does any one really know?

[mrgeeky]

yes but I only control it if I can stop it when I want too.. PCT..

I cant help but think if Im take a break once a year or so, then I really am under control.

The idea of having to rely on something for the rest of my life if I dont have to just seems so foreign to me. I cant see it being wise. If I had no choice, then fair enough. But at this stage, I still have a choice.

I think PCT once a year or so would be a wise move on my part.

I think you're looking at it from the wrong angle bro. You should look at it as in you ARE taking control by using TRT. You have naturally low testosterone levels which, as you say, makes you feel like crap and sit on the couch all day. By using a proven and safe method such as physician supervised HRT, you have taken control of the situation and will now feel (and look) better off for it.

It's not mind altering (in the traditional sense anyway), it's not harming you, it's not illegal and it is providing you with both tangible and intangible benefits that far outweigh the risks.

You say the idea of relying on something seems foreign, but you were previously relying on your own physiology to keep your testosterone levels up in an acceptable range which it seems to have failed in doing. You're just restoring balance.

And it is something you can come off if you really wanted or had to, but if you do you will almost certainly feel like crap again, and since you want your test levels to be in the normal range, you will actually be out of control as they won't be. If sitting on the couch eating timtams and tearing up to Jennifer Aniston movies is your thing though then go ahead and "take control"

A good point in here.

If you can't come off today cos you feel like shit, how are you going to come off after being on for a year...PCT doesn't make the "feeling like shit" go completely away. Some is estrogen control and some works to restroe your natty levels. Expect 4-8 weeks of feeling low during your PCT mate.

So if you can't do it today, if you can't stop today and go on PCT, how will you do it in 6mths time?

And eating like crap sometimes...will make you feel like crap which you said in turn makes you eat more crap. I see a pattern forming here :-)

No hate, just observations from afar

hey no worries mate.. observations are good..

Im not afraid of being told Im wrong or an idiot if I am.. I got broad shoulders.. Please feel free and dont hold back.. If Im not seeing things properly here then maybe i need a good wake up..

I thought like if using HCG and Clomid I would be all up and running like normal in a few weeks?

4 to 8? OUCH.. How the hell do you guys get through 8 weeks of feeling like utter shit with out getting fat and losing muscle?

As for a pattern, yep, there is one..

I am quite over weight.

I have tried unsucessfully all my life to get down to my ideal weight and never acheived it.. I have trained my ass off too.. Training in various sports, while running for cardio and pushing weights at the same time with a reasonably clean diet should have been more than enough to do it.. It's been a hell of a struggle.

I only once in my life got close to seeing my abbs and that was on a very strict diet of 4 small meals a day which consisted of clean protien and greens with only one meal that contained carbs like rice or Kumara. And I was taking Decca at the time. I got close to seeing my abbs before impingment kicked in and put me back on the couch again..

I have struggled for a long time with food and being over weight, lethargy and injuries.. Been frustrating as hell.

I refuse to give up though.. Im determined to see my abbs one day.

Everything is working so much better since I have been on the test. Training was easier, gains were much much easier than ever before and thats only on a low level of test. Fat is coming off easier, until a few months back I got bursitis of the shoulder. Ok that didnt stop me from running but a couple of months back while out running my friggen knee started killing me.. grrrrrrr.

Doc recons its Patellofemoral pain syndrome... So Im back on the friggen coucn again.. well not exactly.. squeezing in some cardio on the bike at the gym every second day but thats not doing much for me..

STill I cant moan, plenty off far worse than me and I'll just keep at it till I get it right one of these days.. Probably more info that you guys needed lol but just thought I would share..