The pro's

[anyonehelp?]

Right, here is a link that talks about what the pro's take.

I think it's underdosed and was having a debate with a mate of mine.

What's YOUR thoughts please,

Thanks

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?163619-STEROID-CYCLE-OF-A-PRO-Mr.-Olympia#.T89RH9XztVN

[denzil]

Right, here is a link that talks about what the pro's take.

I think it's underdosed and was having a debate with a mate of mine.

What's YOUR thoughts please,

Thanks

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?163619-STEROID-CYCLE-OF-A-PRO-Mr.-Olympia#.T89RH9XztVN

i reckon thats bullshit just from reading test doses, under 500mg test a week ugottabkiddin! im pretty sure they get up to that 5gram mark and thats test alone.

[Huskeez]

Right, here is a link that talks about what the pro's take.

I think it's underdosed and was having a debate with a mate of mine.

What's YOUR thoughts please,

Thanks

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?163619-STEROID-CYCLE-OF-A-PRO-Mr.-Olympia#.T89RH9XztVN

Here is the Andreas Munzers supposed last cycle from "Anabolics 2005 by William LLewellyn"

This is the last cycle that Andreas Munzer took before he died:

Weeks 1-10

ephedrine

aspirin

clenbuterol

valium

captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--

cytomel

Weeks 1-5

500mg daily of test enanthate

152mg daily of parabolan

150mg daily of dianabol

150mg daily of halotestin

20 IU daily of HGH

20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8

300mg daily of masteron

152mg daily of parabolan

250mg daily of winstrol tabs

150mg daily of halotestin

50mg daily of winstrol inj

24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10

200mg daily of masteron

100mg daily of winny inj

200mg daily of halotestin

400mg daily of winny tabs

24 IU daily of HGH

Insulin daily

IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show

aldactone, lasix

Cytadren abuse was a theory, but no autopsy was ever performed. This was a new release on his death:

March 1996 Munzer dies at 31.

After departing from a flight that took him from the US back to Germany, popular pro Andreas Munzer went into severe physical distress and died later at a local hospital from almost complete and total organ failure.

Some preliminary reports alleged that Munzer, a known steroid abuser, was taking a drug to thicken his blood (EPO - Erythropietin) in order to appear more vascular on the posing stage. Like blood doping, EPO promotes supercompensation of glycogen in the muscles. Cosmetically this is appealing to bodybuilders because they can appear as full as possible.

Sadly doctors believe that Munzer allowed himself to become too dehydrated in the process of using the drug. The interactions with other drugs he was taking, coupled with the long flight just made it worse. After landing and beginning to drink water again, his blood could not recover fast enough and it caused extensive organ failure.

Early reports that the 31 year old Munzer's stomach exploded were false.

However, total organ failure, particularly congestive heart failure, causes distortion of body proportions and a distended belly.

[musclenz]

Old cycle that was always going to be in question on dose levels. NPP pre contest ...ummmm maybe. This by CC if it is him ....

Humatrope @ 4-6 IU’s every other day

Sustanon @ 1,000-1,500 mg. per week

Masteron @ 100 mg. Every other day.

Winstrol @ 100 mg. Every other day. Introduced a few weeks before the show.

Clenbuterol @ 25 mcg every day

Cytomel @ 50 mcg every day.

I’ve heard so many lies and such online. I’ve heard everything from guys using 20 IU’s of growth a day to guys taking 100 dbol . I’ve heard shit like pros spending $15,000-20,000 on gear just getting ready for one show. A lot of it makes me laugh. Pros do NOT spend that much getting ready for shows or at least don’t need to. I didn’t need to. Sometimes, guys do get crazy on things though... The lesson here; don’t believe everything you hear or read online- Chris Cormier

[HarryB]

I know plenty of guys taking multiple grams of gear with high dose gh who still look shit....

No magic solution.

[Riccardo]

I would say its much less than what some people think, sure there are the few who would be on ridiculous amounts of gear but I'd say most wouldn't take these astronomical amounts that people claim.

I remember Evan Centopani talking about gear and he said that people would ask him what he's taking and that some amateurs were taking much more than he was. He also said that he never heard of some of the things that people were asking him about, he gave NPP as a specific example. Dunno If I believe that 100% but you get the point.

