ultimate pre and post supplements for 16 yr old?

[tonganstallion]

hey im 16 yr old male currently attending high school in taranaki, im currently doing cardio atm to burn some fat but i have a good bulk on me im only doing cardio for 2 more weeks so i can save up enough money to buy a good pre and post workout supplements i get paid $90 every fortnite from my disability funds (heart surgery) my main goal is to be a bodybuilder but i dont want to be in the athletic category i want to be a mass monster (but not fat) so all im asking is what will be the best pre and post workout supplement for me? i need a pre workout because i find that after school im quite tired and i need a huge boost of energy i would like my post workout supp to be something high in protein and not carbs as my workout is after school and i go home after my workout. i have looked on shotgunn supplements and gaspari myofusion seems good but also gold standard 100% whey so im stuck between those 2 for my post but if theres any other better ones i will consider having a look at them. i dont need a list of high protein foods as i am still looking for a job so i will make do with tuna.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

hey man couple of things

* first, good on you for getting involved with the fitness lifestyle so early

* you are only 16 AND you have a heart condition, for this alone I am completely reluctant to recommend you any kind of pre workout at all. i honestly suggest you seek full medical advice before you go ahead with anything pre workout. for that matter, have you sought medical advice relating to exercise/fitness?

* you are really young, as long as you sort your diet and work hard, you will definitely be looking boss by the time you're 18 - with or without supplements so don't stress over it

* also want to re-iterate the definition of supplement, they are all only meant to back up (supplement or 'top up') a good base diet rather than be the primary component of one

* myofusion is really good as a protein supp, good blend with good taste but not the best price. it would certainly be suitable for your post workout.

* why don't you want carbs post workout? it's by all means the best time to be taking your carbs, particularly if you have some kind of cutting goals in mind.

* dunno what kind of exercises you plan on doing after school but keep in mind that if your goal is to build muscle, you probably don't want to be doing that on an empty stomach - you'll need some good energy! sucks that you won't get time to do that in high school but is it possible for you to quickly get home, have a meal and hit the gym ~1.5 hours later?

* keep up your cardio but do it after your workout... also you don't need to be doing crap loads of it. it's good to do for fitness but once you sort your diet and up your intensity with the weights, you'll already notice yourself start to lean out without having to for example do an hour on the treadmill a day

what are your stats right now anyway? height/weight/bodyfat%

[Dinahlady]

I find ultimate is:

Pre workout.... Sugary/fast release/high GI Carbs + possibly BCAAs + no fats.

Post workout... Sugary/fast release/high GI Carbs + Protein + no fats.

sooo yeah...

[hhhh1]

I find ultimate is:

Pre workout.... Sugary/fast release/high GI Carbs + possibly BCAAs + no fats.

Post workout... Sugary/fast release/high GI Carbs + Protein + no fats.

sooo yeah...

how long before you workout do you eat? i usually feel like sht and dont lift as well if i eat lollies before gym, unless its ages before

[tonganstallion]

-yes my gp knows that i want to get into bodybuilding i had rheumatic fever when i was 11 and had a heart velve replacement i should be going back to hospital to get it replaced sometime this year so i should be fine.

-yes i know i am young but i would like to start competing by this time next year

-i have had a look at superquad protein so might get that as it has 130 serves 24g protein 4 x a day which will amount to 96gs protein a day for 1 month cost $155 and will have to go without a pre workout

- i do not want carbs as i have read they are the fastest way for left over calories to be stored as fat and as i go home straight after my workout i cannot afford to be getting fat. i also do not want to be doing cardio while i am building muscle (for now) because i heard that is also a way to lose bulk muscle.

- i will be training 1-2 muscle groups a day, going home then coming back to gym is not an option as i do not live in town i live out the country and get picked up at 5 pm so i have to finish my workout by then or else i miss out.

- height is 5'7 weight is 85kg 28% bf i am taking ripped freak atm

@hhh1 - ummm i try and eat in my last subject which is about 2:20 which i will have a peanut butter sammy then i go gym 3:30

[Dinahlady]

I find ultimate is:

Pre workout.... Sugary/fast release/high GI Carbs + possibly BCAAs + no fats.

Post workout... Sugary/fast release/high GI Carbs + Protein + no fats.

sooo yeah...

how long before you workout do you eat? i usually feel like sht and dont lift as well if i eat lollies before gym, unless its ages before

I eat rice cakes n jam n bcaa's like max 15 mins before. Get a stronger stomach or have dextrose or something similar so you can drink it etc. I just prefer to eat my carbs for real.

