diet help... Badly needed..lol

[mrgeeky]

cbf working it out but looks like not enough energy. ie you will lose >1kg/week if you stick to that which you probably wont

The 1910 calories a day I'll stick to.. I have real trouble eating that much and feel like Im force feeding myself as it is..  I have changed my macronurient ratios, thats where Im going to have fun working out what I need..  Im in to my 3rd day and have energy to burn and still havent managed to hit the 1910 calories once yet... One of my problems with diets I have had in the past was cutting out fat.  Almost no fat was one of my main aims with various diets..  ..

Kalidane said to me the other day that with out fat I would struggle for energy and I took it on board...

Since I have upped my fat intake I have noticed a big differnce.. Over the last 3 days I have had energy to burn, my stamina levels have increased a lot.. I notice it in the boxing gym.. Im putting this soley to adding more fat to my diet which I have never done before.. Im loving this diet..

Although the calorie intake seems low to some of you guys, I cant help but wonder if I am going to lose any weight on it as I have been stuffing my self with more food than ever over the last few days.. I cant see how thats going to help me lose weight..

 

Just of note, on my first day of using fitnesspal, when it took in to consideration calories burnt through exercise it adjusted my intake and said I had still had 1,172 calories left to burn out of the original 1910 lol . I felt fine with energy to burn...  Be interesting to see if this lasts.. who knows I may crash and burn at some stage but I doubt it..   Will keep you guys posted on how it all works out.. .. 

[rapz]

Dinah pretty much hit it on the head!

Very blunt, but good advice, pretty mich the basics of what   Most follow.

Take it on board geeky and use to your advantage.

[Dinahlady]

I know I got a bit frustrated  - but its frustrating when it feels like you're putting time and effort in to replying to someone, then 2 seconds later they post on another thread/part of forum another question. 

 

[mrgeeky]

I know I got a bit frustrated  - but its frustrating when it feels like you're putting time and effort in to replying to someone, then 2 seconds later they post on another thread/part of forum another question. 

 

aha, I thought that might have been the issue...  Unfortunately I started this thread fiirst all be it quite a while back.. I felt the advice in here was worth a second look... In particular i wanted to know something TheFellowshipOfTheRon had posted so needed to see if I could find it again...

But dinalady, I did take your posts in the other thread on board..

I had stupidly ignored TheFellowshipOfTheRon's previous advice of using fitnesspal, It was you who pointed me towards myfitnesspal again, which gave me the prompting I needed to start using it.. So dont feel bad.. You have helped and I do appreciate it... 

I think its really been a huge game changer for me..  Seriously I have taken it on board and I really do appreciate your advice and help. I havent for one minute dismissed anything you have said..  Apologies if I have upset you. And please do keep posting in my threads.. I really do appreciate your input as I do find you very knowledgable..

[mrgeeky]

Altered the above post a little so hopefully you'll read it again Dinahlady..

And you are right dinahlady my posts have been bouncing around quite a bit so since this was my original thread I'm going to stick to it and kind of use it as my diet  journal...  Again, Im hoping you'll still feel free to advise...

Ok an update..

 I believe I cant eat the amount you guys eat but then I think I also put on weight far easier than the average person so need far less calories which possibly means far less protien needs? Time and my food record on fitnesspal will tell.
With fitnesspal now at least I have a guide that I can tweak as I go.

My target  intake is only 1910 calories. Been on that for a week now and have energy to burn, getting in good work outs,

First few days weight appeared to be comming off and my tummy circuference dropped a few centimeters but today a tummy measurement shows Im right back where i started at the beginning of the week which is very dissapointing..  I appear to be back to where i started. STuffed if I understand it and I have been strict about my calorie intake..

I'll do my weigh in today at the gym before I start to train, but the reality is tummy circumfernce is where its at.. If thats not shrinking then Im not losing weight in the right place. :-(

Whether to tweak my diet now or to give it a few more days.. *sigh* will pop back in after the gym with weight!

[Dinahlady]

Altered the above post a little so hopefully you'll read it again Dinahlady..

And you are right dinahlady my posts have been bouncing around quite a bit so since this was my original thread I'm going to stick to it and kind of use it as my diet  journal...  Again, Im hoping you'll still feel free to advise...

Ok an update..

