Steroids question for those that are knowledgable

[Optimass]

My goal is to raise my test to 1000 ng/dl and keep it there at around that level - avoiding andropause. If it can go a bit higher that's all good.

While preferably being without any health side effects or losing much $$

is that enough to avoid andropause? srs question ...

and how much did you pay for a months supply?

[startinfromscratch]

always make sure you use a 21G needle to shoot your pine pollen, and check for pine needles in the oil. Also stick with known sources of pollen, UG pollen buying is hazardous enough with all the fake pollen being sold to unsuspecting pollen enthusiasts. Im currently designing an extraction process to get pine pollen out of household pine-o-cleen.

[Ninja]

always make sure you use a 21G needle to shoot your pine pollen, and check for pine needles in the oil. Also stick with known sources of pollen, UG pollen buying is hazardous enough with all the fake pollen being sold to unsuspecting pollen enthusiasts. Im currently designing an extraction process to get pine pollen out of household pine-o-cleen.

Be careful mate no talking about your sources :pfft:

[Optimass]

this is pine pollen - not bee pollen

either way I'm struggling with this picture ...

(NaturalNews) Raw pine pollen is the richest seedbed of testosterone derived from plants; since it is the male sperm of pine trees, it fosters plush growth in all living creatures, from trees and plants, to animals, to humans. Some experts claim that pine pollen is an ingredient in certain pharmaceuticals designed to treat low testosterone levels in both men and women.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031867_pine_ ... z1sCavScKT

... you know the odd thing is that "some experts claim that pine pollen is an ingredient in certain pharmaceuticals designed to treat low testosterone levels in both men and women."

if its legit should they be trying to prove that it actually does what they say it does?

most of what I have found has very little substance ...

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I wouldn't waste money ... buy some creatine monohydrate and some whey protein ... it definately works.

[gareththomasnz]

the research like i said is largely in chinese and korean where it has been used for 5000 years

Pine pollen is also a cheaper source of protein than whey powder. Given a choice I would take the pollen over whey & creatine.

Any way if you really are curious you can translate "pine pollen" into chinese and korean

then enter those separately into google scholar

You will have to retranslate the result back into english

I am confident this is a good supplement well worth taking.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... feB74hT8Lw

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... nmHaZbXpzw

[Diab0lic]

the research like i said is largely in chinese and korean where it has been used for 5000 years

Pine pollen is also a cheaper source of protein than whey powder. Given a choice I would take the pollen over whey & creatine.

It would be more like 2000 years not 5000 and how are you going to get a 40g serving of protein out of pine pollen? Sorry but that's a load of crap. Sure it may have more protein by weight but that doesn't mean shit when you're taking a couple of grams of it lol. It's the same crap the bee pollen sellers say. That it's a superfood high in protein ,etc, etc but it's not a food, it's a food supplement...

There is no way that you are going to convince people here that they should ditch their testosterone and whey for pine pollen dude, Im telling you now.

I also do not believe it will "prevent andropause". The only part of your regimen I like so far is the Bacardi 151...

Are you, or someone you know, selling this stuff? Be honest

[train hard]

you would get a bigger test boost watching porn and getting grandma too tickle your nuts

[PeterDolan]

Pine Pollen = CellTech

[severe]

you would get a bigger test boost watching porn and getting grandma too tickle your nuts

This from your own experience? Wow dude, you explore all avenues of boosting natty test. Repped.

So with no credible studies at all except ones that the supplement company making it has done (if you can point me to any genuine please do, i cant find any) you went and bought a powder from overseas (probably china) made from a pine tree? And now your trying to convince a group of AAS users that use products made in a lab and backed by genuine long term studies that they should do the same.

It's called a circular argument. It works cause the sellers say it does. Like the bible and people who quote it as truth, because it says it is.

[holdenman]

Are you gonna do PCT after or just stay on? You might want an AI if your nips get itchy. Keep your temper under control and stay safe bro.

[gareththomasnz]

Ha ha haa You roid F***Rz are insane

But so am I

There are hundreds of asian studies on the stuff dude, and they have a government agency manufacturing & selling it in China.

Its like $10 a kilo over there. Now we can see it has low levels of testosterone, we can see it has moderate levels of a spectrum of androgenic pro hormones. I you are over 40 & natural this is the stuff to take.

Basically it looks safe to use continuously which is what I would like to do.

I will never use the roids as I have been on drugs as a kid and swore off. But I'm going on this tincture with the ingredients I said.

Its legal & safe.

I am sure using this stuff I can get my test up to 1000 ng/dl & keep it there --> thats what I want to achieve

[holdenman]

Comparing steroids to illegal drugs lol.

What's more natural than something that comes from that bag between your legs?

[hhhh1]

get a blood test before youve taken your pollen and then one after youve been on it a few months and post it here. be interesting to see if it actually does anything

[musclenz]

Ha ha haa You roid F***Rz are insane

But so am I

There are hundreds of asian studies on the stuff dude, and they have a government agency manufacturing & selling it in China.