[BIGKIWI]

The top pros take grams of test and high doses as much as it takes to get where they want to go. It is there job if it will make them grow faster without killing them they will do it. I know Chris C personally and have partied with him on a few occasions. Top pros wont tell you what they are on usually but as Musclenz says dont belive everything u read most is crap

[anyonehelp?]

The top pros take grams of test and high doses as much as it takes to get where they want to go. It is there job if it will make them grow faster without killing them they will do it. I know Chris C personally and have partied with him on a few occasions. Top pros wont tell you what they are on usually but as Musclenz says dont belive everything u read most is crap

Thanks for that man, pretty much want I wanted to know !

[severe]

The gear is the least of the communities worries. It is the diuretics, in my opinion.

and then the GH that causes growth in areas like the heart.

Just my lowly 2 cents.

[Riccardo]

The gear is the least of the communities worries. It is the diuretics, in my opinion.

and then the GH that causes growth in areas like the heart.

Just my lowly 2 cents.

This!

Other Rx meds like stimulants, GH, IGF, diuretics, sleeping pills, pain killers are what really fucks things up.

[Sipho-Dyas]

Usual dose rate would be 3-5g but this is done with the support of a decent doctor to monitor any unwanted side effects from mega-dosing

[HarryB]

Usual dose rate would be 3-5g but this is done with the support of a decent doctor to monitor any unwanted side effects from mega-dosing

What a crock, most pros or even amateurs don't want to know what's going on inside. They don't usually know what others guys are doing and keep their cards pretty close to their chests. I guess you must just know a bunch of pros aye SD and they told you? Cmon mate, don't perpetuate the myth.

Most top level athletes are extreme minded but there is no general range, everyone responds differently. Very few guys get monitored, they just wait til they get forced to check up.

We have guys on the forums who take grams of gear and look crap...

Let's just be real for a change and not pretend there's a secret amount that's going to turn a chihuahua into a pitbull.

The problem with that mentality is that it overlooks the importance of nutrition and training. Eat shit train shit and takes heaps of gear and you might still look ok, but next to someone who eats well and trains well... You'll get smoked and he'll do it with a lot less gear.

Rant over. (lazy fuckers!)

[nate225]

The gear is the least of the communities worries. It is the diuretics, in my opinion.

and then the GH that causes growth in areas like the heart.

Just my lowly 2 cents.

This!

Other Rx meds like stimulants, GH, IGF, diuretics, sleeping pills, pain killers are what really fucks things up.

Maybe, agree re: Rx meds, lots of issues with pro's in the 90's.

However HGH comment unsure of, AAS can cause hypertrophy of the cardiac muscle along with the desired skeletal muscle growth. Some say peptides and lower doses of AAS (lets say 2g instead of 4! :pfft:) is a safer methodology than megadoses of AAS. Big Kiwi mentioned this somewhere as well.

[Riccardo]

The gear is the least of the communities worries. It is the diuretics, in my opinion.

and then the GH that causes growth in areas like the heart.

Just my lowly 2 cents.

This!

Other Rx meds like stimulants, GH, IGF, diuretics, sleeping pills, pain killers are what really fucks things up.

Maybe, agree re: Rx meds, lots of issues with pro's in the 90's.

However HGH comment unsure of, AAS can cause hypertrophy of the cardiac muscle along with the desired skeletal muscle growth. Some say peptides and lower doses of AAS (lets say 2g instead of 4! :pfft:) is a safer methodology than megadoses of AAS. Big Kiwi mentioned this somewhere as well.

Yeah thats true, even resistance training causes cardiac hypertrophy, its not necessarily a bad thing, it depends on the context. But I was more think in terms of the metabolic effects of GH/insulin/IGF/etc, throw diabetes into the mix and it complicates things even further.

Agree with Harry, there is a destructive mentality in bodybuilding of more is more; "Im not as big as the other guy coz he takes more gear than me" therefore I gotta take MOAR! This type of thing lol.

[thatwaslight]

but i read on the innhunet that............

:-s :-s :-s :-s

[Android]

Usual dose rate would be 3-5g but this is done with the support of a decent doctor to monitor any unwanted side effects from mega-dosing

What a crock, most pros or even amateurs don't want to know what's going on inside. They don't usually know what others guys are doing and keep their cards pretty close to their chests. I guess you must just know a bunch of pros aye SD and they told you? Cmon mate, don't perpetuate the myth.

Most top level athletes are extreme minded but there is no general range, everyone responds differently. Very few guys get monitored, they just wait til they get forced to check up.

