Natural Health Products Bill

[Dinahlady]

Don't be hating on me!

If you all construct genuine arguments I can actually give them to my Dad and he can actually take them into account when he is creating the systems that will regulate the products.

In other words. You are all complaining. Any helpful suggestions??

And like I said protein isn't affected it is classed as a food. I don't think things like creatine or BCAAs etc would be counted. Not sure what else would be excluded but I dont think the bill was formulated to focus on bodybuilding supplements tbh.

Surely its better this way anyway, surely increased testing of products can only be a good thing as then companies are going to value the scientific measure of products more possibly leading to discovery/invention of new products that are going to be more helpful than companies just scamming everyone?!?

[hhhh1]

dinah please tell ur dad to back off. i dont care that its his job. if he gets my vitamin C banned his new job will be sourcing it overseas then bringing it through customs and personally delivering them to me at my home address. free of charge.

please respond.

[Dinahlady]

I will let him know. Just so you know my dad uses supps too and goes to the gym.. As much as someone his age can!

Thank god he's not some bigwig in a suit who is in the pocket of some international companies or is corrupt like you see a lot of in NZ! Surely that could only be worse.

Anyway he's just a manager in charge of implementing the bill he didnt create it. He's not just sat there like. "Rule number one: you can only have x amount of vitimin C in NZ at one time unless its April where the requirement for vitimin C is higher per person"

[hhhh1]

I will let him know. Just so you know my dad uses supps too and goes to the gym.. As much as someone his age can!

Thank god he's not some bigwig in a suit who is in the pocket of some international companies or is corrupt like you see a lot of in NZ! Surely that could only be worse.

Anyway he's just a manager in charge of implementing the bill he didnt create it. He's not just sat there like. "Rule number one: you can only have x amount of vitimin C in NZ at one time unless its April where the requirement for vitimin C is higher per person"

i am well aware of how the legislature of this country works and from this awareness i know that your dad is the one that made up the bill.

(not srs)

also i didnt think nz was all that bad for corporate corruption...compared to america especially

[dmcb]

I will let him know. Just so you know my dad uses supps too and goes to the gym.. As much as someone his age can!

Thank god he's not some bigwig in a suit who is in the pocket of some international companies or is corrupt like you see a lot of in NZ! Surely that could only be worse.

Anyway he's just a manager in charge of implementing the bill he didnt create it. He's not just sat there like. "Rule number one: you can only have x amount of vitimin C in NZ at one time unless its April where the requirement for vitimin C is higher per person"

what did i miss?

[HarryB]

Don't be hating on me!

If you all construct genuine arguments I can actually give them to my Dad and he can actually take them into account when he is creating the systems that will regulate the products.

In other words. You are all complaining. Any helpful suggestions??

And like I said protein isn't affected it is classed as a food. I don't think things like creatine or BCAAs etc would be counted. Not sure what else would be excluded but I dont think the bill was formulated to focus on bodybuilding supplements tbh.

Surely its better this way anyway, surely increased testing of products can only be a good thing as then companies are going to value the scientific measure of products more possibly leading to discovery/invention of new products that are going to be more helpful than companies just scamming everyone?!?

I agree with the regulatory process but not when it's too broad. We already have quality controls in place which are not policed very efficiently so maybe better tax money would be spent on policing what we do have in place rather than trying to put more blanket acts in place which are really only designed to limit our (taxpayer) choices and make sure we keep our money going to the pharmaceutical industries. Way to make us fork out more money for shit we don't want or need. Who even thinks to put the action in place.. oh hang on vested interest pharmaceutical companies.

Govt processes = vested interest = 0 credibility.

Thanks again Dinahdad.

[Darkmanx]

A famous comedian once said "the goverment dont want you to use your drugs, they want you to use their drugs". Basically i dont care if anyones dad or aunti or gramdma or whatever is overseing or help implementing the bill, our voices in this country means fuckall, doesnt matter what you say or do or how many say or do. The gov is out for themselves. That bill is just the suger caoting of what the gov is really wanting to achieve. And guess what that is...

