this may interst some of you, regarding HRT

[mrgeeky]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/new ... d=10756268

[musclenz]

That is the best news men over 45 can read. I have personally fought with members of the medical profession & argued that there never has been any clinical evidence linking prostate cancer with testosterone administration & I have had surgeons give me a hard time & some endos agreed with me. This is indeed great news for men's health because low levels of test can be attributed to many physical & mental conditions in the male body. :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Optimass]

interesting but oct 2011 ... hasn't really had time to filter through to the mainstream. Will be years before NZ picks up the pace.

[Diab0lic]

[Markie]

How wouldbyo go about it ? do they use gels or injections ?

[mrgeeky]

How wouldbyo go about it ? do they use gels or injections ?

I think in the UK where HRT is quite big, the main scource is to use some sort of slow releasing implant. Unfortunately they are virtually unheard of in NZ..

In good old NZ the only really successful route is injecting.

[Android]

I'll never experience male menopause :-( a sad sad day indeed

[mrgeeky]

I'll never experience male menopause :-( a sad sad day indeed

You mean "when I do experience male menapause it will be a sad sad day indeed" lol

I struck that shit in my 40's.. couldnt figure out why I just couldnt get off my big fat lazy ass...

The difference when on HRT is truly amazing..

Oh well, at least one thing in your favour.. When it happens, at least you know the answer. There are millions of uneducated guyss out there that will probably never know what the hell is wrong with them..

[thatwaslight]

I'll never experience male menopause :-( a sad sad day indeed

You mean "when I do experience male menapause it will be a sad sad day indeed" lol

I struck that shit in my 40's.. couldnt figure out why I just couldnt get off my big fat lazy ass...

The difference when on HRT is truly amazing..

Oh well, at least one thing in your favour.. When it happens, at least you know the answer. There are millions of uneducated guyss out there that will probably never know what the hell is wrong with them..

when your on enough test to power a small town its not an issue....

[farrout]

How wouldbyo go about it ? do they use gels or injections ?

I think in the UK where HRT is quite big, the main scource is to use some sort of slow releasing implant. Unfortunately they are virtually unheard of in NZ..

In good old NZ the only really successful route is injecting.

You can get pellets implanted here with local anesthetic.

[mrgeeky]

How wouldbyo go about it ? do they use gels or injections ?

I think in the UK where HRT is quite big, the main scource is to use some sort of slow releasing implant. Unfortunately they are virtually unheard of in NZ..

In good old NZ the only really successful route is injecting.

You can get pellets implanted here with local anesthetic.

cheers for that farrout.. I never knew that!

Is it a route worth exploring?

I just checked the paper work and my test level was at 13 when I started HRT..

Can I ask, what are your Test levels are on your current regime!

Oh and what were you on at the mo? was it 250mg a week of test?

[mrgeeky]

quote]when your on enough test to power a small town its not an issue....

[farrout]

What put me off the implants were that the procedure could not be done locally & from memory were not subsidised.

Currently only 100mg Cypionate a week. Blood test taken last September one day before shot due was 29.86 nmol/L, so outside top of range all the time.

Levels before TRT were 6.9 nmol/L.

[mrgeeky]

What put me off the implants were that the procedure could not be done locally & from memory were not subsidised.

Currently only 100mg Cypionate a week. Blood test taken last September one day before shot due was 29.86 nmol/L, so outside top of range all the time.

Levels before TRT were 6.9 nmol/L.

cool, I would be happy with 29.86 nmol/L

Doctor told me to take 3 x 40mg caps of TEst Which would bring my levels to around 12 nmol/L

Instead of taking the 3 caps he wanted me to, im taking 7 caps per day.. That gets me basically feeling ok..

But Im going back to him to ask for what your on.. 100mg of Cypionate.. If that brings my every day levels up to 29ish.. I would be happy to live on that for the rest of my life... :grin:

Im just hoping like hell he'll oblige...

[mrgeeky]

Can HRT really work for men?by AMY ANDERSON, Daily Mail

Comments (0) Share HRT is a widespread treatment for women going through the menopause.

Now scientists are testing its effects on men, who, research has discovered, go through a similar dip in hormones at the age of 50.

Dr Probal Moulik, a research fellow from the Royal Liverpool University Hospital, and his team and Dr Sundeep Khosla, a researcher from the Mayo Clinic in America, will present their groundbreaking research on the effects of hormone replacement therapy for men at the British Endocrine Societies conference in Belfast.

Levels of the male hormone testosterone decrease as a result of the natural ageing process and, like women, levels of the male sex hormones start to decline after the age of 50.

