Stay on or lose it

[MullacT]

Just saw a thread on another site and someone was saying that if you go on AAS and have gains, as soon as you go off you will lose them or they'll turn into the wrong kind of gains (Fat). So the only way to go is blast/cruise. Whats your guys thoughts on this? Im sure heaps of you have had successful cycles and PCTs where you've kept most of your gains cause I've seen you saying it in posts.

[severe]

Muscle doesn't convert to fat. Different cells. An apple will never be an orange.

Broscience on that one.

You MAY get fatter if you are still eating more than you burn.

And if you stop training, the body has no use for 'extra' size and will go back to a lesser state. If you stop gear, then it may be more difficult to maintain size due to the reduction in nitrogen sythesis but not impossible.

We only get bigger because of the adaptation to the external stimuli.

[traininsane]

Muscle doesn't convert to fat. Different cells. An apple will never be an orange.

Broscience on that one.

You MAY get fatter if you are still eating more than you burn.

And if you stop training, the body has no use for 'extra' size and will go back to a lesser state. If you stop gear, then it may be more difficult to maintain size due to the reduction in nitrogen, but not impossible.

We only get bigger because of the adaptation to the external stimuli.

your a wealth of knowledge servere, this was also an issue on my mind. well said.

[Sifo-Dyas]

Muscle doesn't convert to fat. Different cells. An apple will never be an orange.

Broscience on that one.

You MAY get fatter if you are still eating more than you burn.

And if you stop training, the body has no use for 'extra' size and will go back to a lesser state. If you stop gear, then it may be more difficult to maintain size due to the reduction in nitrogen sythesis but not impossible.

We only get bigger because of the adaptation to the external stimuli.

Spot on severe :clap:

[MullacT]

Muscle doesn't convert to fat. Different cells. An apple will never be an orange.

Broscience on that one.

You MAY get fatter if you are still eating more than you burn.

And if you stop training, the body has no use for 'extra' size and will go back to a lesser state. If you stop gear, then it may be more difficult to maintain size due to the reduction in nitrogen sythesis but not impossible.

We only get bigger because of the adaptation to the external stimuli.

Cheers bro. Couldn't have asked for a better reply. KUDOS DAT SHEEEET

[soundsgood]

I was under the impression that once you passed your natural genetic potential while using gear, if you came off your body would not be able to hold onto the additional muscle mass and you would start shrinking back down to your natural genetic potential size. So a lot of advanced guys will cruise on a test base allowing them to maintain there gains instead of coming off and having to start again.

I'm not saying it would happen overnight but it would be a noticeable decrease over 12 weeks if you were seriously over your natural genetic potential regardless of your pct.

Thoughts?

[Phedder]

I was under the impression that once you passed your natural genetic potential while using gear, if you came off your body would not be able to hold onto the additional muscle mass and you would start shrinking back down to your natural genetic potential size. So a lot of advanced guys will cruise on a test base allowing them to maintain there gains instead of coming off and having to start again.

I'm not saying it would happen overnight but it would be a noticeable decrease over 12 weeks if you were seriously over your natural genetic potential regardless of your pct.

Thoughts?

Interesting :think:

I suppose the question that needs to be asked, is that does it require the same level of testosterone to maintain the muscle, as it took to gain it?

My mind says no. Surely with a healthy natural level of testosterone, whilst still providing plenty of stimuli through training, a significant amount of muscle could be maintained. I'd say you'd definitely lose some, but probably not back to your natural genetic potential. Totally spit balling here, but it doesn't seem unreasonable in my mind for someone to keep 5-10kgs above their natural limit, dependent on their frame of course, after coming off.

/End broscience and my own thoughts/logic

Surely there's a few guys here who had done a few cycles in the past, and after permanently coming off managed to maintain quite a bit of size? I suppose that would require them having reached their natural limit first for comparison...

[Optimass]

I was under the impression that once you passed your natural genetic potential while using gear, if you came off your body would not be able to hold onto the additional muscle mass and you would start shrinking back down to your natural genetic potential size. So a lot of advanced guys will cruise on a test base allowing them to maintain there gains instead of coming off and having to start again.

I'm not saying it would happen overnight but it would be a noticeable decrease over 12 weeks if you were seriously over your natural genetic potential regardless of your pct.

Thoughts?

Have been 120kgs now for over 5 years (not conditioned but still swole by most standards :grin: )... suspect more due to duration of training (18 years) I have split fibres "hyperplasia". Gear will increase and maintain the size of a fibre but its not proven to split/recruit more fibres.

Based on experience though - the weight/mass gained beyond week 8 - 12 is maintaintained for longer i.e if you put 4 kg from 8 - 12 weeks you tend to maintain it easier.

(Hypertrophy refers to an increase in the size of the cell while hyperplasia refers to an increase in the number of cells or fibers) - its the holy grail of body building IMO,

[musclenz]

Hyperplasia will only result from use of HGH where as AAS will cause muscle hypertrophy when combined with exercise & protein synthesis. Pity it did not cause hyperplasia

[Optimass]

Hyperplasia will only result from use of HGH where as AAS will cause muscle hypertrophy when combined with exercise & protein synthesis. Pity it did not cause hyperplasia

We'd all need two avatars :nod:

[severe]

Hyperplasia will only result from use of HGH where as AAS will cause muscle hypertrophy when combined with exercise & protein synthesis. Pity it did not cause hyperplasia

No sht. :cry: