Gear and work drug testing

[Darkmanx]

Anyway, i dont know if this has been discussed before on the gear related side but im just curious if anyone knows the jist around using gear and getting work drug tested. I know they usually test for stimulants but does gear fall in that cat.

Cheers

[hhhh1]

as far as i am aware, no

[thatwaslight]

No way.

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[crazyfacials]

Take my reply with a grain of salt mate, but from my understanding it's a bit more expensive to do a juice drug testing than the meth/weed test you usually get when you're going for a job drug test

[DANIEL8]

i thought it was around 1k (give and take) per test for juice?? could be wrong mate. either way its expensive

[Android]

Either way you can still legitimately be on HRT with the men's clinic.

You could be fired if you signed something that said you're not to ever have abnormally high Test levels....but really?

Can't use a blanket "steroid" clause else you're stuffed when you take cortisone injections for valid joint pain.

Sounds like scare tactics...I'm pretty open about my use in the corporate world and call it HRT in front of CEOs and board members, it's pretty hard to not get noticed when you add 10kg in 10 weeks.

[Optimass]

privacy ... they would have to have a strong clause in your employment contract to force you to submit a test - and some proof. Basically its none of their business what "medication" you use to treat your abnormally low testosterone level. Also, in general terms testing would be only permisable in the event you were in control of a vehicle/machinery etc ... i.e dope/alcohol etc.

If its not in your contract they can't make you test.

[Darkmanx]

cheers for the replies fellas. Yeah this was just a precaution on my part as recently became a 'enahanced athlete' and ive gotta do work based drug testing for a job im gonna do. I knew from past experience that gear testing is expensive but this is a company that has money to do so but better to be safe that sorry.

[nate225]

If its not in your contract they can't make you test.

Sorry to call you out bro but this is incorrect.

Happy to start quoting case law on workplace drug testing if you need it! (AirNZ v EPMU, TLNZ v Maritime Union, NZSteel etc). I actually advise employers to keep it out of Employment Agreements & put in policy documents instead (consultation versus agreement/negotiation stuff).

Random Testing has the highest threshold, so as someone mentioned it is usually limited to "safety sensitive" area - good news for employers is that they get to deem what is safety sensitive (after consulting affected parties). Judge Colgan made some good points re: this in The TLNZ decision.

Back to the OP. No you wont get tested for AAS unless your job is still that of a professional athlete and your sport is signed to WADA etc (as it was with Rugby).

Some basic testing info can be found here for WDT, tho it may differ if using another provider (though standard still applies) http://www.esr.cri.nz/competencies/work ... gimes.aspx

[Diab0lic]

As said, unless the job is competitive-sport-related, they're just looking for cannabinoids and amphetamines, sometimes opiates and alcohol too.

[Terrymundo]

my profession involves pre-employment testing, random and incedent testing candidtaes and employees. We do instant(urine) and lab(blood) and have the strictest policy, we test 300+ substances of which AAS is not apart of. however numerous other substances that BBers often take can be tested for and can be grounds for misconduct. so do your homework on your companies policy to avoid being caught out. but with AAS you're pretty safe :wink:

[Darkmanx]

Cheers Nate and Terry. Also everyone else too. Well my days of elite or top level rugby are over now and dont have to worry about testing there. Im just into keeping fit, healthy and strong from now on.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

my profession involves pre-employment testing, random and incedent testing candidtaes and employees. We do instant(urine) and lab(blood) and have the strictest policy, we test 300+ substances of which AAS is not apart of. however numerous other substances that BBers often take can be tested for and can be grounds for misconduct. so do your homework on your companies policy to avoid being caught out. but with AAS you're pretty safe :wink:

hey man could you please list some of the more common substances you see which may cause issues?

[Terrymundo]

well I have heard of people taking alot of legal/illegal substances in bodybuilding most of which can be tested if required. Basically if you wanted to test for an AI ,SERM or a particular deurtic you would need to request the kit from aus or the states. Your employer would first need to know what hes looking for. 9 out of 9 times you will get the standard THC, cocaine, opiates, benzodiazepines, and ethanol. occasionally you will get one that checks for phencyclidine, pethidine, methadone, tramadol and barbiturates. I have heard of clen making it onto tests but never seen one, so just be advised. Slin and HGH are safe as far as I know.