[Dinahlady]

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- i do not want carbs as i have read they are the fastest way for left over calories to be stored as fat and as i go home straight after my workout i cannot afford to be getting fat. i also do not want to be doing cardio while i am building muscle (for now) because i heard that is also a way to lose bulk muscle.

Carbs are the best pre workout and post workout source. Look up the action of insulin in the body and you will realise that the benefits of having carbs pwo will outweigh the negetives and if you have the right amount there are unlikely to be "left over calories"

If anything, if you are worried about getting fat you should think about lowering your carb intake at other times of the day and putting your general intake more around your workout to fuel it and recover from it.

[tinytraps]

How about

Pre workout coffee

Post work out food

I went through a phase where I used a lot of shakes during the day 6+ and did it make me feel like shit. Since switching back to whole feel my energy levels are more stable and I dont have gastro problems (not to mention no more shitting like a duck)

I think at your stage 28% bf is reasonably high and no amount of ripped freak is going to help that. Eat proper and train.

[hhhh1]

i dont feel sick, i just feel weaker if i eat high GI carbs, eg bag lollies, before the gym. i will stick with lower GI carbs (like oats/weetbix) for the pre-workout meal. high GI after.

tonganstallion, i wouldnt bother about getting a pre-workout type supplement. they are overrated and you will build up a tolerance to them pretty quickly and their effects will be minimal, like you will take heaps and pretty much just feel normal.

[jerume]

Nice to see someone so young starting out mate, first off dont use shotgun supplements, they have a great range but are too expensive! use someone like bodybuilding.co.nz or xtremenutrition.co.nz,they are quite a bit cheaper. Also if you are gonna get a pre workout dont waste your money here in NZ,ask for your parents permission and buy from overseas such as bodybuilding.com, you'll save approx $20-$30NZ even after landing it here, just make sure it doesnt have 1.3 dim in it, as going to be illegal in nz next month? correct me if im wrong! I've used alot of pre-workout's,such as NO-xplode,assault,jack3d, and now on Driven sports Craze, so awesome! and none of the come down of 1.3.

Also when it comes to protein,IMHO try if you can get a isolate/concentrate mix(isolate only if possible but going to be too expensive). As if you are going to have 4 shakes a day of concentrate, you gonna have to invest in alot of toilet paper in my experience! :pfft:

As an example there are the cheaper proteins on the market,which are primarily concentrate.

A good was is to go to a site like supplementreviews.com, and see what people who have wasted their money on a crap supplement think before you waste your hard earned money!. alternatively you can stay with the tried and true gold standard, or go for a mix like profight whey complex,which for the same price as gold standard you get glutamine with your protein for the same price!

IMO Just try and get a protein which is primarily isolate...look on the label and make sure " whey isolate" is first on the list.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

-yes my gp knows that i want to get into bodybuilding i had rheumatic fever when i was 11 and had a heart velve replacement i should be going back to hospital to get it replaced sometime this year so i should be fine.

-yes i know i am young but i would like to start competing by this time next year

-i have had a look at superquad protein so might get that as it has 130 serves 24g protein 4 x a day which will amount to 96gs protein a day for 1 month cost $155 and will have to go without a pre workout

- i do not want carbs as i have read they are the fastest way for left over calories to be stored as fat and as i go home straight after my workout i cannot afford to be getting fat. i also do not want to be doing cardio while i am building muscle (for now) because i heard that is also a way to lose bulk muscle.

- i will be training 1-2 muscle groups a day, going home then coming back to gym is not an option as i do not live in town i live out the country and get picked up at 5 pm so i have to finish my workout by then or else i miss out.

