Zyzz, I guess.

Ive never heard someone saying that medically gear is "good" for you, In fact it would be pretty easy to prove that it wasn't.

Now you could say anything is good or bad for you depending on the person and how much of it and for how long they take it.

Where does the idea that gear is medically good for you come from Kyle?

Is this based on people that take them for wasting diseases like HIV?

[HarryB]

I can't prove that gear is good for you, but I can't prove that it isn't. Like, I said with the Mentzers; everyone says it's because they were hard on gear, but why couldn't it have been hereditary? Same thing for Zyzz, I guess.

Ive never heard someone saying that medically gear is "good" for you, In fact it would be pretty easy to prove that it wasn't.

Now you could say anything is good or bad for you depending on the person and how much of it and for how long they take it.

Where does the idea that gear is medically good for you come from Kyle?

Is this based on people that take them for wasting diseases like HIV?

Actually Glen LOL I think he qualified his statement by saying maybe older guys, in which case there is plenty of evidence supporting steroids being useful and increasing health in older folk like myself. No wonder I feel so youthful.

Is it so easy to prove it's bad for you though? And if so I wanna see a graph and supporting documentation. Not anecdotal evidence and horror stories!!!

[Mcmass]

Oh did he, my bad then. Im aware it can be helpful for guys as we age.

I wasn't trying to paint a negative picture on gear, just more balanced than saying that they are good medically.

Well Im sure most of us are going to know ways to check health while using something. Blood work comes to mind as one of the easier ways.

The reason I followed saying what I did on gear with anything can be harmful if to much and/or for to long then there may be some kind of health problem. Then again there may not be.

Definitely wasn't trying to tell horror stories

[Riccardo]

I think most people are aware of the potential health risks of gear usage especially to their cardiovascular system and there are heaps of studies out there documenting that there is a strong link between gear use and CV disease. The medically beneficial side of gear that SUAS was referring to lies in hormone REPLACEMENT not adding supra-physiological dosages for performance enhancement.

Having said that, all medication has side effects and not everyone who takes gear will develop cardiovascular problems, particularly if that person is responsible. It's my own opinion however that it's the polypharmacy that occurs along side gear use which causes the most damage, particularly the use of stimulants (like clen), amphetamines, sleeping aids, pain killers etc etc.