 I believe I cant eat the amount you guys eat but then I think I also put on weight far easier than the average person so need far less calories which possibly means far less protien needs? Time and my food record on fitnesspal will tell.

With fitnesspal now at least I have a guide that I can tweak as I go.

My target  intake is only 1910 calories. Been on that for a week now and have energy to burn, getting in good work outs,

First few days weight appeared to be comming off and my tummy circuference dropped a few centimeters but today a tummy measurement shows Im right back where i started at the beginning of the week which is very dissapointing..  I appear to be back to where i started. STuffed if I understand it and I have been strict about my calorie intake..

I'll do my weigh in today at the gym before I start to train, but the reality is tummy circumfernce is where its at.. If thats not shrinking then Im not losing weight in the right place.

Whether to tweak my diet now or to give it a few more days.. *sigh* will pop back in after the gym with weight!

 

Okay first of all. You do not need less calories than other people or put on weight easier than other people, this is wholly made up. 

The reason why you have been 110kgs since 2008 and probably way before that is probably from my personal overarching veiw that you have NEVER eaten enough calories from good food. 

I suggest you aim to work up to having 2500 calories with 30% protein 30% fat and 40% protein. Now listen carefully!

That means that now at 1900 calories you will be aiming for 140g Carbs, 65g fat and 140g protein. You will also add vegetables not counted in this, as many as you like and at least 1 lot of green leafy, and as many others, none are bad or worse than others (sweetcorn and carrots  are still vegetables). 

Start that now. 

Every 2 weeks you will increase your intake by 100 calories. For the first 3 changes add 10g carbs and 10g protein to your daily intake each time. Then on the 4th change add 10g protein and 5g fat. If you make it this far then let me know......

You will also have 2 meals per week where you can have what you like and not need to measure or weigh anything. This can be pizza, desert. Meal of what you like (eg raost dinner). Pies. Take them whenever you like in the week and wheerve you feel like it. Skipping these is not better. If you are worried about fat intake then make them carb based. 

Train with weights 3-4 x per week. Each workout can have no more than 5 exercises, basing and starting each session on a big compound movement eg squat, deadlift, bench or row. Limit bicep or calf training to 1-2 exercises maximum of 1 x per week (just covering my bases here lol). 

Do no more than 3 x 30 mins of cardio a week. If you arent doing any then do 30 mins walking preferebly outside in green space for 1x per week. (maybe you can increase this later on)

These numbers arent some kind of magic. They are a sensible starting point. You have had ongoing health issus since you have joined this site and it is seriusly time you started doing soemthing that requires you to actually put appropriate time and effort into the appropriate things. think of how many hours you have spent writing multiple questions on the forum when you could have just buckled down and been consistent like this. just do it. no chopping and changing, no deciding on a 250g protein diet then failing, not thinking that running anavar with your TRT is going to help you get where you want to go. Just NORMAL diet of regular split and HARD WORK. A good amount of calories. work on your appetite - no excuses everyone has to do this. 

Look at someone like Leeroid. I'm sure he started off eating f*ck all. Worked on eating more and more food even though it was hard, lifting well and consistently even though probably wasnt the strongest to start with (sry bro ur awesome now). its not because of any magical thing except he put in consistent hard yards. (srry leeroid if this isnt accurate). Im sure thre are many other examples on this forum. 

Finally the best piece of advice, even if you ignore all the above, is that you need to see a counseller. you have a lot invested in being able to do this. Glancing at old threds you have had high lipid profiles, testosterone issues and need to get a hold of your health. The drive behind succeding in this and reason behind most of this, i suspect, is all highly psychological and it will be hard to suceed with out some sort of guidance from this aspect. there are many services available and some are supported by your employer so i would speak to HR or Gp or private services.

In my opinion from what I've seen I havent seen you follow any sensible advice from any of the highly experienced individuals on this forum who have helped you numerous times. So I am completely breaking this down for you so there is no qustion what to follow and what to do. If you follow this I will continue to give you my advice, if not I am never posting on your threads ever again!!!!!! I'm not saying to the letter. but something wholly resembling what I'm saying. At least for the next couple of months. AFTER you have been consistent you can start messing with individual preferences, like others do. But at this point you just need consistency on something SIMPLE, not out there or different.  

Heres a breakdown of what you could eat per day. If you were wondering. You can work out the amounts with myfinesspal. there are many other foods you could choose from or mix up - but this is just to give you an idea. 

