diet help... Badly needed..lol

[Kalidane]

 

Altered the above post a little so hopefully you'll read it again Dinahlady..

And you are right dinahlady my posts have been bouncing around quite a bit so since this was my original thread I'm going to stick to it and kind of use it as my diet  journal...  Again, Im hoping you'll still feel free to advise...

Ok an update..

 I believe I cant eat the amount you guys eat but then I think I also put on weight far easier than the average person so need far less calories which possibly means far less protien needs? Time and my food record on fitnesspal will tell.
With fitnesspal now at least I have a guide that I can tweak as I go.

My target  intake is only 1910 calories. Been on that for a week now and have energy to burn, getting in good work outs,

First few days weight appeared to be comming off and my tummy circuference dropped a few centimeters but today a tummy measurement shows Im right back where i started at the beginning of the week which is very dissapointing..  I appear to be back to where i started. STuffed if I understand it and I have been strict about my calorie intake..

I'll do my weigh in today at the gym before I start to train, but the reality is tummy circumfernce is where its at.. If thats not shrinking then Im not losing weight in the right place.

Whether to tweak my diet now or to give it a few more days.. *sigh* will pop back in after the gym with weight!

 

What Dinah replied to the above post is comprehensive and correct.  I sorta blacked out after that part thb.

 

Are you on medication that inhibits glucose and/or lipid metabolism?

Do you have a diagnosed thyroid condition?

 

If the answer to the above two questions is 'no', then it is very very unlikely that you gain weight more easily than the majority of the population.

 

Hmmm thinking about this, can someone hook me up with the opposite of T3?  I'd be fucking massive in no time.

 

Fun anecdote time with Uncle Kalidane: I know a guy who is my height and within 1 year of my age.  I eat a lot more calories than him.  He is carrying 70kg+ of fat more than I am (and the lead continues to grow).

 

How is this possible?

 

I read, he naps.  I walk, he drives.  I train at the gym, he naps.

I am more active.

No magic.

When I was doing labouring work this year I was maintaining on 4500cals at 75kg-ish.  I was burning those calories.

No magic.

Knowing how much other people eat is mighty difficult.  Especially when you don't have a lot of experience at tracking calories and macros. 

 

Physics bro.  Mass change is a function of energy in and energy out.

 

You know this one.

 

Post up your latest hormone panel results, including thyroid obviously.

[Dinahlady]

Good post Kalidane, 

Its funny isnt it. how you can have 4500 calories and be 75kgs lean yet he thinks if he eats above 1900 cals he will gain fat? 

The reason you are lean, though,  may not directly be because you do more work/expenditure than him. 

Although you do need to slightly undercut your BMR + Expenditure to lose body fat (which is the equation that you guys call in vs out). Mrgeeky has been, up untill now, in recent times eating much less than 2000 calories whilst doing at least 1.5hour of cardio each day + weights sessons 4 x per week alongside other daily activity.

According to the laws of in vs out he should be a skeletor by now as his RMR would be flaoting around 1800 and his activity would well exceed 1000 calories per day when factoring cardio and weights. Making him in a defecit of at least 1000 calories.  He has probably been running this sort of defecit for a long while. 

The reason why he isn't a skeletor now is because this is way too much of a defecit to be running long term and there are consequences for the way someones body responds to exercise and food. As well as other factors that come in to play when not consuming enough food compared to activity levels. But apparently I can't comment on this without being called unscientific. so I'll let him do his degree in biochemistry and then he can elaborate on how I'm completely wrong about this whilst referencing these pathways and explaining how they work. 

 

This makes sense to anyone who has ever Personal Trained before because you see this every day and it doesn't even really require any type of level of explanation. 

 

 

 

 

[mrgeeky]

Good post Kalidane, 

Its funny isnt it. how you can have 4500 calories and be 75kgs lean yet he thinks if he eats above 1900 cals he will gain fat? 

The reason you are lean, though,  may not directly be because you do more work/expenditure than him. 

Although you do need to slightly undercut your BMR + Expenditure to lose body fat (which is the equation that you guys call in vs out). Mrgeeky has been, up untill now, in recent times eating much less than 2000 calories whilst doing at least 1.5hour of cardio each day + weights sessons 4 x per week alongside other daily activity.

According to the laws of in vs out he should be a skeletor by now as his RMR would be flaoting around 1800 and his activity would well exceed 1000 calories per day when factoring cardio and weights. Making him in a defecit of at least 1000 calories.  He has probably been running this sort of defecit for a long while. 

The reason why he isn't a skeletor now is because this is way too much of a defecit to be running long term and there are consequences for the way someones body responds to exercise and food. As well as other factors that come in to play when not consuming enough food compared to activity levels. But apparently I can't comment on this without being called unscientific. so I'll let him do his degree in biochemistry and then he can elaborate on how I'm completely wrong about this whilst referencing these pathways and explaining how they work. 

 

This makes sense to anyone who has ever Personal Trained before because you see this every day and it doesn't even really require any type of level of explanation. 

