Sugar!

[anyonehelp?]

So, I was watching 60mins and it was about sugar being addictive and worse than fats. Your thoughts?

Link here:

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/stor ... eet-poison

I personally LOVE sugar more than fat foods.

ready, post!

[Diab0lic]

Sugar is addictive and I believe that has been proven scientifically. Whether or not its worse than fat depends on your definition of worse IMO. Also depends on the rest of your diet and activity levels, etc. Overeating sugar can stuff your insulin sensitivity leading to diabetes and other metabolic issues but overeating of fats comes with way more calories and more pronounced cardiovascular effects.

It would be nice if they just pushed moderation rather than demonising sugar as a whole. They did the same thing to fat in the 80s. So much money in it if you manage to start a new trend or come up with the latest "revelation" that people will deliberately twist and misrepresent the facts.

Chicks on my facebook often talking about how sugar is "toxic" and "evil" lol. I try to ignore it mostly but makes me rage now and then :pfft:

Just look at the language in that article. "Poison, killing, evil, enemy, illicit" lol...

And Robert Lustigs video and studies are full of holes and massively agenda driven.

Meh

[anyonehelp?]

I have noticed over in Aus they have increased the price of energy drinks to try and reduce the amount of students consuming them.

[mrsym0r]

as far as fats go, there's good evidence to show that a diet high in unsaturated fats is good for your cardiovascular system and very little people who disagree with this. A lot of people will tell you that saturated fats are terrible evil things - press them for evidence of this and you'll be suprised at their silence.

It's only been in the last decade or so that people have seriously been studying the ills of diets rich in simple carbohydrate, and so far the evidence seems to be clear - they're not good.

Carbs are still very important though, even if they've been demonised by prominent nutritionists *COUGH* Claire Turnbull *COUGH*

The brain only consumes glucose to run (read: SUGAR), and for the average person it requires 100 grams per day. So don't be hating on carbs too much.

[hhhh1]

I have noticed over in Aus they have increased the price of energy drinks to try and reduce the amount of students consuming them.

lol when did this happen? when i was over there last summer i was buying the sugarfree ones for $1-2 each/500ml. spending $70-80/week on energy drinks a week still lol

[anyonehelp?]

I have noticed over in Aus they have increased the price of energy drinks to try and reduce the amount of students consuming them.

lol when did this happen? when i was over there last summer i was buying the sugarfree ones for $1-2 each/500ml. spending $70-80/week on energy drinks a week still lol

Nah bro they are expensive, I was shocked!

[Deez]

Great subject for debate. Have read a few articles here and there (some good ones on aspartame also).

Found a real good review from Alan Aragon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMc0_s-M08I

Up to you whether you believe what you read/see/follow. Personally I believe Processed sugar is among the worst things you can ever consume. That 60mins segment was interesting and they say the limit for a person to have sugar is 50grams....50grams a day???? WTF??? I don't get anywhere near that and im better off keeping it that way. If you're serious about bodybuilding or being a natural athlete, phuck sugar.

[hhhh1]

The brain only consumes glucose to run (read: SUGAR), and for the average person it requires 100 grams per day. So don't be hating on carbs too much.

complex carbs are broken down to glucose anyway so you dont need sugar really. i just eat lollies/drinking chocolate for my carbs because it tastes good and i cbf going home to eat oats or cook something and bread is sht. always eat protein with simple carbs. maybe the insulin release helps transport a bit of extra protein to the muscles..idk

[Diab0lic]

Personally I believe Processed sugar is among the worst things you can ever consume........ If you're serious about bodybuilding or being a natural athlete, phuck sugar.

How could it possibly be one of the worst things you can consume? Processed sugar is just a fructose molecule joined to a glucose molecule. Once ingested it is just cleaved into those two separately and processed accordingly. There are plenty of other foods and food additives that I'd say are worse for you than table sugar. Also, if simple sugars are consumed alongside protein or fats then they are absorbed more slowly and act almost as complex ones anyway.

Also there's a difference between adding sugar to foods and eating foods that contain simple sugars. The former is mostly entirely unnecessary and the latter is easily controllable with some basic knowledge of nutrition info labels and self control.

And there is definitely a place for consuming simple sugars if you are a serious athlete! More so than for the average person IMO. Yes it isn't completely necessary for bodybuilders but it isn't harmful in any way if done correctly. For other types of athletes it is even more important

[Deez]

Personally I believe Processed sugar is among the worst things you can ever consume........ If you're serious about bodybuilding or being a natural athlete, phuck sugar.

How could it possibly be one of the worst things you can consume? Processed sugar is just a fructose molecule joined to a glucose molecule. Once ingested it is just cleaved into those two separately and processed accordingly. There are plenty of other foods and food additives that I'd say are worse for you than table sugar. Also, if simple sugars are consumed alongside protein or fats then they are absorbed more slowly and act almost as complex ones anyway.

Also there's a difference between adding sugar to foods and eating foods that contain simple sugars. The former is mostly entirely unnecessary and the latter is easily controllable with some basic knowledge of nutrition info labels and self control.

And there is definitely a place for consuming simple sugars if you are a serious athlete! More so than for the average person IMO. Yes it isn't completely necessary for bodybuilders but it isn't harmful in any way if done correctly. For other types of athletes it is even more important

I'm getting visions of the pop tart diet. Appreciate the science bro. Good to know but still doesn't change my mind. I'd rather reach for a protein shake than a bowl of sugar.

