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IDW I completely disagree...

Won't go into why but I just do.

Aww, come on, Harry. There's nothing wrong with a bit of healthy debate, I'm sure plenty of us could learn from your contribution. I find two opposing opinions always makes me actually think about the information a lot more. I've already learned plenty from this thread, keep it rolling :nod:

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Well said, Phedder. :nod: Come on Harry - share!

I don't actually want to get involved in a debate that justifies endless cycles and allows people to think that it is a good option to make continual gains.

That's all. I know lots of guys do it and I know lots of guys who will go clean for years and still have low test levels, sperm production and sexual function despite their best efforts. Doesn't seem like a problem when you are 20 but when you're 30 and you want a family it's a big deal.

So while it's not a specific thing I disagree with it's the whole premis..

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Well said, Phedder. :nod: Come on Harry - share!

I don't actually want to get involved in a debate that justifies endless cycles and allows people to think that it is a good option to make continual gains.

That's all. I know lots of guys do it and I know lots of guys who will go clean for years and still have low test levels, sperm production and sexual function despite their best efforts. Doesn't seem like a problem when you are 20 but when you're 30 and you want a family it's a big deal.

So while it's not a specific thing I disagree with it's the whole premis..

I always thought cruising was just someobe saving up for their next lot of bottles.

Why would you lower your dose? Not to take a break or give receptors a rest, or let natty levels come back cos that don't happen. I always thought it for those that didn't want to lose gains and go backwards in terms of size and strength...it's tempting I guess, necessary for some perhaps?

I'm about to end my cycle soon started early Dec, can feel the urge to go shopping and cry during a sad movie already....

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Harry makes a valid point there. It can be a bit easy to say 'ah f*ck it, lets do it' to things when you are in your twentes... then to live with the effects and regret them forthe rest of your life... if you make it that far.

Personal experience with friends lost who thought that is exactly why I won't ever say there is a right way to cruise...

We all make choices and I say make the safest ones you can while still pursuing your goals. There's no 100% safe road.

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Harry makes a valid point there. It can be a bit easy to say 'ah f*ck it, lets do it' to things when you are in your twentes... then to live with the effects and regret them forthe rest of your life... if you make it that far.

Personal experience with friends lost who thought that is exactly why I won't ever say there is a right way to cruise...

We all make choices and I say make the safest ones you can while still pursuing your goals. There's no 100% safe road.

I think we kind of need to pull things back into perspective here. I don't think we can say anyone is going to become "lost" as a direct result of following a cruising protocol.

Say you were to blast/cruise for a year, 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off. That's 8 months of the year and 4 months off. Pretty substantial time off, really.

The thing is that, I'm not advocating a specific dosage during the bast (you can use pine pollen for all I care, Harry :pfft:) - I'm just advocating a method of blast/cruising that has guidelines and actually makes sense. As Android pointed out, what the heck is the point of cruising for weeks on end... it logically makes no sense. Because of this... I'm all for doing short blasts where you're training and eating in accordance, then cruising where you're just a normal person for a couple of weeks. Rinse and repeat.

I'm in the second, and final, week of my cruise period now... and damn do I feel good... ready to kick it again... soon.

If you accept the possible consequences of Blast/Cruising, and think about how to do it for long enough... eventually you'll come upon a similar solution to mine. It's pretty much just Dogg Crapp cycling.. just tweaked a bit. He had some odd ideas in his posts on cycling for pennies (google it) that I don't agree with... so I've changed them.

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Lol and we justify our madness! I just don't agree with it at all.

Look IDW I know guys who never come off and haven't for years. Its a kind of reliance. I understand risk vs reward but ummm all risk for what reward? Like seriously. Not even talking about money, but what for if not for some personal reward? I don't get being constantly on cycle to be well ... Average in terms of physique. If someone is a freakshow and says they never come off I still think its dumb but part of me gets it. When someone is gassing hard and doesn't have all that much to show for it... By my standards... Then no part of me gets it.

Each to their own but for fucks sake don't talk about perspective without having any. Tell Luke Wood's family that being on all the time is ok.

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Look IDW I know guys who never come off and haven't for years. Its a kind of reliance. I understand risk vs reward but ummm all risk for what reward? Like seriously. Not even talking about money, but what for if not for some personal reward? I don't get being constantly on cycle to be well ... Average in terms of physique. If someone is a freakshow and says they never come off I still think its dumb but part of me gets it. When someone is gassing hard and doesn't have all that much to show for it... By my standards... Then no part of me gets it.

