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Big john Veteran member

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Cheers BJ. I thought i was on to a good thing there...

You coast barbell guys have it in for me aye :cry:

Lmao nothing like that braj, the only reason i know this is i come from a family of wrestling fanatics.

The World Wildlife Fund, who originated the acronym (initials) WWF and had owned the acronym for many years previously, sued Vince Mc Mahon's World Wrestling Federation corporation, stating that they had broken an agreement reached many years before with Mc Mahon stating that they could share the acronym as long as the World Wrestling Federation did not market their brand to a worldwide audience (other than advertising their live shows in foreign countries). They alleged that Mc Mahon broke the agreement by launching his WWF website, which technically was marketing WWF products worldwide and drawing would-be income (theoretically) from the wildlife fund's website

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Big john Veteran member

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Yeah BJ, I actually new you were right. Im a WWF fanatic from way back aswell.

I know you guys dont have anything against me lol. Was just playing.

But sometimes, you know, us powerlifters get really emotional and have fragile egos

Inb4 WWE/WWF vid thread LOL

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Sooo now that it's pretty much been confirmed that the dude was on gear from his ridiculous statement about some cream his doctor gave him or sum shit....yea back to the point, what do you guys think he ran? I read on another forum that high doses of test prop. Ofcourse they can't run compounds like clen and such..anyways tell me what ya think

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prop daily is best bet, easier to explain (try to) elevated test levels than to try explain and actual chem compound in your system.

Allot of UFC fighters admit too using TRT which is not illegal.

If its WADA testing (not sure if UFC is tho) high Test levels can't be explained away as high natty levels. The T:E ratio is only a 1st test now - they then look at carbon isotopes and can show if it is exogenous or exogenous in origin.

Your methodology has been outdated by science a few years ago now Auckbuilder!

The other tricks of the trade are all but gone - HGH / IGF / Insulin / DHEA all testable now (under WADA) as far as I know. Unsure ig SARM's compounds test have been developed yet but wouldn't be hard to detect as not a natural compound and SARM's have been around a while.

Most likely avenue for sportsmen making huge money is the designer compound that hasn't hit the main stream AAS scene yet - as occurred with 'the clear' and BALCO labs. Need some serious coin to play that game so I can't see it in many sports, probably eaiser / cheaper to bribe the collector to piss in his own cup! :pfft: :grin:

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True that! Yea at the very top level where there is millions of dollars at stake there will always be drugs. always.

Its just corrupt really. tbh who cares, we all know most those UFC guys are juicing with something here or there for sure so just let them do it - lets see the freaks Fight like the Japan PRIDE days.

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I here that HGH And TRT is quite common in NZ top sports too ....

Of course there will always be use. Sportsmen are just another cross section of society and drugs (of all kinds) are rampant in all levels of NZL society - probably more so than many other cultures (have some stats somewhere). Not something I like hearing TBH as a parent.....

TRT & HGH replacement therapy are gaining recognition in NZL, as we follow in the trends set overseas. In many cases it is absolutely valid therapy, akin to Insulin replacement for diabetics or ventolin use for asthmatics perhaps?

However there is no TUE (theraputic use exemption) available for TRT / HGH therapy as there is for the previously mentioned.

I haven't formed an opinion on this really, however I know of one guy who can't compete in PLing as there is only the WADA code abiding NZPF in NZ, and he would not like to see himself labelled as a drug cheat for his prescribed medication.

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http://mmajunkie.com/news/28839/medical ... g-test.mma

Medical Beat: The anatomy of a failed drug test

by Dr. Johnny Benjamin on May 22, 2012 at 7:25 pm ET

All sports – and currently combat sports – have a learning curve when it comes to transitioning to the heightened scrutiny of random independent drug monitoring (including urine and blood).

It may be new to the many fans, athletes and camps of MMA and professional boxing, but Olympic sports, track and field, and international cycling have lived with the potential "knock at the door" for decades.

With any learning curve, rough patches will be encountered, and mistakes will be made. But that shouldn't be an acceptable excuse to delay the inevitable. Sports evolve or perish; so must the athletes and those responsible for them.

Analytical science is not perfect, and it knows that. It's a fact that allows it to evolve and improve. But analytical science is far more precise and accurate than many would like to suggest. The mere fact that it is imperfect allows policies and algorithms to be used that improve its results. Testing that allows detection of parts per trillion (or the rough equivalent of two drops of a banned substance in an Olympic-size swimming pool) isn't perfect, but it's far from junk science.

Simply put: Drug-testing groups/facilities WADA, USADA, VADA and the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory are not perfect, but they are also not the real problem. The true weakness in the system lies with the people who have a direct financial interest: athletes, camps, promoters, sanctioning bodies, medical advisors, strength/conditioning coaches and supplement manufacturers.

Before we run down the list of "no-nos," let's understand a very important principle: strict liability, or more commonly known as "captain of the ship." This means at the end of the day, the athlete is responsible for his or her body and anything and everything that is administered to it. The captain will go down with the ship for any and all reasons.

The more common ways to fail random independent drug monitoring (including urine and blood) in no particular order:

1. By far the most common manner is for an athlete to knowingly take a banned substance.

This should require little explanation.

(The next few examples can be grouped in the subset of "naive and far too trusting of a fighter.")

2. A trainer, nutritionist or strength/conditioning coach provides the banned substance without the knowledge of the athlete.

Camp members are constantly rubbing down the athlete with various creams and ointments, handing them various drinks, and managing their nutrition. Their continued employment is directly related to the performance and ultimate victory of their employer. It is not uncommon for a fighter to clean house after a loss in an attempt to assess blame or re-energize his career.

3. Amazingly poor medical advice is often given to superstar athletes by medical personnel (doctor, nurse, chiropractor or herbalist) – or by those practicing beyond the scope of their expertise and training – to further the relationship.

Just because a doctor is always available, never tells the athlete no, and is "cool as hell," doesn't make him highly competent and suited to work in the heavily scrutinized arena of professional sports.

4. Promoters and sanctioning bodies/commissions can become accomplices.

These entities – by turning a blind eye, getting too cozy or suggesting special wellness doctors, nutritionists, herbalists and the like who are familiar with helping fighters with these types of problems – foster the PED culture.

5. Then there is the dreaded tainted supplement.

How can it legitimately happen?

A supplement manufacturer or underground lab (very popular) creates all types of products in its facility (plant/lab). By day, they create and package popular over-the-counter supplements. By night (with or without the knowledge of the plant/lab owner), supplements containing banned substances are produced for the far more lucrative black or gray (mostly Internet-based) markets. Before the start of the morning shift, all products are removed, and everything goes back to normal. Who was responsible for breaking down the lab and all machinery, properly cleaning it, and running test samples to inspect for sterility before the legitimate batches are produced the next morning and cross contamination with trace ingredients can occur? Wasn't it your turn?

If sold in the U.S., the FDA is going to inspect all supplements to insure the labels are exactly correct and absolutely no contamination with banned substances or other potentially harmful chemicals has occurred, right? Wrong!

Remember "captain of the ship" doctrine?

Prepare to drown a very public death – and take your career, reputation, championship titles, bank account and ability to feed your family with you. No lifeboats. No life vest. No Sponge Bob arm floaties, and the seat cushion cannot be used as a floatation device.

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