Its like $10 a kilo over there. Now we can see it has low levels of testosterone, we can see it has moderate levels of a spectrum of androgenic pro hormones. I you are over 40 & natural this is the stuff to take.

Basically it looks safe to use continuously which is what I would like to do.

I will never use the roids as I have been on drugs as a kid and swore off. But I'm going on this tincture with the ingredients I said.

Its legal & safe.

I am sure using this stuff I can get my test up to 1000 ng/dl & keep it there --> thats what I want to achieve

Given that the normal range of testosterone is reported as 350- 1200ng/dl (12 - 42 nmol/L) & its not uncommon in older men to have levels around 250 ng/dl (8.7 nmol/L), I think it is somewhat optimistic to expect your can achieve levels of 1000 ng/dl (37 nmol/L) using this product. Have you had your hormones measured recently? Sorry if I have missed this in the posts to date.

[HarryB]

Gareth I'm all about support and working together, I believe in you!

Now as long as your ordering stuff in from China, can I tack some stuff onto your order? Save on shipping and stuff??

[nate225]

Gareth I'm all about support and working together, I believe in you!

Now as long as your ordering stuff in from China, can I tack some stuff onto your order? Save on shipping and stuff??

LOLOLOLOL

I bet you PM'd our new member - it seems he can help you with the jintropin :pfft: :grin:

[gareththomasnz]

get a blood test before youve taken your pollen and then one after youve been on it a few months and post it here. be interesting to see if it actually does anything

yeah man

[Diab0lic]

You roid F***Rz

I will never use the roids as I have been on drugs as a kid and swore off. But I'm going on this tincture with the ingredients I said.

So you won't do "drugs" but you'll take a solvent extract of a plant preparation (what most "drugs" are) that you claim contains the exact same active ingredients and for which you hope will achieve exactly the same result?

Strong logic

Here's a few definitions of the word "drug".

1) A substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function.

2) A chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being.

3) A substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication

4) A substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary

5) A substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body

6) A substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device

7) A substance that has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

You're just preparing your own "drug"...

Anyway, keen to see these blood tests!

[thatwaslight]

You roid F***Rz

You're just preparing your own "drug"...

THIS

[Optimass]

Gareth I'm all about support and working together, I believe in you!

Now as long as your ordering stuff in from China, can I tack some stuff onto your order? Save on shipping and stuff??

LOLOLOLOL

I bet you PM'd our new member - it seems he can help you with the jintropin :pfft: :grin:

Good ol Oscar

[gareththomasnz]

Lets face it

Youse fullas aint dat bright izz youse ?

Duh

The whole point is to raise duz testosterone without becoming a gay balled drug addict

Can youse brain unna stand dat?

Youz dont actually need gay drug balls to raise youse testicular-osculone in olde age

[thatwaslight]

Lets face it

Youse fullas aint dat bright izz youse ?

Duh

The whole point is to raise duz testosterone without becoming a gay balled drug addict

Can youse brain unna stand dat?

Youz dont actually need gay drug balls to raise youse testicular-osculone in olde age

Your arrogance is mind blowing.

[gareththomasnz]

Hmm even the DHEA in Pine Pollen is very fucking low - that sucks

I gotta admit you guys are right that the levels are too low. At best it will simply counter oestrogenic pollutants.

Basically the androgen levels in the pollen will make it OK for long term permanent use but aint gunna be anabolic at all. Theres plenty of other good stuff in there too.

It sucks ass that we cant buy DHEA here in NZ

But I am going to use antler velvet too & that is supposed to also increase testosterone & be androgenic.

I will do some research on that now & get back

http://www.igf1plus.com/does-antler-vel ... in-humans/

http://www.dietfraud.com/Pumping-up/Elk ... study.html

http://www.clearstone-elk.com/research.html

http://www.silveronhealthproducts.com/studies.html

http://www.springerlink.com/content/pv41g0347v41wt27/

You guys helped answer my questions.

I am happy with the ingredients chosen for the tincture - all that remains is blood tests and using the stuff for a couple of months then testing again.

I intend to stay on indefinitely

[Android]

You can stay on indefinitely, cos it won't affect anything.

u r a bit of rude guy tho, noone on here is making stuff up about why your tincture won't increase your t-levels above normal yet u come back with rude remarks just because u disagree.

Poor communication skills, I'd worry about those b4 your Test levels tbh

At best you Test levels are repressed due to stress, age, diet etc and u will regain some of that back. Yay u win :-)

Some would say fix the problem instead but you're too wise for that shit ay cuz

[HarryB]

You can stay on indefinitely, cos it won't affect anything.

u r a bit of rude guy tho, noone on here is making stuff up about why your tincture won't increase your t-levels above normal yet u come back with rude remarks just because u disagree.

Poor communication skills, I'd worry about those b4 your Test levels tbh

At best you Test levels are repressed due to stress, age, diet etc and u will regain some of that back. Yay u win :-)

Some would say fix the problem instead but you're too wise for that shit ay cuz

He was having tincture rage!