Oceanias this year - RAW!

[EESSSPEEE]

Would this be a Ploy/tactic perhaps to get IPF/raw to be recognized later down the track as a possible event on the Olympic stage?

I'm just thinking way out there lol

I've heard this too. Its a nice dream :grin:

definitely not a ploy- its more of an unfortunate situation created by poor planning. Its obviously not about making money as the event will run at a substantial loss, which will be covered by PA.

[Viking Power]

Would this be a Ploy/tactic perhaps to get IPF/raw to be recognized later down the track as a possible event on the Olympic stage?

I'm just thinking way out there lol

I've heard this too. Its a nice dream :grin:

definitely not a ploy- its more of an unfortunate situation created by poor planning. Its obviously not about making money as the event will run at a substantial loss, which will be covered by PA.

Thats a shame SP..... anyway on the flip side good to see you on here big guy and well done with your lastest comp very impressive bud. :clap:

[steak]

rumour has it it will be in 2 parts now.

2nd part in march or april.

feel sorry for the sponsors and lifters. I guess though now you could compete at both and equipped?

what a shambles :roll:

[bar-belle]

an unfortunate situation created by poor planning. Its obviously not about making money as the event will run at a substantial loss, which will be covered by PA.

That's a bugger! So if it is true that the comp will now be run in two parts, the next being in March 2013 how will that affect Oceanias being held in Auckland 2013 (if at all)?

[Big john]

[hjp]

I just don't understand what the problem with running raw and equipped together is? All of a weight class would still compete together (takes no longer) just a lifter declares either raw or equipped which appears on the score sheet. Works fine at the BBro? :?

[BeastBuilder]

I just don't understand what the problem with running raw and equipped together is? All of a weight class would still compete together (takes no longer) just a lifter declares either raw or equipped which appears on the score sheet. Works fine at the BBro? :?

I have thought about this sort of system since I took an interest in Raw lifting, at the gear check at Canterbury Champs I just told the guy I was doing it Raw and showed him my knee sleeves, belt etc and all the referees noticed I was Raw when I stepped up to the platform so why a simple word such as Raw can't be written on the score sheet is beyond me..

[EESSSPEEE]

I just don't understand what the problem with running raw and equipped together is? All of a weight class would still compete together (takes no longer) just a lifter declares either raw or equipped which appears on the score sheet. Works fine at the BBro? :?

the only problem with running them together in this instance is that they only have a venue for 2 days. In 2 days the max they can get through is about 100-140 lifters. So its just a logistical issue- they cannot accommodate everyone.

USAPL and North America do now run equipped and raw together. They are run as separate events. Here we are forced into separate events. There is no plan or strategy at work behind this.

[EESSSPEEE]

an unfortunate situation created by poor planning. Its obviously not about making money as the event will run at a substantial loss, which will be covered by PA.

That's a bugger! So if it is true that the comp will now be run in two parts, the next being in March 2013 how will that affect Oceanias being held in Auckland 2013 (if at all)?

Auckland 2013 is Commonwealths not oceanias.

That is scheduled as raw and equipped.

[tinytraps]

an unfortunate situation created by poor planning. Its obviously not about making money as the event will run at a substantial loss, which will be covered by PA.

That's a bugger! So if it is true that the comp will now be run in two parts, the next being in March 2013 how will that affect Oceanias being held in Auckland 2013 (if at all)?

Auckland 2013 is Commonwealths not oceanias.

That is scheduled as raw and equipped.

It is advertised on the ipf calendar of events as Oceania/Equipped.

[EESSSPEEE]

yeah my mistake its Commonwealth & Oceania Powerlifting & Bench Press Championships (equipped and unequipped).

That's a bugger! So if it is true that the comp will now be run in two parts, the next being in March 2013 how will that affect Oceanias being held in Auckland 2013 (if at all)?

Auckland 2013 is Commonwealths not oceanias.

That is scheduled as raw and equipped.

It is advertised on the ipf calendar of events as Oceania/Equipped.