The lowering of testosterone levels can cause both physical and emotional changes in men which include depression, mood swings, lowered sex drive or impotence, irritability, reduced muscle mass, weight gain, loss of energy and impaired memory.

According to Dr Moulik, testosterone replacement therapy was discovered five years ago for use on young men with abnormally low levels of the hormone.

Now, however, his new findings could pave the way for the use of testosterone in menopausal men. 'Until now we did not know why these changes occur in men when their testosterone levels went down,' says Dr Moulik.

'But our study may have found an explanation. We looked at a 28-year-old man with exceptionally low levels of testosterone and took a brain scan before starting testosterone replacement therapy for four months.

'Throughout his treatment we scanned his brain and noted that as testosterone levels rose, the amount of blood to his brain increased. By the time his HRT treatment was finished there was three times the volume of blood being supplied to his brain.

This would explain why men with lowered testosterone levels experience both emotional and physical changes. Less blood to the brain means neurological transmissions are slowed down.

'In effect, the whole metabolic function becomes sluggish, meaning that weight gain, loss of energy, loss of sex drive, as well as depression and memory loss, would be highly likely.

Now that we know the reason why testosterone has this effect on the body, we can start to think about developing a HRT drug for men.

'Soon we will start more brain scan trials on older men with naturally depleted levels to ascertain how much would needed for those going through the male menopause"

[farrout]

Can HRT really work for men?by AMY ANDERSON, Daily Mail

Comments (0) Share HRT is a widespread treatment for women going through the menopause.

Now scientists are testing its effects on men, who, research has discovered, go through a similar dip in hormones at the age of 50.

Dr Probal Moulik, a research fellow from the Royal Liverpool University Hospital, and his team and Dr Sundeep Khosla, a researcher from the Mayo Clinic in America, will present their groundbreaking research on the effects of hormone replacement therapy for men at the British Endocrine Societies conference in Belfast.

Levels of the male hormone testosterone decrease as a result of the natural ageing process and, like women, levels of the male sex hormones start to decline after the age of 50.

The lowering of testosterone levels can cause both physical and emotional changes in men which include depression, mood swings, lowered sex drive or impotence, irritability, reduced muscle mass, weight gain, loss of energy and impaired memory.

According to Dr Moulik, testosterone replacement therapy was discovered five years ago for use on young men with abnormally low levels of the hormone.

Now, however, his new findings could pave the way for the use of testosterone in menopausal men. 'Until now we did not know why these changes occur in men when their testosterone levels went down,' says Dr Moulik.

'But our study may have found an explanation. We looked at a 28-year-old man with exceptionally low levels of testosterone and took a brain scan before starting testosterone replacement therapy for four months.

'Throughout his treatment we scanned his brain and noted that as testosterone levels rose, the amount of blood to his brain increased. By the time his HRT treatment was finished there was three times the volume of blood being supplied to his brain.

This would explain why men with lowered testosterone levels experience both emotional and physical changes. Less blood to the brain means neurological transmissions are slowed down.

'In effect, the whole metabolic function becomes sluggish, meaning that weight gain, loss of energy, loss of sex drive, as well as depression and memory loss, would be highly likely.

Now that we know the reason why testosterone has this effect on the body, we can start to think about developing a HRT drug for men.

'Soon we will start more brain scan trials on older men with naturally depleted levels to ascertain how much would needed for those going through the male menopause"

Very interesting ...

It's called testosterone.

[mrgeeky]

Yep, its already been developed..

My doc was saying they are trialling a 6 weekly inject of test..

I might go look at that insert you were talking about farrout.

I think the problem with them is the test it realeases is probably going to be minimal..

[farrout]

Yep, its already been developed..

My doc was saying they are trialling a 6 weekly inject of test..

I might go look at that insert you were talking about farrout.

I think the problem with them is the test it realeases is probably going to be minimal..

I was offered that, it's 1000mg of test & wasn't subsidised at the time & was around 150 from memory.

[farrout]

I might go look at that insert you were talking about farrout.

Implanted pellets?

If so, don't think it was subsidised either & was around the 300-350 dollar mark.

[mrgeeky]

yep, thats them...

I guess it depends oh what sort of levels it gives and how long its lasts for whether its worth it or not..

[Growth]

Yep, its already been developed..

Yeah, like back in the 1980s? :?

[severe]

Still avoiding the inevitable injections? There's always pine pollen.

[mrgeeky]

Still avoiding the inevitable injections? There's always pine pollen.

haha, going to start on them soon but intend on asking about the inplant as well, they sound so easy. :-)