Linking their own fuckin pockets and let no one have jack shit. I would pay to see the actuall cost of what its cost the gov to regulate this bill compared to amount of people that is supposedly getting sick from dodgy supplements and the gov has to fork the costs. So yes no offence Dinahdad but fuckoff.

[hhhh1]

what did i miss?

i will provide cliffs:

1) dinahs dad CEO of nz

2) is corrupt (on pharma companies payroll)

3) introduces bill banning all supplements

4) everybody mad at dinah's dad and also dinah

[Darkmanx]

Oh yeah and forgot to mention the amount of businesses that might go under.

[Dinahlady]

Don't be hating on me!

If you all construct genuine arguments I can actually give them to my Dad and he can actually take them into account when he is creating the systems that will regulate the products.

In other words. You are all complaining. Any helpful suggestions??

And like I said protein isn't affected it is classed as a food. I don't think things like creatine or BCAAs etc would be counted. Not sure what else would be excluded but I dont think the bill was formulated to focus on bodybuilding supplements tbh.

Surely its better this way anyway, surely increased testing of products can only be a good thing as then companies are going to value the scientific measure of products more possibly leading to discovery/invention of new products that are going to be more helpful than companies just scamming everyone?!?

I agree with the regulatory process but not when it's too broad. We already have quality controls in place which are not policed very efficiently so maybe better tax money would be spent on policing what we do have in place rather than trying to put more blanket acts in place which are really only designed to limit our (taxpayer) choices and make sure we keep our money going to the pharmaceutical industries. Way to make us fork out more money for shit we don't want or need. Who even thinks to put the action in place.. oh hang on vested interest pharmaceutical companies.

Govt processes = vested interest = 0 credibility.

Thanks again Dinahdad.

No there are no regulations like this for natural health products in NZ !

[HarryB]

what did i miss?

i will provide cliffs:

1) dinahs dad CEO of nz

2) is corrupt (on pharma companies payroll)

3) introduces bill banning all supplements

4) everybody mad at dinah's dad and also dinah

Very accurate summary!!

[Dinahlady]

what did i miss?

i will provide cliffs:

1) dinahs dad CEO of nz

2) is corrupt (on pharma companies payroll)

3) introduces bill banning all supplements

4) everybody mad at dinah's dad and also dinah

Yeah he's also the main gear dealer of Welly I'm juicing all sorts this is just another venture thats going to fuel my thousands of dollars worth of GH a year.

[Dinahlady]

Don't be hating on me!

If you all construct genuine arguments I can actually give them to my Dad and he can actually take them into account when he is creating the systems that will regulate the products.

In other words. You are all complaining. Any helpful suggestions??

And like I said protein isn't affected it is classed as a food. I don't think things like creatine or BCAAs etc would be counted. Not sure what else would be excluded but I dont think the bill was formulated to focus on bodybuilding supplements tbh.

Surely its better this way anyway, surely increased testing of products can only be a good thing as then companies are going to value the scientific measure of products more possibly leading to discovery/invention of new products that are going to be more helpful than companies just scamming everyone?!?

I agree with the regulatory process but not when it's too broad. We already have quality controls in place which are not policed very efficiently so maybe better tax money would be spent on policing what we do have in place rather than trying to put more blanket acts in place which are really only designed to limit our (taxpayer) choices and make sure we keep our money going to the pharmaceutical industries. Way to make us fork out more money for shit we don't want or need. Who even thinks to put the action in place.. oh hang on vested interest pharmaceutical companies.

Govt processes = vested interest = 0 credibility.

Thanks again Dinahdad.

No there are no regulations like this for natural health products in NZ !

Or ones that do shit all for ex they found drugs, chemicals and steroids (Inb4 this is awesome) in some herbal products.

[HarryB]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I lost interest already, we can't stop it, welcome to my world guys, you can't buy anything that works, might as well just gas.

Thanks Dinahdad for pushing us all onto steroids lol

Jokes.. sorry Dinahlady but I think you will find the industry is supposed to be regulated it just isn't policed, however no one has died from it.

Maybe a bill banning ciggies and booze... or is that too much tax revenue?