[Phedder]

I just don't understand what the problem with running raw and equipped together is? All of a weight class would still compete together (takes no longer) just a lifter declares either raw or equipped which appears on the score sheet. Works fine at the BBro? :?

I have thought about this sort of system since I took an interest in Raw lifting, at the gear check at Canterbury Champs I just told the guy I was doing it Raw and showed him my knee sleeves, belt etc and all the referees noticed I was Raw when I stepped up to the platform so why a simple word such as Raw can't be written on the score sheet is beyond me..

Definitely agree. It appears there's going to be quite a lot of us lifting classic/raw at the equipped nationals, adding a few words can't be that hard. No need to run the classes separately, obviously the raw lifters would be the first few in the group with lighter weights.

[thatwaslight]

Powerlifting Feds seem almost as bad as bbing Feds these days!

[Old Bull]

obviously the raw lifters would be the first few in the group with lighter weights.

Not to sure on that Phedder, CDs got some strong Raw lifters that will give the equipped a good go. And there are possibly a lot of Masters, who will probably go first :pfft:

All of a weight class would still compete together (takes no longer) just a lifter declares either raw or equipped which appears on the score sheet. Works fine at the BBro? :?

I have thought about this sort of system since I took an interest in Raw lifting, at the gear check at Canterbury Champs I just told the guy I was doing it Raw and showed him my knee sleeves, belt etc and all the referees noticed I was Raw when I stepped up to the platform so why a simple word such as Raw can't be written on the score sheet is beyond me..

[Phedder]

obviously the raw lifters would be the first few in the group with lighter weights.

Not to sure on that Phedder, CDs got some strong Raw lifters that will give the equipped a good go. And there are possibly a lot of Masters, who will probably go first :pfft:

Speaking for myself then...I'll be happy to be the first on the platform for the 105 squats and bench :pfft: :oops:

[Old Bull]

obviously the raw lifters would be the first few in the group with lighter weights.

Not to sure on that Phedder, CDs got some strong Raw lifters that will give the equipped a good go. And there are possibly a lot of Masters, who will probably go first :pfft:

Speaking for myself then...I'll be happy to be the first on the platform for the 105 squats and bench :pfft: :oops:

Masters III this year so I might be before all of you :pray: be good to catch up down there.

[BeastBuilder]

obviously the raw lifters would be the first few in the group with lighter weights.

Yea not going to lie, I plan on at least trying to give a few of the equipped boys a bit of a run for their money raw :pfft:

But yea I can imagine it would be kinda hard with people wanting to do raw Squats etc but not Bench or vise versa. Sorry if this is a silly question, I have only been involved management wise in a couple of our club meets and don't know all the logistics etc, but with the gear check at the start when you weigh in and the referee that's there writes down what gear you have and what colour suit etc you have what happens with this ? Do they actually use it to identify lifters and make sure they're actually using the gear they showed at the gear check ? Cos I mean if the referee at gear check writes down that you've shown gear for raw and said you're competing raw then can someone have this list and check that you actually are lifting in what you have said you were going to be using ?

How do other Feds manage this ? Do they have separate raw and equipped comps or have they figured out a system for these kind of things ?

[Old Bull]

Sorry if this is a silly question, I have only been involved management wise in a couple of our club meets and don't know all the logistics etc, but with the gear check at the start when you weigh in and the referee that's there writes down what gear you have and what colour suit etc you have what happens with this ? Do they actually use it to identify lifters and make sure they're actually using the gear they showed at the gear check ? Cos I mean if the referee at gear check writes down that you've shown gear for raw and said you're competing raw then can someone have this list and check that you actually are lifting in what you have said you were going to be using ?

How do other Feds manage this ? Do they have separate raw and equipped comps or have they figured out a system for these kind of things ?

Gear Checks are vital, and the gear check list is available for the Chief Referee and the Technical Control Officer, he is usually the one you meet before you step on to the platform. His job is to make sure you have the right attire approved on. Referees can stop the comp before a lifters starts his lift and check the Gear Check sheet to make the lifter is using what he signed in. There have been times when lifters have swapped shirts or one signs the shirt in but 2 use it. If this is so, and it has happened a few times at our novice comps said lifter is asked to leave the platform.