We have guys on the forums who take grams of gear and look crap...

Let's just be real for a change and not pretend there's a secret amount that's going to turn a chihuahua into a pitbull.

The problem with that mentality is that it overlooks the importance of nutrition and training. Eat shit train shit and takes heaps of gear and you might still look ok, but next to someone who eats well and trains well... You'll get smoked and he'll do it with a lot less gear.

Rant over. (lazy fuckers!)

So true....but I didn't think I looked that bad bro

Some NZ Pros/Elite and some judges have 1st hand experiences to share about talking personally with overseas Pros, old-school up to present day.

We take the same compounds as them (maybe not DNP, quality HGH) but I've heard a large variety of amounts from them and their reasoning as well. Some have opposing methods that just outright confuse me.

I think we are lucky to have guys like BIGKIWI who share what they did, that's the level many go to. You can't be Evan Centipdede or wateva and put on farkn near 10kg muscle in one year and care about your health....bollocks

But once u r there (Dexter, Troy Alves) you can cruise on less...so u can't just look at quantity of gear for one person in one given year of their career. Wake up

[thatwaslight]

Usual dose rate would be 3-5g but this is done with the support of a decent doctor to monitor any unwanted side effects from mega-dosing

What a crock, most pros or even amateurs don't want to know what's going on inside. They don't usually know what others guys are doing and keep their cards pretty close to their chests. I guess you must just know a bunch of pros aye SD and they told you? Cmon mate, don't perpetuate the myth.

Most top level athletes are extreme minded but there is no general range, everyone responds differently. Very few guys get monitored, they just wait til they get forced to check up.

We have guys on the forums who take grams of gear and look crap...

Let's just be real for a change and not pretend there's a secret amount that's going to turn a chihuahua into a pitbull.

The problem with that mentality is that it overlooks the importance of nutrition and training. Eat shit train shit and takes heaps of gear and you might still look ok, but next to someone who eats well and trains well... You'll get smoked and he'll do it with a lot less gear.

Rant over. (lazy fuckers!)

So true....but I didn't think I looked that bad bro

Some NZ Pros/Elite and some judges have 1st hand experiences to share about talking personally with overseas Pros, old-school up to present day.

We take the same compounds as them (maybe not DNP, quality HGH) but I've heard a large variety of amounts from them and their reasoning as well. Some have opposing methods that just outright confuse me.

I think we are lucky to have guys like BIGKIWI who share what they did, that's the level many go to. You can't be Evan Centipdede or wateva and put on farkn near 10kg muscle in one year and care about your health....bollocks

But once u r there (Dexter, Troy Alves) you can cruise on less...so u can't just look at quantity of gear for one person in one given year of their career. Wake up

Lmao wow.... THIS.

[Riccardo]

Usual dose rate would be 3-5g but this is done with the support of a decent doctor to monitor any unwanted side effects from mega-dosing

What a crock, most pros or even amateurs don't want to know what's going on inside. They don't usually know what others guys are doing and keep their cards pretty close to their chests. I guess you must just know a bunch of pros aye SD and they told you? Cmon mate, don't perpetuate the myth.

Most top level athletes are extreme minded but there is no general range, everyone responds differently. Very few guys get monitored, they just wait til they get forced to check up.

We have guys on the forums who take grams of gear and look crap...

Let's just be real for a change and not pretend there's a secret amount that's going to turn a chihuahua into a pitbull.

The problem with that mentality is that it overlooks the importance of nutrition and training. Eat shit train shit and takes heaps of gear and you might still look ok, but next to someone who eats well and trains well... You'll get smoked and he'll do it with a lot less gear.

Rant over. (lazy fuckers!)

So true....but I didn't think I looked that bad bro

Some NZ Pros/Elite and some judges have 1st hand experiences to share about talking personally with overseas Pros, old-school up to present day.

We take the same compounds as them (maybe not DNP, quality HGH) but I've heard a large variety of amounts from them and their reasoning as well. Some have opposing methods that just outright confuse me.

I think we are lucky to have guys like BIGKIWI who share what they did, that's the level many go to. You can't be Evan Centipdede or wateva and put on farkn near 10kg muscle in one year and care about your health....bollocks

But once u r there (Dexter, Troy Alves) you can cruise on less...so u can't just look at quantity of gear for one person in one given year of their career. Wake up

Must be on the Animal M stak.