 

 

 

 

I thought you said you wouldnt post anymore..

Ok look Dinahlady i ahve tried and tried to be as polite as possibe to you, even though you have dreged through my old posts looking for crap to throw at me that was irrelevent, even though you were making stuff up about me, which your still doing..  Im over it.

First of all this calorie deficit that you talk of has only been going for a week.. So stop making bullshit up.. And if you look at what I have said, I said my target is 1900 cals per week.. I didnt say thats what I was eating.. I also said I was trying to eat a lot more than that and that it was a work in progress but I was struggling to eat a lot..  You havent seen my fitnesspal page, you dont have a clue what Im really eating so stop making stuff up.

Stop talking about my health like its aproblem thats bullshit you made up too.. My health is fine apart from a little gout...

 I said I did up to 1.5 hours of cardio per day, I didnt say "whilst doing at least 1.5hour of cardio each day" so please stop making all this shit up about me..

 Since I have started this calorie deficit diet (only one week now so more bullshit you have made up about me) I have done a max cardio of 1hour from memory.  Usually 30 mins per day though was average last week. Thats not to say Im not going to step it up again, I am jsut tired of you being creative in your posts about me.. Please stop making stuff up to suit your attack on me. I could go through your thread and point out many points where you have just made stuff up to suit what you are saying about me..

And what did you expect you were going to come in to  my thread and tell me that I had to do this and that or else, that I would just go, yes queen what ever you say? Really?

Dinahlady I disagree with a lot of what you say.. Get over it!  

 

And this is utter nonsense and every one knows it. Why they are too scared to tell you is beyond me.

"Ive seen tonnes of girls eating f*ck all running for ove an hour 6x per week and still obese and lost no weight in a year doing this. If it was calories in = calories out = weight loss then" - etc

 

Dinahlady If you eat stuff all and train hard trust me you will lose weight. You can not stay  fat under those circumstances.   Here just watch this.. Even he will tell you exactly what I have just told you.

 

http://www.gymnation.co.nz/forum/general-chitchat/fast-slow-metabolisms

I dont want or need any further help from you I would be really happy if you just did as you said you would and just stay out of my threads. I dont need or want your drama. I have done my utmost to be polite but you keep having a crack at me..  I thought you said I was a troll? why would you want to converse with a troll? Please go away and leave me alone..  Its obvious we are never going to be friends. Please just do us both a favour and lets stay out of each others way eh? I promise to stay out of your threads and it would really be appreciative if you did the same for me.

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[mrgeeky]

And to those that have been kind and have been prepared to help me with out any drama involved.. I really do appreciate the help. I notice a couple of you are still prepared to help after all the drama  that has unfolded in here and for that I really thank you.. But I dont want to let this thread carry on.. I thnk its time to let it die out why I havent responded to you... Please feel free to post in my new jouranl where I'll post before and after stats and photos and all relevent info....

Oh and to add a little more to add before I go, I was 114.9kg when i started my new diet..  Weigh in this morning, 1 week exactly from start date and Im now 111.4 kg.  I can actually start to see some ribs for the first time and some muscle definition is starting to stand out..

My work outs are the best they have ever been.. Im on fire in the gym and loving it and I feel great.

No loss of energy that one would expect if they were in calorie deficit..  Thats a whole week gone by and feeling a million dollars..

As I said I am going to start a before and after journal with photos to prove my point..

I want to give it a few weeks so that my last lot of photos start to look ok, Im a little embarrased about posting my first fatty photo.. Thanks again to those that have been prepared to contribute with out an drama but I wont be replying to any more posts in here..

I'll be happy to answer any q's in my new journal though.. cheers guys.

[Dinahlady]

Everyting I said was warrented from the things you have posted on this forum in the last month and the information you have given. 

It seems strange to you how I can write to you in your thread called "diet help needed" and others back me up by saying it is solid advice, yet you say that it is me that is being arrogant. 

I'm fine with staying off your thread as long as you keep them in one place. It's annoying to me and others to have 6 topics started per week by you when there are only a handful of people who actually post here. 

 

 

[Gym rat]

Me being a person who works in a gym Dinahlady is giving  great advice and the same with others have given good advice as well.If I was in your shoes Mr Geaky I would take Diahlady advice on borad and the same with others.

[rapz]

Geeky, dinah has offered solid advice, yet you tend to argue with proven methods. Get your head out of your arse already, it pisses people off when you choose to ignore the obvious and then get butthurt when corrected.  

[mrgeeky]

Geeky, dinah has offered solid advice, yet you tend to argue with proven methods. Get your head out of your arse already, it pisses people off when you choose to ignore the obvious and then get butthurt when corrected.  

 

 

after reading your last post I have removed this post...  I need to give things a good rethink as your last post sounds perfectly logical...