You can see why we are all jaded!

[Dinahlady]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I lost interest already, we can't it, welcome to my world guys, you can't buy anything that works, might as well just gas.

Thanks Dinahdad for pushing us all onto steroids lol

Jokes.. sorry Dinahlady but I think you will find the industry is supposed to be regulated it just isn't policed, however no one has died from it.

Maybe a bill banning ciggies and booze... or is that too much tax revenue?

You can see why we are all jaded!

Yeah I didnt really respond well to what you said/take it in properly. I'll actually ask my Dad about the cost to taxpayer etc it is a dece point.

Banning ciggies and booze unfortunately is not my Dads job but I'm sure theres people in the ministry who want that to be a reality but it is not in their control!

[bang_bang]

Oh look! Another layer of regulation that kills ingenuity, keeps products from the market, and gives the government more control.

How have we survived without it? Have any of us grown another limb?

Dinahlady...tell your dad to stay out of our lives.

Repped!!! What a waste of taxpayers dollars. Anyone stupid enough to take the products this bill is designed to outlaw will find something else equally stupid to spend their taxpayer funded income on. Not to mention it looks harmless at 1st but where will it lead? Why don't the government do something useful like ban tobacco.

But really it warms my heart people like dinahdad (lol Nate) can live a comfortable lifestyle at my expense!

Edit: just read whole thread, Harryb my thoughts exactly! Repped.

[Wookie]

Banning ciggies and booze unfortunately is not my Dads job but I'm sure theres people in the ministry who want that to be a reality but it is not in their control!

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If people want to booze themselves into the ground, and smoke till their lungs give way...they should be allowed to, up until it removes someone else's liberties. If you want to wreck yourself, then you should pay for it.

But getting things banned cause the government wants to force you to make good choices is a big darn waste of taxpayer money and intrudes on our freedoms.

I was gutted when Kronic got banned. Not cause I wanted to use it, but cause it was doing a solid job providing a legal alternative to black market weed, a fraction of which is pushed by complete low lives...for the simple reason that the government decided to make it illegal. The gangs support keeping drugs illegal for that very reason.

I guess you can say I don't like government bureaucracy much.

[nate225]

I was gutted when Kronic got banned. Not cause I wanted to use it, but cause it was doing a solid job providing a legal alternative to black market weed, a fraction of which is pushed by complete low lives...for the simple reason that the government decided to make it illegal. The gangs support keeping drugs illegal for that very reason.

Gee - I wonder if someone got to Kronic management & said get this shit banned or you'll be the one off the shelf! :pfft: :grin: Nek minute....oooops we got illegal benzo's in our product....market must be poorly regulated....action needed!! LOLOLOL

[Dinahlady]

Okay so a few things....

This will not cost taxpayers anything. The companies are the ones who have to pay to create evidence that their products are safe, true to claim and true to label.

Secondly, it will not affect any of the big label brands as they already comply with standards like this....

Its only going to affect small companies who distribute to or in NZ.

[hhhh1]

lol everyone has moved on and is now mad that your dad is payed with taxpayer money

[Dinahlady]

Its not the only part of my Dads job LOL! Just a task he has been given. but its true we are living off your taxes smd

[AgentOrange]

[Wookie]

Okay so a few things....

This will not cost taxpayers anything. The companies are the ones who have to pay to create evidence that their products are safe, true to claim and true to label.

Secondly, it will not affect any of the big label brands as they already comply with standards like this....

Its only going to affect small companies who distribute to or in NZ.

So small companies are getting hit with extra expenses.

And you're saying that's a good thing? How are they supposed to hire more staff and pay workers more if they're getting hit with extra expenses?

I can't believe what I'm reading...

[Dinahlady]

Its a good thing if they are conning people by putting drugs in thier herbs. or not even putting herbs in their herbs. Its the con artists making things shit for everyone. Not the regulators. boo.

[Todd]

I dont think the big overseas companies are going to bother changing labels just so their products can be sold in NZ, looks like Horleys and Balance going to do well out of this.

Also companies who import rather than buy from distributors are going to surely go under as they are tightening up on importing as well.