 

1: Oats/cereal(+milk) or toast with Whole Eggs maybe supplemented with more egg whites or protein powder. 

2: Meat with rice and vegetables/salad*

3: Meat with rice and vegetables/salad*

* these two meals could be the same food, just split in half or eat just one big meal - no difference.

4: Snack type meal eg rice cakes, nuts, protein shake. - again could just be a meat, carb and veggie meal. 

5: Steak/Beef with potatoes and vegetables

 

You can adapt this however you like. Different carbs different proteins. Sauces. Sandwhiches. coffee is fine. most of everything is fine! It deosnt matter. Doesnt matter if you switch the order round. More or less meals. or if you are standing on your head whilst eating... just do it!  Whatever works for you just hit those macros with REAL FOOD. No excuses like "blahblah but im at work or cba to make meals etc" everyone else does it, make time for it. go to warehouse and buy containers. then the supermarket and get eggs meat rice oats potatoes vegetables. Prep your food. put some real effort in rather than asking questions behind a computer and go and find some counselling support for this. 

(inb4 other people disagree with my numbers or suggestions because of their personal preferences - this is a standard basic diet and training protocol trying to cover all bases which will give easy introduction into being consistent as I believe that is what mrgeeky needs - though this is entirely my opinion)

 

[mrgeeky]

Hi,  dinahlady  I do understand you have spent a lot of time writing your post in an attempt to help me and there is some good advice in there.. But draggin up nonsense from my other posts is pointless. Re anavar, I have no wish to use anavar. That was a very old thread. Please stop dragging up stuff that from my old threads that are totally pointless to this conversation. I have no wish to use any form of steroids at the moment, well not at least until I get my diet right and I have said so in other posts. Dragging up non issues is not helping.

Re TRT, why bring it up. Its not relevant, Im happy where im at with that. Again your dredging through old posts of mine that simply aren’t relevant. You talk about a bad/high lipid profile. No, I don’t have a bad lipid profile. My last visit to the doc a few weeks ago and he was happy with it. So again your dredging through old non relevant posts..  . I could go on, but gee, come on please Dinahlady, lets stick to the topic here eh? And stop dredging through old irrelevant posts of mine. Its really kind of pointless. .

 The only thing I need help on is to lose weight. That’s my only issue. 

And as much as I  appreciate your post but its not going to happen for many reasons.. and if that means you don’t offer further help,  again I can live with that.

For starters I do between half to one and a half hours of cardio per day usually 6 days a week. I enjoy it too much to stop. With cardio  My own boxing sessions at times leave me so drenched with sweat you would think I had just come in out of the rain! I use the rowing machine, treadmill, do box fit classes, use the stationary bike, will add running once I lose some fat and have just joined another boxing gym..   If that means I am going to stay fat, so be it. I’ll stay fat. Also stopping cardio goes against what I believe is common sense in trying to lose weight. So no, that’s not going to happen. Even if you said I would lose weight by stopping cardio, I wouldn’t stop. I am just enjoying it too much.  Yes burning too many calories with cardio will not help me put on muscle, but then that’s not where my main goals lay. Although weights are an important part of my life and always will be, I train in weights to put on a little muscle and to help keep healthy, and because I really enjoy pushing weights. Putting on as much muscle as possible and strictly maintaining it isnt a goal of mine so I don’t need to train like a competitive body builder..

Eat more? Nope, calories in, energy out, common sense dictates the less you eat the less you’ll weigh.  The goal is to try to do it in a manner that doesn’t strip off muscle as well.  Im just not a big eater and Im stuffed if im going to force feed myself for anyone..  If that means I’ll stay fat so be it.

 Weights – your advice is good and Im doing this as much as I can anyone working around injuries. I train 4 times a week always starting with any compound exercises that Im capable of doing. Been training in weights for aprox 26 years now and Im happy with the way I train.

Where Im struggling is with food and I have been given advice on that and I am going to stick to it to see where it leads.  Im not going to chop and change every 5 seconds someone comes up with a different idea. I need to stick to what I have been told to do, and see where it leads first. I need to give what Im doing a decent try out.  I am working on upping my food intake to the recommended goals. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Im slowly getting there..