- height is 5'7 weight is 85kg 28% bf i am taking ripped freak atm

@hhh1 - ummm i try and eat in my last subject which is about 2:20 which i will have a peanut butter sammy then i go gym 3:30

ok mate at 28% bf you'll definitely wanna be integrating cardio into the mix, not ideal but you really want to get that way down so your body can be within the more anabolic levels (build from around 14% is better). another thing on this point, you wanna be competing within a year from now so it's even more important for you to quickly trim this fat down quick so you can check out your muscle areas which need more work. you might also want to consider some early morning cardio - don't have to go to the gym, even walking/jogging nearby is great. the extra cardio will not burn muscle, especially not at higher bodyfat %s, it's simply a myth!

superquad does seem very good value and a decent product.

the other very important factor is obviously diet which you need to nail asap. normally i wouldn't hammer it in so much for a youngster but you have a clear goal to compete (which is a very good goal/vision!) so you wanna start taking it all professionally from the get go. nail this part and you can stop wasting your money on the ripped freak. if you really 'must' run a fat burner, run with something like green tea - heaps cheaper, with that extra savings you can consider fish oil (also excellent for your heart).

how much about your diet have you got sorted so far? things like calculating how much calories you need to eat per day and how to split them (carbs/protein/fat). the other important thing is timing, particularly in regards to carbs. carbs are not the devil as some of those articles will have you believe, you just need to control them in a smart fashion.

[jerume]

-yes my gp knows that i want to get into bodybuilding i had rheumatic fever when i was 11 and had a heart velve replacement i should be going back to hospital to get it replaced sometime this year so i should be fine.

-yes i know i am young but i would like to start competing by this time next year

-i have had a look at superquad protein so might get that as it has 130 serves 24g protein 4 x a day which will amount to 96gs protein a day for 1 month cost $155 and will have to go without a pre workout

- i do not want carbs as i have read they are the fastest way for left over calories to be stored as fat and as i go home straight after my workout i cannot afford to be getting fat. i also do not want to be doing cardio while i am building muscle (for now) because i heard that is also a way to lose bulk muscle.

- i will be training 1-2 muscle groups a day, going home then coming back to gym is not an option as i do not live in town i live out the country and get picked up at 5 pm so i have to finish my workout by then or else i miss out.

- height is 5'7 weight is 85kg 28% bf i am taking ripped freak atm

@hhh1 - ummm i try and eat in my last subject which is about 2:20 which i will have a peanut butter sammy then i go gym 3:30

ok mate at 28% bf you'll definitely wanna be integrating cardio into the mix, not ideal but you really want to get that way down so your body can be within the more anabolic levels (build from around 14% is better). another thing on this point, you wanna be competing within a year from now so it's even more important for you to quickly trim this fat down quick so you can check out your muscle areas which need more work. you might also want to consider some early morning cardio - don't have to go to the gym, even walking/jogging nearby is great. the extra cardio will not burn muscle, especially not at higher bodyfat %s, it's simply a myth!

superquad does seem very good value and a decent product.

the other very important factor is obviously diet which you need to nail asap. normally i wouldn't hammer it in so much for a youngster but you have a clear goal to compete (which is a very good goal/vision!) so you wanna start taking it all professionally from the get go. nail this part and you can stop wasting your money on the ripped freak. if you really 'must' run a fat burner, run with something like green tea - heaps cheaper, with that extra savings you can consider fish oil (also excellent for your heart).

how much about your diet have you got sorted so far? things like calculating how much calories you need to eat per day and how to split them (carbs/protein/fat). the other important thing is timing, particularly in regards to carbs. carbs are not the devil as some of those articles will have you believe, you just need to control them in a smart fashion.

Agree with fellowship, dont waste your money on a fat burner! because u are starting out, you'll find you'll build all kinds of muscle and hence lose fat just from training hard and eating right. Supplements are just that!! supplements to a good diet, just train hard bro and your results will come hard and fast because u are new. Its when you have been training for 1,2,3 years that u need the extra help of " some" supplements to help, such as protein,creatine and when your tired...a pre workout. Dont get caught up on worrying about to many supplements, just keep to the basics. train hard, 60-80min weight training 4 days a week, moderate cardio, eat clean and 1-1.5 gram of protein per pound of lean body mass, which is around 135 grams atm for you.

Btw superquad is a good product but dont waste your money on a product like that, it's too expensive, look around and stay away from shotgun, punch and another site which i cant mention cause they are a sponsor on this website :oops: . For example....most of these "popular" websites sell shitty Myofusion for between $90-$100, but if you do your research u can go to xtremenutrition.co.nz and pay $79.

The reason i say shitty myofusion is most of the mix is rice protein, and because rice protein is so cheap, myofusion itself is cheap, hence the importer gets 5lb of it for around $20 into the country(obviously after buying in huge bulk), thats why so many companies push it,because they import it so cheap and can make a good buck on it, btw i got this info from a importer( a source i cannot name) :naughty: haha.