[rapz]

too much whinging like school girl in that post...

myfitnesspal is good for tracking foods and calories, but to follow its reccomended calorie for losing weight etc it stupid.  i just threw my stats in for a laugh and just to prove that its crap, im 128kg and my goal weight was 120kg, weight loss goal was 1kg per week which is acceptable for a male, exercise/gym 5 times a week.

it said i should be consuming 1810 calories *lol*  i would f*****g die on that, right now im consuming 3300 calories and losing a kg a week.  you would rather start off with more  calories and make steady progressions without killing yourself straight away.  so when your weight loss stalls at 1900 cals like you said was your daily caloric aim, whats next? keep lowering calories into ridiculous levels?   throwing in calories when you "think" you need them when "energy is low", there is no consistancy with that approach, it will have you chasing your own tail and back at square one, i guarantee it.

 

my point is, there a proven methods geeky, whether your a bodybuilder,boxer or whatever.  if you dont want to listen to dinah or other memebers here that would offer fairly similar advice, then god help you.

[mrgeeky]

too much whinging like school girl in that post...

myfitnesspal is good for tracking foods and calories, but to follow its reccomended calorie for losing weight etc it stupid.  i just threw my stats in for a laugh and just to prove that its crap, im 128kg and my goal weight was 120kg, weight loss goal was 1kg per week which is acceptable for a male, exercise/gym 5 times a week.

it said i should be consuming 1810 calories  i would f*****g die on that, right now im consuming 3300 calories and losing a kg a week.  you would rather start off with more  calories and make steady progressions without killing yourself straight away.  so when your weight loss stalls at 1900 cals like you said was your daily caloric aim, whats next? keep lowering calories into ridiculous levels?   throwing in calories when you "think" you need them when "energy is low", there is no consistancy with that approach, it will have you chasing your own tail and back at square one, i guarantee it.

 

my point is, there a proven methods geeky, whether your a bodybuilder,boxer or whatever.  if you dont want to listen to dinah or other memebers here that would offer fairly similar advice, then god help you.

pulled my other post as this one has made me rethink things..

 Like I said, Im am currently chatting to a fairly well known nutritional expert..

I need real proffessional advice on this..  yeah yeah, re dinahlady's post about me needing councelling.. ..

I need to figure out why I really believe that I put on weight much easier than the average person and why I think I need less calories..   And i know that sort of goes contrary to me saying calories in calories out..

I think I'll give this message board a break until I can nut this because with out having a clear picture of what the f*&* goes on here, like you say I could be chasing my tail... 

Will repost once I get the answers Im looking for..

 

 

[AZIDE]

A traditional Native American Vision Quest consists of a person spending one to four days and nights secluded in nature. This provides time for deep communion with the fundamental forces and spiritual energies of creation and self-identity. During this time of intense spiritual communication a person can receive profound insight into themselves and the world. This insight, typically in the form of a dream of Vision, relates directly to their purpose and destiny in life.

When a person is ready, he will go on a personal, spiritual quest alone in the wilderness, often in conjunction with a period of fasting.This usually lasts for a number of days while the person is attuned to the spirit world. Usually, a Guardian animal or force of nature will come in a vision or dream and give guidance for the person's life.

[Kalidane]

A traditional Native American Vision Quest consists of a person spending one to four days and nights secluded in nature. This provides time for deep communion with the fundamental forces and spiritual energies of creation and self-identity. During this time of intense spiritual communication a person can receive profound insight into themselves and the world. This insight, typically in the form of a dream of Vision, relates directly to their purpose and destiny in life.

When a person is ready, he will go on a personal, spiritual quest alone in the wilderness, often in conjunction with a period of fasting.This usually lasts for a number of days while the person is attuned to the spirit world. Usually, a Guardian animal or force of nature will come in a vision or dream and give guidance for the person's life.

 

Pls provide references.

 

Thanks.

[AZIDE]

A traditional Native American Vision Quest consists of a person spending one to four days and nights secluded in nature. This provides time for deep communion with the fundamental forces and spiritual energies of creation and self-identity. During this time of intense spiritual communication a person can receive profound insight into themselves and the world. This insight, typically in the form of a dream of Vision, relates directly to their purpose and destiny in life.

When a person is ready, he will go on a personal, spiritual quest alone in the wilderness, often in conjunction with a period of fasting.This usually lasts for a number of days while the person is attuned to the spirit world. Usually, a Guardian animal or force of nature will come in a vision or dream and give guidance for the person's life.

 

Pls provide references.

 

Thanks.

 

1. McWhorter, Lucullus Virgil (1940). Yellow Wolf: His Own Story. Caldwell, ID: Caxton Printers, Ltd. pp. 295–300.
2. Merkur, Daniel: Becoming Half Hidden / Shamanism and Initiation among the Inuit. (Series: Acta Universitatis Stockholmiensis / Stockholm Studies in Comparative Religion). Almqvist & Wiksell, Stockholm, 1985.
3. Holterman, Jack: Place Names of Glacier National Park / Riverbend Publishing, Helena, 2006, p 189.

 

[Kalidane]

lol'd and repped