 

[Leeroid]

Great post Dinah agree 100%. Mrgeeky you are starting to become annoying with your repetitive questions. Its alright to ask if you don't know but you just seem to keep asking the same thing without actually doing anything.

[mrgeeky]

Great post Dinah agree 100%. Mrgeeky you are starting to become annoying with your repetitive questions. Its alright to ask if you don't know but you just seem to keep asking the same thing without actually doing anything.

Advice by TheFellowShipOfThe Ron is being followed and as I said in the above post Im sticking to it to see where it leads. It just doesnt make sense to chop and change every 5 minutes some one comes up with a new idea.  I need to follow this through for a few weeks to see what happens.. If I dont lose weight after a few weeks on this plan then I'll look at taking other advice. Until then, Im sticking with it..

-----------------------------------

Dinahlady,

After re reading your post I have had second thoughts. .

As I said, I wont chop and change every 5 minutes. That jsut doesnt make sense.

I need to give the current advice / plan Im on, a decent try to see how it works out first.

 

Just to be clear I weighed myself today following this current plan and I am down 2.5kg from last Monday.. My tummy circumference hasnt changed but then maybe I just needed to take a big dump first lol.. Its only early days on this plan yet.. Let see where my current plan leads and if in a few weeks I havent lost weight, I'll take you up on your post and give it a shot..

 

Hows that sound? Because if my current advice/diet doesnt work I'll have nothing to lose anway lol

Lets give it until the end of the month. If Im not losing real weight by then, I'll give your guide a shot.  August 1 cut off day for this plan if its not working well, and a change over to your plan..

 

You have it in writing here.. Sound ok by you?

 

[Dinahlady]

After reading your response to me I have totally given up. 
You are doing 1.5 hours of cardio per day 6 days per week and eating 1900 calries with 70g of carbs only and wanting to do weight training as well and expecting to get resutls. 

This isn't just a bad appraoch imo this is actively detrimental to your health... 

Your past medical history and attitudes do relate to what you are doing now.

I can safely say there is no basic dietetics in your approach at all. Infact if you went to a dietician they would probably be horrified and make some changes and I actually recommend you do that, strongly. 

Less calories clearly doesnt = results. If thats true then how can I be a girl who eats 1.5x as many calories as you do, does NO cardio, trains only 3x per week yet I am leaner than you? I've seen my abs before eating more than you do now? Is this just luck??

Its fair enough you can follow what soeone else says but you aren't actually using the information you have been given properly. 

This is one big total facepalm and I'm totally out...

You can lead a horse to water.... 

 

 

[Dinahlady]

Did you even use the calculator that Fellowship linked?

No you didnt.

if you did it would be recommending your maintentatce at above 3000 calories. Therefore your cut should be at around 2500 - 2700 as advised by Fellowships post/Jrackish.

You said you do 1h - 1h30 cardio 6 x per week. this would mean you need to select the "5x per week intense exercise" or "everyday intense exercise" options on the calculator. 

You also need to put your CURRENT WEIGHT. not the weight you WANT to be. 

 

So you arent actually following anyones advice/instruction, yet again, you are making up your own ideas/rules. This is why people are getting pissed off.

 

Go and look at it again! 

 

[mrgeeky]

 

Im probably not goign to get a chance to post until tomorrow but will sit down and carefully take note of all you have said in your last two post and make sure I understand all you have said before commenting further..

 

 

   

[mrgeeky]

I couldnt help but pop back in for a sec, there is a question Im dying to ask you dinahlady..

I say I put on weight much easeir than the average person and I need far less calories..

You say this is bullshit.

Im not trying to have a go at you, Im just trying to understand. I'll use a couple of friends as an example. I have a cousin, now in his early 50s. His whole life he's been skinny as a rake. He does no work. he lays on the couch all day watching tv when hes' not at the pub.

He drinks like a fish. Breakfast is usually fried bacon and eggs, thick white bread toasted with plenty of butter..  Lunch time hes usually down at the local eating fish and chips and salad. 

afternoons to nights he lays on the couch watching tv and eating..  Big teas cooked with heaps of fat, sits on the couch either drinking or eating chips etc.  spent his whole life like this..

If you theory that people utilise calories the same, why is he so thin?

Another friend who is really really skinny and has almost just as bad a diet. He easily eats triple what I eat and follows that with a few beers every night. why hs he never put fat on?

