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Oceanias this year - RAW!

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Soooo if its a logistics issue ie there isnt enough time or venue space etc and if its about wanting to make more money from the growing raw trendites then youd be concerned about next year in NZ then.

With commonwealths AND Oceanias up in Auckland in December next year and NZ small budget there could be a similar logistic and financial struggle to run it. Auckland PL has no money anyway. A 2 minute google shows that.

Its a big kick in the guts for equipped lifting that the IPF has been promoting for many many years if this Raw only idea goes ahead.

What is Wilks thinking....

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Don't panic everyone. A decision hasn't been made yet, so there is still an opportunity that raw and equipped will be on at the Oceania's.

Also, it it does go raw, I reckon 6-months is enough time to switch up your training from equipped to raw IMHO.

We only had 1-month notice at the Pacific Games last year, that the comp was going raw from equipped :cry:

Whether the Oceania's are equipped or raw, the strongest lifters who train the smartest will win!

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Don't panic everyone. A decision hasn't been made yet, so there is still an opportunity that raw and equipped will be on at the Oceania's.

Also, it it does go raw, I reckon 6-months is enough time to switch up your training from equipped to raw IMHO.

We only had 1-month notice at the Pacific Games last year, that the comp was going raw from equipped :cry:

Whether the Oceania's are equipped or raw, the strongest lifters who train the smartest will win!

What everyone thinks is not what is happening, assumption is the MOAFUs. This is not a battle between RAW vs Equipped or Auckland vs Sydney, next year has nothing to do with what is happening over there at the moment.

A few people who may points to prove, started things rolling in Australia.

It is what it is.

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I don't think it is so much a "battle between Raw or Equipped" but if you were an equipped lifter and were planning to go to Oceanias to lift and had planned your training/organised accomodation and flights you'd be a tad pissed if it turned out to be a raw only event. The call has already been put out to lifters to advise our local association and let them know who is going...even if it is 6 months out some people are organised. Hopefully there will be an official word soon so that everyone knows where they stand. Just my 2c worth observation :grin:

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I was planning to compete equipped here, and sure, if the result is that they run a raw-only comp, that will dent my plans a bit. Not ideal for my personal goals, thats for sure!

But I'll suck it up, and compete raw instead. I've got a desire to compete at the Oceanias, and I view 6 months as plenty of time to change my plans. Raw or equipped, doesn't matter to me personally, I just want to compete :nod:

I view this (possible) change as no more than an obstacle to be overcome. As Nikoli on PH put it - "the strongest still wins" :huh:

edit - and heck, a couple of pairs of new sleeves for competition purpose is a hell of a lot cheaper than a squat suit and bench shirt :grin:

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I don't think it is so much a "battle between Raw or Equipped" but if you were an equipped lifter and were planning to go to Oceanias to lift and had planned your training/organised accomodation and flights you'd be a tad pissed if it turned out to be a raw only event. The call has already been put out to lifters to advise our local association and let them know who is going...even if it is 6 months out some people are organised. Hopefully there will be an official word soon so that everyone knows where they stand. Just my 2c worth observation :grin:

Agree BB, there are quiet a few people annoyed, the BBro was to be challenged over in Sydney with approx 12-14 equipped lifters myself included. There are 3 CDPA members who have done just this and booked and of course paid for flights.

The 6 month call was because of what was happening, to get an idea of numbers. Nominations for Internationals are are forwarded just after the Nationals, when most have achieved the Qualifying standard. Team nominations are required 60 days out from the competition date, end of September beginning October and final Team selection supplied to the event organizer is 21 days out.

Hopefully everything will work out in the end. :pray:

EDIT: Pretty sure there will be an official announcement by Monday

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Nominations for Internationals are are forwarded just after the Nationals, when most have achieved the Qualifying standard. Team nominations are required 60 days out from the competition date, end of September beginning October and final Team selection supplied to the event organizer is 21 days out.

Hmm this is interesting..didn't know that was the process. Would this be a similar process for Oceanias/Commonwealths here in Auckland next year?

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Obviously NZPF would want to field the maximum number on NZPF lifters at a home Oceania and combined Commonwealth event. What is this number OB? One for each division/ weight class?

How would you envisage a combined Oceania and Commonwealth event working? All lifters in flights together?

Would NZPF allow a certain amount of lifter for the Os and certain for the Cs?

Could a lifter choose which they wanted to compete in?

I guess there is even the possibility of the Os being raw here and the Cs being equipped?

Its going to cost some serious coin.

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i beleive in international competition a country is allowed a maximum of 12 lifters per age group and 2 people per weightclass per age group. Some one can correct me on this

yes this right the problem is all the masters and youth classes its a time thing if was just open lifters 2 days would be fine

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i beleive in international competition a country is allowed a maximum of 12 lifters per age group and 2 people per weightclass per age group. Some one can correct me on this

Teams are based on one per weight class, Juniors: Men 9, Women 8. Open and Masters: Men 8, Women 7.Maximum 2 per weight class, so would need to not contest a class in order to enter two in another. Top five point scorers for each nation count towards the team tittle.

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Nominations for Internationals are are forwarded just after the Nationals, when most have achieved the Qualifying standard. Team nominations are required 60 days out from the competition date, end of September beginning October and final Team selection supplied to the event organizer is 21 days out.

Hmm this is interesting..didn't know that was the process. Would this be a similar process for Oceanias/Commonwealths here in Auckland next year?

Yes Rach it is the same for all internationals, qualifying is always at the Nationals, unless you are a Junior in which case you can forgo the Nationals. If the International is the Month either side of the Nationals then you are allowed to not compete in it.

Obviously NZPF would want to field the maximum number on NZPF lifters at a home Oceania and combined Commonwealth event. What is this number OB? One for each division/ weight class?

As Alf posted

Teams are based on one per weight class, Juniors: Men 9, Women 8. Open and Masters: Men 8, Women 7.Maximum 2 per weight class, so would need to not contest a class in order to enter two in another. Top five point scorers for each nation count towards the team tittle.

Not many of the lighter weights go so there could be 2 in some of the heavier classes.

How would you envisage a combined Oceania and Commonwealth event working? All lifters in flights together?

It would be a big event, not to sure how APA would run it, but I think it would be over 3-5 days you would expect 120-150 for the Os and probably 80 - 100 for the Cs

Would NZPF allow a certain amount of lifter for the Os and certain for the Cs?

Same team numbers would apply to both

Could a lifter choose which they wanted to compete in?

Long as the achieved the Qualifying standards, the Oceania standard is a lot lower than the Commonwealths which is just below the Worlds 105kg lifter is 635 to the Os and 692.5 to the Cs.

I guess there is even the possibility of the Os being raw here and the Cs being equipped?

That could be one way and a possibility, as the Os should have been the following year 2014.

Its going to cost some serious coin.

I think in the vicinity of 15 to $20,000 maybe more, running two would lower the individual costs of two separates.

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I think in the vicinity of 15 to $20,000 maybe more, running two would lower the individual costs of two separates.

I would think quite a bit more considering the World Masters Bench Press held in Taupo in 2009 cost $29304.99 and that was bench press only!

Bung in a larger venue, possible a few gear purchases, inflation the extra GST etc

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