[nate225]

my profession involves pre-employment testing, random and incedent testing candidtaes and employees. We do instant(urine) and lab(blood) and have the strictest policy, we test 300+ substances of which AAS is not apart of. however numerous other substances that BBers often take can be tested for and can be grounds for misconduct. so do your homework on your companies policy to avoid being caught out. but with AAS you're pretty safe :wink:

hey man could you please list some of the more common substances you see which may cause issues?

An old basic list from 2010:

CONFIRMATORY TEST CUT-OFF CONCENTRATIONS (as total drug): AS/NZS 4308:2008

Compound Cut-off level (micrograms/litre)

Morphine 300

Codeine 300

6-Acetylmorphine 10

Amphetamine 150

Methylamphetamine 150

Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine 150

Methylenedioxyamphetamine 150

Benzylpiperazine* 500

Ephedrine* 500

Phentermine * 500

Pseudoephedrine* 500

11-nor- 9- tetrahydrocannabinol-9- carboxylic acid 15

Benzoylecgonine 150

Ecgonine methyl ester 150

Oxazepam 200

Temazepam 200

Diazepam 200

Nordiazepam 200

α-hydroxy-alprazolam 100

7-amino-clonazepam 100

7-amino-flunitrazepam 100

7-amino-nitrazepam 100

* These drugs may be optionally tested within each class and the specified cut-off levels shall apply.

[soundsgood]

Excuse my ignorance at what is actually in the drugs, but what 'things BB commonly use' are going to show up in the tests Nate?

Clen? T3? AI's? Peptides? Diuretics or modiuretics? f*ck will Viagra show up?

[thatwaslight]

for those unaware its not uncommon for bbers to use things like p and obviously its pre cursors like ephedrine ect....

[soundsgood]

If you were taking an ECA stack you'd be fucked!

What about DNP or sleeping pills?

[nate225]

For Soundsgood! LOL

Compound

Morphine - may derive from any codeine product (or obviously morphine suphate / homebake heroin etc)

Codeine - from codeine based drugs e.g. panadeine, nurofen plus etc

6-Acetylmorphine - morphine metabolite

Amphetamine - self explanatory

Methylamphetamine - self explanatory

Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine - MDMA ecstasy

Methylenedioxyamphetamine - MDA ecstasy?

Benzylpiperazine* - BZP party pills or old thermos

Ephedrine* - ECA or thermos

Phentermine * - appetite suppressents / diet pills (in duromine I think?)Pseudoephedrine* - any of the old hayfever meds worth cooking meth from! LOL

11-nor- 9- tetrahydrocannabinol-9- carboxylic acid - cannabis metabolite

Benzoylecgonine - Cocaine metabolite

Ecgonine methyl ester - I'm assuming another coke metabolite, google it?

Oxazepam - benzodiazepine (chill pill / valium type meds)

Temazepam - benzodiazepine (chill pill / valium type meds)

Diazepam - benzodiazepine (chill pill / valium type meds)

Nordiazepam - benzodiazepine (chill pill / valium type meds)

α-hydroxy-alprazolam - I'm assuming benzo metabolite, google it?

7-amino-clonazepam - I'm assuming benzo metabolite, google it?

7-amino-flunitrazepam - I'm assuming benzo metabolite, google it?

7-amino-nitrazepam - I'm assuming benzo metabolite, google it?

Edited to highlight ones BBers may inadvertently take. Watch the sedative type things (sleeping pills etc) if you take these as may have benzo base.

[soundsgood]

That's for that Nate. Purely out of interest and I'm self employed anyway :grin:

[thatwaslight]

if i got tested theyd be adding a few things to that list...trolololol

[nate225]

if i got tested theyd be adding a few things to that list...trolololol

LOL - thats the standard list (or was in 2010), but could ask for specific stuff e.g. hallucinagens, solvents (that you TWL?! :pfft: ) on top of that.

Most of the synthetic cannabinoids are now testable, some stimulants currently out there are not as far as I'm aware.

[thatwaslight]

if i got tested theyd be adding a few things to that list...trolololol

LOL - thats the standard list (or was in 2010), but could ask for specific stuff e.g. hallucinagens, solvents (that you TWL?! :pfft: ) on top of that.

Most of the synthetic cannabinoids are now testable, some stimulants currently out there are not as far as I'm aware.

LMAO!! hahaha yep that's me!