If the above is true, why cant my body also utilise calories differently like the above people only in the opposite manner?  Again, not having a go at you, just trying to understand your earlier comment?

[Dinahlady]

Basically it's exactly what you are saying but not because you were born any particular way different to them but because of your choices. Basically, They are eating alot of food which is why their body has the ability to keep things turning over and running at a good rate. Also, nothing wrong with bacon eggs and toast with butter.

if you are someone who chronically undereats, say a girl eating 1200 cals for most of her life because she is trying to stay "skinny" by eating salads and not much else, what actually happens is that your body starts to down regulate some of its less essential and unneeded processes. It is saving energy for only its most essential proccesses. 

In english: If you are chronically undereating for a long time your body isn't going to be like "oh sweet I'm going to turn you into a lean mean fighting machine, or massive and ripped".
It's not going to be using your fuel to build excess lean mass, this takes a LOT of energy which requires lots of calories! which you arent getting!
So, its basically just gonna say "wholey f*ck I haven't got enough to eat so I'm going to just do the basics here, and save up as much as i can cos I we must not have much food around at the moment". It also says "I'm going to get really fucking stressed out from this in a generic way" which also leads to a host of other issues in itself that dont pertain to your ideal physique or to health. Then when you exercise for 1.5 hours per day it just exasserbates this.

When you are exercising, your need for everything is increased, protein, carbs, fats, calories. It isnt just an equation of "oh my body needs these but i wont give them to them so it will lose fat -no - your body needs them because it needs them to work, move, repair, grow, produce hormones, function properly. 

Ive seen tonnes of girls eating f*ck all running for ove an hour 6x per week and still obese and lost no weight in a year doing this. 

If it was calories in = calories out = weight loss then anorexic people who eat circa 300-500 cals per day who start off weighing 60kgs should be losing over 2kgs a week and should be dead within 10 weeks. But they dont - people can go on like that for years and years because of these types of regulatory processes. 

 

 

INB4 someone comes and like corrects my shit - this is a simplified almost broified break down of this and some kind of extreme examples to kind of jog stuff into place - I'm not pretending to completely understand or explain all this in a scientific way.

 

 

[Gym rat]

I was reading this thread on my phone while I was having my afternoon tea at work and I would have to agree with Diahlady you be better off to go and see someone to help you with your diet like seeing one of the trainers at your gym would be a good start.Instead of asking the same question over again on this thread which is starting to get very boring.

[mrgeeky]

I was reading this thread on my phone while I was having my afternoon tea at work and I would have to agree with Diahlady you be better off to go and see someone to help you with your diet like seeing one of the trainers at your gym would be a good start.Instead of asking the same question over again on this thread which is starting to get very boring.

if it bothers you dont read it.. simple really..

[mrgeeky]

Basically it's exactly what you are saying but not because you were born any particular way different to them but because of your choices. Basically, They are eating alot of food which is why their body has the ability to keep things turning over and running at a good rate. Also, nothing wrong with bacon eggs and toast with butter.

if you are someone who chronically undereats, say a girl eating 1200 cals for most of her life because she is trying to stay "skinny" by eating salads and not much else, what actually happens is that your body starts to down regulate some of its less essential and unneeded processes. It is saving energy for only its most essential proccesses. 

In english: If you are chronically undereating for a long time your body isn't going to be like "oh sweet I'm going to turn you into a lean mean fighting machine, or massive and ripped".

It's not going to be using your fuel to build excess lean mass, this takes a LOT of energy which requires lots of calories! which you arent getting!

So, its basically just gonna say "wholey f*ck I haven't got enough to eat so I'm going to just do the basics here, and save up as much as i can cos I we must not have much food around at the moment". It also says "I'm going to get really fucking stressed out from this in a generic way" which also leads to a host of other issues in itself that dont pertain to your ideal physique or to health. Then when you exercise for 1.5 hours per day it just exasserbates this.

When you are exercising, your need for everything is increased, protein, carbs, fats, calories. It isnt just an equation of "oh my body needs these but i wont give them to them so it will lose fat -no - your body needs them because it needs them to work, move, repair, grow, produce hormones, function properly. 

Ive seen tonnes of girls eating f*ck all running for ove an hour 6x per week and still obese and lost no weight in a year doing this. 

