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Have you guys heard of this bill? If it goes ahead I think we will be seeing a lot of products no longer available in NZ. Definately will hurt a few businesses etc

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/gov ... whole.html

From reading that it looks like its mostly to do with manufacturers in NZ that has to comply with alot of things since it sounds like its to do with the exported health products. But im certain it will have some effect on importing health products as well. But this is nothing new to NZ since they just about ban anything that can possibly help you live healtier if you a person that uses dietary supplements. Its like the goverment wants you to be on prescription medicine. Guess why. They are in the pocket of some of the biggest pharmacieuticle companies in the world.

They are actually starting to do the same in the states at this very moment. The FDA is calling for all dietary supplement manufacturers to prove that their products do work instead of the other way around. From what i heard from a source they even tryng to stop bloody vitamins from being sold but i dont know if thats exactly the truth. See the thing is too many compaies claim their products work miracles but does nothing and as a result alot are getting sued and also the fact that atletes that are getting tested possitive for banned substances all the time when claiming they used a ligitimate supplement, and you know that there ones out there that are contaminated. You just dont hear about it often enough.

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Haha! This is my Dads job to manage implementing the bill. He siad things have to be regulated because there are companies who are putting natural supps out there saying that they contain ingredients which aren't actually in there at all. i.e saying they contain 200mg of vitimin C but they actually don't.

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Haha! This is my Dads job to manage implementing the bill. He siad things have to be regulated because there are companies who are putting natural supps out there saying that they contain ingredients which aren't actually in there at all. i.e saying they contain 200mg of vitimin C but they actually don't.

Thats exatly what the problem is in NZ. Everything is getting regulated in to an extent that you just about cant even take a shit without asking.

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Haha! This is my Dads job to manage implementing the bill. He siad things have to be regulated because there are companies who are putting natural supps out there saying that they contain ingredients which aren't actually in there at all. i.e saying they contain 200mg of vitimin C but they actually don't.

Thats exatly what the problem is in NZ. Everything is getting regulated in to an extent that you just about cant even take a shit without asking.

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As an employer I think thats a bloody good idea!

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just read through the bill.

looks like its mainly to stop scamming phaggots making false/unproven 'health benefit' claims in advertising/packaging and making low quality/questionable products.

Principles

This Act is based on the following principles:

(a) that natural health products must be fit for human consumption or use:

(b) that the regulation of natural health products must be proportionate to the risks associated with their use:

© that natural health products must be accompanied by information that is accurate and tells consumers about the risks and benefits of using the product.

its only for substances marketed as "natural health products" which contain only ingredients listed in scedule (unless new ingredient is approved for use in natural product).

doesnt cover anything injectable...

TL;DR:

move along...nothing to see here

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Have you guys heard of this bill? If it goes ahead I think we will be seeing a lot of products no longer available in NZ. Definately will hurt a few businesses etc

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/gov ... whole.html

From reading that it looks like its mostly to do with manufacturers in NZ that has to comply with alot of things since it sounds like its to do with the exported health products. But im certain it will have some effect on importing health products as well. But this is nothing new to NZ since they just about ban anything that can possibly help you live healtier if you a person that uses dietary supplements. Its like the goverment wants you to be on prescription medicine. Guess why. They are in the pocket of some of the biggest pharmacieuticle companies in the world.

They are actually starting to do the same in the states at this very moment. The FDA is calling for all dietary supplement manufacturers to prove that their products do work instead of the other way around. From what i heard from a source they even tryng to stop bloody vitamins from being sold but i dont know if thats exactly the truth. See the thing is too many compaies claim their products work miracles but does nothing and as a result alot are getting sued and also the fact that atletes that are getting tested possitive for banned substances all the time when claiming they used a ligitimate supplement, and you know that there ones out there that are contaminated. You just dont hear about it often enough.

yea i heard about this as well re the states but that was ages ago, thought it was just a rumour or something until you brought it up again. sounds scary tbh.... a lot of companies just wont be able to go through the loops to 'prove' their protein supplement works and those who do will surely be ramping costs up greatly. do you know what stages this bill is in?

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just read through the bill.

looks like its mainly to stop scamming phaggots making false/unproven 'health benefit' claims in advertising/packaging and making low quality/questionable products.

Principles

This Act is based on the following principles:

(a) that natural health products must be fit for human consumption or use:

(b) that the regulation of natural health products must be proportionate to the risks associated with their use:

© that natural health products must be accompanied by information that is accurate and tells consumers about the risks and benefits of using the product.

its only for substances marketed as "natural health products" which contain only ingredients listed in scedule (unless new ingredient is approved for use in natural product).

doesnt cover anything injectable...

TL;DR:

move along...nothing to see here

As far as I'm aware its more about what is going in to the shit you are paying for and if it is actually in there and as far as I know its nothing to do with regulating substances coming in and out of the country thats a totally different area. If you are buying a product that claims to have ingredients that are beneficial then surely you want those things actually to be in there? Currently its not regulated at all so companies could be putting or not putting anything into them. Its just about creating standards to protect the public more than anything. As far as I know the only people protesting against it are the companies creating the products as they wish to continue to rip people off by stuffing all kinds of nothing into their products for cheaps and selling it as something else instead of the real thing.

I can't speak for the people who decided to propose or write the bill but my Dad is managing creating the standards that will be put in place and he is in no way in the pocket of any pharma companies he's just a massive hippie.

They are meeting with parliament soon to see if the bill will be passed or not.

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The bill its just making sure products are safe, true to label and true to claim. There are loads out there making crazy claims and that have drugs in them etc. or have nothing in them and people are paying loads for.

Protein isn't included in the bill it counts as a food.