Each to their own but for fucks sake don't talk about perspective without having any. Tell Luke Wood's family that being on all the time is ok.

And neither do I Harry. I don't get it either; why would you blast/cruise if the goal is not to be freaky. I'm not freaky in your eyes yet Harry. I'm not 5'6", 118kg like you pushing 200kg bench presses. Last blast I peaked at 97kg, next blast I'm going to push higher, and I'll post a video of me pushing 200kg too, one day... :)

Go look back at the videos of you back in the day, up on stage competing in the under 90's and ponder your progression over the years. It's all about progression, you're there now, big now... but, that doesn't mean you couldn't have done it using a different, just as safe, strategy.

You can choose to blast on whatever you want. If you want to use ridiculous dosages or blast durations, that's your business.

To give you some perspective of how, during my last blast, I hit +10kg on the scales, here's what I ran: (500mg Test E, 300mg Bold, 200mg Deca) / week.

That's it, nothing else but food and sleep; not even insulin yet. Oh, wait... I forgot the 20mg of Halo that I took on my training days, 3x/week. 8)

I'm not going to tell Luke Wood's family anything, as the fact of the matter is that he didn't die from just being "on all the time". Actually, he probably did die from being "on all the time", maybe he could have benefited by implementing a better cruising strategy, one where you actually come off, like mine.

I don't think luke wood died from cruising on 250mg then blasting on 1.5grams...

And neither does anyone else, I'd have thought. End of the day, no-one dies by blast/cruising alone, there's always other factors. Stay safe TWL

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It's not the doses it's the mentality that wrecks people.

If we talk about progression which I agree is what its about. Maybe I could have stayed on cycle for years but I didn't and I progressed ok. Maybe you could progress without needing to be on all the time?

I don't much like this topic cos once guys make a decision it just becomes an exercise in convincing others it's a good one and it just becomes circular.

And for perspective, right now I'm taking 1ml of sus. 1.5 ml of tren 1ml of deca and 2.5ml of bold every 10-12 days. And I'm almost as strong as I have ever been and carrying more muscle than ever. It's not a small amount for me but I've only been hitting it for 5 weeks after have some months off. Maybe the does warp my perception cos I just don't see all that steroid use just to be average.

Inb4every1thinksIlieaboutmydosing!

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I could progress by coming off. Problem is, I'll probably find myself in the masters class by the time I actually get anywhere. :P

Many people blast/cruise anyway, without putting much thought into what they're doing. So, I say... If you're going to do it, you might as well do it in a well-thought-out & structured way, rather than just randomly choosing variables, and blindly pushing ahead.

I think you forgot a 0 after the 1 in your sus. dosage there, might pay to go edit your post. :pfft:

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I could progress by coming off. Problem is, I'll probably find myself in the masters class by the time I actually get anywhere. :P

Many people blast/cruise anyway, without putting much thought into what they're doing. So, I say... If you're going to do it, you might as well do it in a well-thought-out & structured way, rather than just randomly choosing variables, and blindly pushing ahead.

I think you forgot a 0 after the 1 in your sus. dosage there, might pay to go edit your post. :pfft:

Well apparently I do take heaps more than I say cos surely if guys can't do it hitting 2 plus gms a day, there's no way I can using what I use.

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Mean. I've got another decade till I'm hitting my peak! What other sport can you say that?

Essentially yes, if you can stay healthy and responsive! I personally felt like I was just starting hit my stride in my early 30's competing just under 100k. I'm not sure if I'll be able to better that in terms of size but I will be more balanced and conditioned. it's a different journey for different people I just don't like to advocate a system I don't personally agree with.

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Harry, let's just be clear on one thing! The system I'm advocating isn't a system for people, it's a system for androids, an imaginary system. Imagine building an android, half human/half machine, that's designed to take out Bodybuilding shows. How would you program this device to get up to size as quickly as possible? With an IDW style blast/cruise, that's for sure. 8)

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Harry, let's just be clear on one thing! The system I'm advocating isn't a system for people, it's a system for androids, an imaginary system. Imagine building an android, half human/half machine, that's designed to take out Bodybuilding shows. How would you program this device to get up to size as quickly as possible? With an IDW style blast/cruise, that's for sure. 8)

I look forward to seeing you onstage...

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