If it was calories in = calories out = weight loss then anorexic people who eat circa 300-500 cals per day who start off weighing 60kgs should be losing over 2kgs a week and should be dead within 10 weeks. But they dont - people can go on like that for years and years because of these types of regulatory processes. 

 

 

INB4 someone comes and like corrects my shit - this is a simplified almost broified break down of this and some kind of extreme examples to kind of jog stuff into place - I'm not pretending to completely understand or explain all this in a scientific way.

 

 

I got a friend who is quite a good boxer in theory he should be a big samoan boy..  But he starves himself year in year out with the theory that he can fight in a much lighter weight division which gives him a good height advantage. So according to your theory above he should be fat as..

He trains very hard and doesnt eat a lot to help acheive his goals..  going by your above theory he should be fat as a pig? 

Some thing else you probably dont understand either.. I have always trained this way and I used to be quite a big eater at one time..  For years I over ate..  I was up to 22 stone one part of it.

not training then of course.   I have manged to cut back my intake to something more sensible and clean but still ate far more than I eat now.. Its only the last year or so I ahve taken to not eating a breakfast for a reason I wont bore you with now.  Now that I dont eat breakfast it sets me up for just not feeling  like eating much for the rest of the day.. Before I started on this no breakfast plan I used to eat plenty and I trained hard and was still fat...

Im sorry Dinahlady but there is no way you are going to get me to believe your last post. 

And I thought it was now a forgone conclusion that you couldnt change your metabolisim by changing your diet as you appear to allude to be able to do.. I'll dig up the science on that if you want..  It was even posted in here some where...

Look I dont agree, I honestly beleive that we are all different and people utilise caolories differently and you are not going to change my views on that..

You seem to get upset quite easy dinahlady so I say that in fear of upsetting you which is not my intention.. Please remember we all are allowed our views and my stance is I think your last post is nonsense..    But Im open minded and more than welcome to be proven wrong..

Your posts on my screw up with trying to follow TheFellowshipOfTheRon's recommendations is really appreciated and I will look at making the appropriate changes.  And Im happy to give your recomendations on a new way of doing things a crack if this current regime fails..

cheers Dinahlady. 

 

 

[Leeroid]

Your friend is an elite competitive athlete that trains fulltime. Plus I bet his diet is far more constructive than yours is. Can't believe that you're comparing yourself to a competitive boxer.

[mrgeeky]

Your friend is an elite competitive athlete that trains fulltime. Plus I bet his diet is far more constructive than yours is. Can't believe that you're comparing yourself to a competitive boxer.

I cant believe your saying I compare myself to a competitive boxer. Please show me where i made the comparison..  although I did used to train with him full time... :-).

 

 

[Ben0]

mrgreeky, you have been given some great advice here, but you do seem more content with picking agurements within it or faulting it. If you just take a minute to take in the advice you WILL see results, dinahlady would have been more then happy to help you out along the way. You seem very stubbon in your ways, which I believe is holding you back. I dont blame dinahlady for not helping you any further, you seem to be getting a lot of people off side here..

[holdenman]

I have to agree with Dinahladys post and I believe you want to cut on maximum calories. I'm 3 weeks into a cut and have lost >4kg on 3000+cals/day. My weight loss is actually too much for my liking and have upped cals.

You say you've trained for 20+ years, know how you like to train etc. but seem to ask a shitload of questions as if you're really struggling. What are your pb's/weight/bf% etc.?

[Dinahlady]

I pureposefully dumbbed down the post so you can understand what I'm trying to say. 

There are people on this forum who have knowledge coming out their eyeballs and more academic experience than me and you still choose to ignore them. Probably more than once which is why they don't respond to your posts anymore. 

You can't use one example of "I know a mate". That is in no way scientific. He could be lying? He could be bullemic for all you know, or be eating way more than he says.

I am a PT and have seen tens of clients just as ignorant as you and they have turned themselves around and lost weight, my partner bodybuilt natty for 15 years, PL, runs a gym and trains PTs to train others... and talks about these topics daily. 

You have been fat all your life and dont even know where to buy eggs from? 

 

If you care to take a look at post of the month Jimmybro just won it based on a diet post that recommends almost exactly what I recommended to you - increasing cals and carbs slowly over several weeks. I recommend you read it.

Why bother posting on this forum if you aren't going to listen to anyone? 