IF done correctly?....so when done incorrectly sugar is going to??....how many people do it correctly speaking though?? how many know exactly? that average joe trying to lose weight or the olympic athlete? I eat simple sugar but rarely and low low amounts. If I eat a whole lot every day, I'll feel like shit got smacked up, tossed around and spat out like shit bricks from Mike Tyson. KO'd, hit the mat, wake up...headaches.

High simple sugar on the daily....nope, not part of my plan bro. Can't see it having any positive response.

[Riccardo]

There is nothing inherently wrong with sugar, just like there is nothing wrong with fats its the over consumption of both that is bad for you. Hi amounts of circulating fatty acids cause insulin resistance, couple that with large amounts of carbohydrate in your diet and you are heading for obesity/type II diabetes.

Glycemic index is a concept someone dreamed up without actually knowing the significance of it. All this simple carb vs complex carb debate is a load of crap, your body sees glucose as glucose. What's more important in ensuring good health/insulin sensitivity is the micronutrient/fiber content of those carb sources, what you eat them with and the amount of them you eat. Generally speaking processed carbs have been stripped of their micronutrients/fiber, we eat them by themselves (lollies, coke etc) and we eat large quantities of them (because they taste good). That's what makes them potentially harmful, there is no reason you can't eat simple sugars and still maintain favorable body comp/health. All it takes is a little sensibility and portion control.

[Riccardo]

Personally I believe Processed sugar is among the worst things you can ever consume........ If you're serious about bodybuilding or being a natural athlete, phuck sugar.

How could it possibly be one of the worst things you can consume? Processed sugar is just a fructose molecule joined to a glucose molecule. Once ingested it is just cleaved into those two separately and processed accordingly. There are plenty of other foods and food additives that I'd say are worse for you than table sugar. Also, if simple sugars are consumed alongside protein or fats then they are absorbed more slowly and act almost as complex ones anyway.

Also there's a difference between adding sugar to foods and eating foods that contain simple sugars. The former is mostly entirely unnecessary and the latter is easily controllable with some basic knowledge of nutrition info labels and self control.

And there is definitely a place for consuming simple sugars if you are a serious athlete! More so than for the average person IMO. Yes it isn't completely necessary for bodybuilders but it isn't harmful in any way if done correctly. For other types of athletes it is even more important

I'm getting visions of the pop tart diet. Appreciate the science bro. Good to know but still doesn't change my mind. I'd rather reach for a protein shake than a bowl of sugar.

IF done correctly?....so when done incorrectly sugar is going to??....how many people do it correctly speaking though?? how many know exactly? that average joe trying to lose weight or the olympic athlete? I eat simple sugar but rarely and low low amounts. If I eat a whole lot every day, I'll feel like shit got smacked up, tossed around and spat out like shit bricks from Mike Tyson. KO'd, hit the mat, wake up...headaches.

High simple sugar on the daily....nope, not part of my plan bro. Can't see it having any positive response.

The way the IFYM diet is set up (because thats what we are essentially talking about here) means that it is impossible to eat bowls of sugar for every meal anyway otherwise you won't hit your macros (given that your macro ratios are sensible; i.e. they aren't something like 10p/50c/40f). You eat too many pop tarts in one day and you have spilled over your calorie allowance for carbohydrates and probably fat too. Therefore it doesn't fit in your macros. Therefore don't eat that shit. Have one pop-tart instead of 5.

[Deez]

im not much of a scientist..actually im a broscientist and proud of it so don't understand molecular structures, nor do i care. I normally speak of my own experience, sugar has phucked me in the ass, in the past (no homo?...no hetero? ahh phuck but I can rap) and from what I see around me and what I see is simple processed sugar is rampant and is one of the reasons this country has a massive obesity problem. You mention being sensible and self control, thats fine for someone who is experienced, an athlete, a seasoned gym rat even but that is quite difficult to teach in the average joe. If someone offers me a snickers bar I say no thanks!! now Ive been training for a long time. I know what it takes to diet properly and dedicate and commit to a exercise program. You give that to an average joe and say, look bro its ok, go on this diet to lose weight BUT you can have this amount of sugar because its good for you in small amounts so long as you don't overdo it. 9 times out of 10, they'll take it. The next time they get asked, they'll take it and think its ok. This kind of mentality eventually leads to overeating because sugar is addictive. You can overeat on vegetables and whats that going to do to you? the same thing simple sugar will? fark I highly doubt it.

You can defend sugar because both of you are experienced. You know when to say when, when not too. I would bet you would both be in decent shape (can correct me if you're both fatties...no offence to overweight people btw) so yeah, you can have that difference of opinion. Lets ask an elite athlete what their take is when it comes to simple sugar. I bet you it will be totally different when it comes to the average Joe. Better yet, I'll put this to you both.

Cooked chicken breast

Salad

Brown rice

Donut

Milk shake

Which one do you grab to eat?

Go ask average joe which one he wants.

Remember the daily limit is 50grams of sugar a day. You go ahead and add that crap to your cutting diets. Goodluck, stay safe...phuck sugar.

[hhhh1]

There is no limit of 50g sugar/day...wtf am i reading? I'm not experienced or an elite athlete and I eat way more than 50g sugar/day. More like 200g. And yep I'm cutting atm

[deepmen15]

More like 200g. And yep I'm cutting atm

you are some genetic freak bro :pfft: ......

[hhhh1]

More like 200g. And yep I'm cutting atm

you are some genetic freak bro :pfft: ......

im serious...im pretty much getting my daily carbs from sugar. like i maybe have 250g carbs/day total or much less if i dont buy lollies. maybe 350g protein, <50g fats so thats pretty much a maximum of only 3000Cal