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As far as I'm aware its more about what is going in to the shit you are paying for and if it is actually in there and as far as I know its nothing to do with regulating substances coming in and out of the country thats a totally different area. If you are buying a product that claims to have ingredients that are beneficial then surely you want those things actually to be in there? Currently its not regulated at all so companies could be putting or not putting anything into them. Its just about creating standards to protect the public more than anything. As far as I know the only people protesting against it are the companies creating the products as they wish to continue to rip people off by stuffing all kinds of nothing into their products for cheaps and selling it as something else instead of the real thing.

I can't speak for the people who decided to propose or write the bill but my Dad is managing creating the standards that will be put in place and he is in no way in the pocket of any pharma companies he's just a massive hippie.

They are meeting with parliament soon to see if the bill will be passed or not.

The bill its just making sure products are safe, true to label and true to claim. There are loads out there making crazy claims and that have drugs in them etc. or have nothing in them and people are paying loads for.

Protein isn't included in the bill it counts as a food.

repped (for actually having understanding/reading comprehension skills).

also if you are buying 'natural health products' to the extent that the passing of this bill will actually effect your life all i can say is be happy that the bill is protecting dumb cunts like yourself.

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My 2c worth, it's probably a good thing... out there beyond the gym there's a whole bunch of folk, from the desperately ill who'll try any remedy, to the "worried well" who're healthy, but take supps 'to be sure', to the lazy sods who just want the magic thin-pill or six-pack ointment without having to sweat or manage their diet, or those who figure 'if Ronnie says it's good"...

Preventing misleading claims (such as "tested by professionals" - what does that mean?) and making sure that the product is true to label, are both worthwhile objectives.

Of course, if it means that supplement companies can no longer obscure the exact make-up of their "Proprietary blend" of ingredients, then we may see a drop-off in the variety of supps as manufacturers opt not to expose their blend.

Oh, and when something new comes on-line in the US or elsewhere, this Bill means it couldn't go on sale until either the Authority declares it safe, or fails to ban it within 90 days of being notified..

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just read through the bill.

looks like its mainly to stop scamming phaggots making false/unproven 'health benefit' claims in advertising/packaging and making low quality/questionable products.

Principles

This Act is based on the following principles:

(a) that natural health products must be fit for human consumption or use:

(b) that the regulation of natural health products must be proportionate to the risks associated with their use:

© that natural health products must be accompanied by information that is accurate and tells consumers about the risks and benefits of using the product.

its only for substances marketed as "natural health products" which contain only ingredients listed in scedule (unless new ingredient is approved for use in natural product).

doesnt cover anything injectable...

TL;DR:

move along...nothing to see here

As far as I'm aware its more about what is going in to the shit you are paying for and if it is actually in there and as far as I know its nothing to do with regulating substances coming in and out of the country thats a totally different area. If you are buying a product that claims to have ingredients that are beneficial then surely you want those things actually to be in there? Currently its not regulated at all so companies could be putting or not putting anything into them. Its just about creating standards to protect the public more than anything. As far as I know the only people protesting against it are the companies creating the products as they wish to continue to rip people off by stuffing all kinds of nothing into their products for cheaps and selling it as something else instead of the real thing.

I can't speak for the people who decided to propose or write the bill but my Dad is managing creating the standards that will be put in place and he is in no way in the pocket of any pharma companies he's just a massive hippie.

They are meeting with parliament soon to see if the bill will be passed or not.

Whilst I agree that the positive aspect of this Bill is to protect users it does not get away from the fact that this is a new Regulatory Body within the Ministry of Health that will have the power to ban natural health compounds coming in from overseas for the manufacture of health products in NZ, where they see that it does not have the necessary endorsement & accreditation. To me it seems that this is verging on the FDA's control over pharmaceuticals in the USA & there attempts to get control over health products as well. Maybe I'm totally wrong. I hope I am.
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I don't think its as serious as that I just think if a product is like "It will make you lose 8lbs in 2 days" then they will be like wtf how and just ask for some kind of back up explanation or even just a history of the herb. Even like Chinese medecine herbs have all been documented for their general usage and effects or any type of natural product. If a product says "can help fight colds and flu" and its an echinacea or huang qi product then fair enough those plants are generally used for common cold.

But if its a body of regulation they are going to have resources to just look at what they companies are claiming and see if its completely outrageous or not. If they say 89% of people lost 8lbs in 2 days ... if they have any type of evidence of this then sure they can say that even if it means putting some small print like "shown in a study of 20 women aged between 24 and 36" or something. But if they don't have any evidence then shit like that obviously shouldnt be printed on packaging or advertisments.

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Oh look! Another layer of regulation that kills ingenuity, keeps products from the market, and gives the government more control.

How have we survived without it? Have any of us grown another limb?

Dinahlady...tell your dad to stay out of our lives.

LOL!!!

Isn't it funny how whilst they say the act if passed is only covering certain things, we know it's going to have a much broader range than it states.

Or at least that's what's happened over here in aus.

You poor saps won't be able to buy any decent supplements soon and everyone will just have to save their coin and take steroids.

Thanks Heaps Dinahdad.

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You poor saps won't be able to buy any decent supplements soon and everyone will just have to save their coin and take steroids.

Thanks Heaps Dinahdad.

InB4LegislationdraftedbyTitandealers! :pfft: :grin:

Seriously though, you wonder how much vested interest is in this one, pharmaceutical companies & doctors will be loving more script / pharmacy only stuff! :nod:

Seems almost on a par with the herbal highs "mistake".... ooops we put a sedative in our products, now there's no choice but to ban them all.... InB4organisedcrimelosingtoomuchmoneyfromOTCdrugs! :pfft: :grin:

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