You didnt even listen to Fellowshipoftheron of Josef rackish's post (who has also helped tons of clients with that information that you did not follow correctly) Because you made up your own rules of the calculation that he linked. When clearly you should be putting in your information of 110kgs, exercising 6 days per week. Why is that hard for you? 

Are you seriously not some sort of elaborate long term troll??? It seems like you are.

I wont be posting or responding to you any more. Unfortunately, it is people like you that is probably why this forum is so empty these days. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dinahlady]

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[mrgeeky]

Lol you talking about science means nothing to me. I pureposefully dumbbed down the post so you can understand what I'm trying to say. 

I am currently studying biochemistry and am doing a pharmacology degree and am an A grade student. I have daily lectures from experts at the forefront of their field making world discoveries about obesity hormones or GI anatomy that they share daily.

There are people on this forum who have knowledge coming out their eyeballs and more academic experience than me and you still choose to ignore them. Probably more than once which is why they don't respond to your posts anymore. 

You can't use one example of "I know a mate". That is in no way scientific. He could be lying? He could be bullemic for all you know, or be eating way more than he says.

I am a PT and have seen tens of clients just as ignorant as you and they have turned themselves around and lost weight, my partner bodybuilt natty for 15 years, PL, runs a gym and trains PTs to train others... and talks about these topics daily. 

You have been fat all your life and dont even know where to buy eggs from? 

 

So you are completely rejecting this whole forum then? 

If you care to take a look at post of the month Jimmybro just won it based on a diet post that recommends almost exactly what I recommended to you - increasing cals and carbs slowly over several weeks. I recommend you read it.

Why bother posting on this forum if you aren't going to listen to anyone? 

You didnt even listen to Fellowshipoftheron of Josef rackish's post (who has also helped tons of clients with that information that you did not follow correctly) Because you made up your own rules of the calculation that he linked. When clearly you should be putting in your information of 110kgs, exercising 6 days per week. Why is that hard for you? 

Are you seriously not some sort of elaborate long term troll??? It seems like you are.

I wont be posting or responding to you any more. Unfortunately, it is people like you that is probably why this forum is so empty these days. 

Have fun being overweight for the next 5 years that you are a member of this forum and good luck with your health problems of the future. 

 

 

 

 

.. You say I dont follow anyones advice? Nonsense. I have had a lot of beneificial advice on here that I have followed and its been most helpful and appreciated. Example in this thread alone - just the advice from FellowshipofTheRon about adding fat to my diet has been a big game changer for me.. Joints feel a lot better, more energy than I hve have before.. Before I cut out all fats. Now i dont.    and you pretend Im not following ThefellowshipOf The rons advice on diet. I am.. So Im not perfect and I screwed it up.. I'll be going over his post again and making sure I get it right this time..

Regardless of how you feel I do appreciate the help you have offered in correcting that too and will be following it.. 

And I still intend on following through with the advice you have given me if this current plan doesnt work although I wont bother to ask for any further help from you..

So i am listening to advice which you say I arent..

And did you even stop to consider what my main goal is? Its not to build muscle but to get fit for sparring again.. The current boxing gym Im going to is run bya 55 year old who is doing 3 mnute sparring rounds. To do that Im going to need intense cardio with sprints etc. Cutting out cardio wont help me with that. I could go on but I think you are just over dramatising the whole thing.. Just because I refused to believe one post fo yours which I thought was wrong you get upset? So be it..  I could go on but this is just getting a little too petty for my liking...

Many thanks for what you have contributed anyway dinahlady and lets let it rest there eh ?

In my last post before things got sidetracked I did say I was going to use this for my journal to show how my progress is going ..  

I think its best now i let this thread die out and will start a journal with some before and after photos,  hopefully with out the bickering...

cheers to all who have contributed I too wont be posting in here anymore if I can avoid it...

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yeah make the journal and just start a new thread every time you have a question. they say the only stupid question is the one you dont ask.

tbh i wouldnt worry too much about upsetting dinah, from my understanding of girls i would guess  that her anger is probably related more to menstrual cycle timing than frustration with your lack of understanding and failure to grasp most simple concepts or listen to advice.

throughout history people with different ideas from the widely accepted norm have been persecuted. There are many famous examples of those people who were in fact correct. I would expect that many members here (dinah included) would be dissapointed if there arent any more quality thought-provocative threads from you mrgeeky.