You can be disqualified for using equipment that you have not checked in.

We split our comps into a Raw Classic section then the Equipped, same gear check time just 2 sheets one for equipped and one for Classic.

[power123]

there is no gear check in raw lifting

[drizzt]

there is no gear check in raw lifting

Really? So they don't check belt, sleeves, wrist wraps, soft suit, underwear, t-shirt, deadlift socks, shoes?

I'd have thought apart from the equipment (bench shirt, squat/deadlift suit, knee wraps), a gear check should still be looking for the same stuff?

Pretty sure they do at CD comps...

[BeastBuilder]

there is no gear check in raw lifting

Along with Drizzt I find this very hard to believe..

Gear Checks are vital, and the gear check list is available for the Chief Referee and the Technical Control Officer, he is usually the one you meet before you step on to the platform. His job is to make sure you have the right attire approved on. Referees can stop the comp before a lifters starts his lift and check the Gear Check sheet to make the lifter is using what he signed in. There have been times when lifters have swapped shirts or one signs the shirt in but 2 use it. If this is so, and it has happened a few times at our novice comps said lifter is asked to leave the platform.

You can be disqualified for using equipment that you have not checked in.

We split our comps into a Raw Classic section then the Equipped, same gear check time just 2 sheets one for equipped and one for Classic.

Guess this proves our point of having gear checks at raw comps :pfft:

Anyway this is what I mean, why can't this be done at all comps, I mean sure the majority of the spectators won't know the difference and they'll all be lifting in the same group etc but that's beside the point.

Until raw lifting takes off in New Zealand and we have separate raw and equipped comps at most levels of competition then would having the two types of lifting distinguishable at the same comp not be the first step towards having more people involved in it ?

Cos I am sure that some new people that want to give it a go are intimidated and don't want to get their asses kicked by having to compete against some guy in a squat suit 3 sizes too small and a bench shirt equally as tight.

I know they have the ability to do one novice comp but that's only one regional comp, what if they want to give the NI/SI a go or even Nationals if they're good enough, they may not meet the requirements to do these as there's only the equipped standards or just plain don't want to get thrashed by someone in a suit.

Edit - Just to not start a shitstorm, I'm definitely not against equipped lifting, I see the amount of work the guys here put into lifting with their gear and it takes a lot of effort and the mastery of the gear takes years.

I just think that we raw lifters put in equally a lot of work and this should be recognized accordingly. Otherwise the fact that people are lifting raw isn't recognized until international level and this isn't really a motivator for newbies to give it a go

[power123]

there was no gear check at the world raws

[Danomyte]

there was no gear check at the world raws

^ this is my understanding of how Raw comps would be run - no gear check, just the technical controller quickly checking your outfit before you walked out to the platform - just like weightlifting.

[drizzt]

there was no gear check at the world raws

^ this is my understanding of how Raw comps would be run - no gear check, just the technical controller quickly checking your outfit before you walked out to the platform - just like weightlifting.

Seriously? That's really interesting :nod: I wouldn't think you could trust us lifters to not take a few "liberties" with gear not being checked :shifty:

But look forward to seeing how it runs at an event either way.

[Danomyte]

there was no gear check at the world raws

^ this is my understanding of how Raw comps would be run - no gear check, just the technical controller quickly checking your outfit before you walked out to the platform - just like weightlifting.

Seriously? That's really interesting :nod: I wouldn't think you could trust us lifters to not take a few "liberties" with gear not being checked :shifty:

But look forward to seeing how it runs at an event either way.

I hope there's no gear check, just so I can wear my Triple ply skins and 2 rolls of kinesio tape on my back \:D/

Srs though, my understanding is that raw comps would be run with no gear check, but it doesn't stop comp organisers from doing one. We had one done at the Pacific Games - a few of the guys had gear denied - mainly inappropriate t-shirts due to logos.