[vracula]

first off dont use shotgun supplements, they have a great range but are too expensive! use someone like bodybuilding.co.nz or xtremenutrition.co.nz,they are quite a bit cheaper. Also if you are gonna get a pre workout dont waste

huh? thought they were cheapest and u can get 5% off as well ,along with stellar shipping times and CS.

Iherb.com is another recommended site

use code ACU380 for 10$ off \:D/ :pfft:

got 10lbs f champion nutrion whey for 134 nzd along with a bottle of taurine.

On nutrition has a higher protein percentage than myofusion,

myofusion is highly highly overated,would not recommend it to anyone.

[jerume]

first off dont use shotgun supplements, they have a great range but are too expensive! use someone like bodybuilding.co.nz or xtremenutrition.co.nz,they are quite a bit cheaper. Also if you are gonna get a pre workout dont waste

huh? thought they were cheapest and u can get 5% off as well ,along with stellar shipping times and CS.

Iherb.com is another recommended site

use code ACU380 for 10$ off \:D/ :pfft:

got 10lbs f champion nutrion whey for 134 nzd along with a bottle of taurine.

On nutrition has a higher protein percentage than myofusion,

myofusion is highly highly overated,would not recommend it to anyone.

Mate shotgun is a ripoff, I order my stuff from US, wait 7 days, get my Opti-men shipped here for $35, it's $60 here, who cares about waiting 7 days, I only buy my protein here as because of the weight its too expensive to import.

Also totally agree about myofusion, would not recommend to anyone,just mainly rice and concentrate protein with a flash label and good taste, if you want a great taste have milo :pfft:

[PeterDolan]

Pre workout - Slayer and Lamb of God

Post workout - Sirloin + Kumara

Mate, at 16, I don't see any advantage to supplementation. Train harder and eat more, you will grow

[tinytraps]

Pre workout - Slayer and Lamb of God

Post workout - Sirloin + Kumara

Mate, at 16, I don't see any advantage to supplementation. Train harder and eat more, you will grow

Add in some pantera and you have the perfect pre wo stack.

[PeterDolan]

Pre workout - Slayer and Lamb of God

Post workout - Sirloin + Kumara

Mate, at 16, I don't see any advantage to supplementation. Train harder and eat more, you will grow

Add in some pantera and you have the perfect pre wo stack.

Repped

[vracula]

first off dont use shotgun supplements, they have a great range but are too expensive! use someone like bodybuilding.co.nz or xtremenutrition.co.nz,they are quite a bit cheaper. Also if you are gonna get a pre workout dont waste

huh? thought they were cheapest and u can get 5% off as well ,along with stellar shipping times and CS.

Iherb.com is another recommended site

use code ACU380 for 10$ off \:D/ :pfft:

got 10lbs f champion nutrion whey for 134 nzd along with a bottle of taurine.

On nutrition has a higher protein percentage than myofusion,

myofusion is highly highly overated,would not recommend it to anyone.

Mate shotgun is a ripoff, I order my stuff from US, wait 7 days, get my Opti-men shipped here for $35, it's $60 here, who cares about waiting 7 days, I only buy my protein here as because of the weight its too expensive to import.

Also totally agree about myofusion, would not recommend to anyone,just mainly rice and concentrate protein with a flash label and good taste, if you want a great taste have milo :pfft:

I was talking about the comparison to xtremenutrtion and bodybuilding . Co .nz

[severe]

Whey Protein Isolate (WPI) has less carbs than Whay Protein Concentrate (WPC) but costs a shitload more per kg.

As you are starting out, I reckon you should go for a cheap but quality protein WPC like the Nutratech one. I use it and if you get 3kgs you can get it for $100 from bodybuilding.co.nz.

Or todays deal here works out at $1 a serve and includes creatine and l-glutamine: http://dailysupps.co.nz/superquad10lb-ch-va-st

I wouldn't bother with a preworkout drink, except the music that motivates you (as said by Peter). If you really want to get into it, why not a sugar-free V half an hour before?

Though some of the soon to be banned products are around than $1 a dose at the moment. 1MR, Rage, Mutant Mayhem... But I feel the best products are post workout BCAA or protein, and more food in the day.

Working out WILL increase your appetite, so feed it. Good luck, and I wish I was serious at 16, instead of mucking around on and off.