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[Vader69]

edit fk this thread people taking it wrong way nvm

[Mrbig]

you wouldnt be the first kid to do it but what your doing is working so why change it and potentially screw yourself up wait until you dont gain anymore then maybe think about what else you can do

but end of the day its your choice and you will do what you think is right for you

[musclenz]

If My goal is to get as big as I possibly can in the shortest amount of time should I just jump on the tren and slin is there really any point doing lighter compounds first. would you not reccomend this for an 18 yo ?

or do you think id be fine?

The fact that you are asking this question is very disturbing. M8 you should not even be on gear let alone doing slin & tren. Do you want to have children in a few years? I don't think so if you keep throwing everything into your body without any concern for your future. I know that there is a growing trend to get big & use AAS at an ever increasing young age, but Vader you need to respect this stuff. You are playing with your bodies hormonal & endocrine systems. You can do a lot of damage to these if you go too hard especially when as young as you are. Yes you have got a good body but be careful not to go over the top or you may live (or not live) to regret it.

[Riccardo]

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[tomsammce]

Do any of you have evidence that proves doing aas at 18/19 years of age is any worse for you than 28/29 years of age? Or is it just a moral opinion?

I started when I was 2months into my 19th year of life, lm fine. When I was 20/21 I was on deca, tren, slin all that shit... Maybe not together but I used it all.

Not saying it's right thing to do but there are more dangerous things he could be doing.

[nate225]

Do any of you have evidence that proves doing aas at 18/19 years of age is any worse for you than 28/29 years of age? Or is it just a moral opinion?

I started when I was 2months into my 19th year of life, lm fine. When I was 20/21 I was on deca, tren, slin all that shit... Maybe not together but I used it all.

Do any of you have evidence that proves this? Or is it just a moral opinion? :pfft: :pfft: :grin: :grin:

[I Declare War]

Do any of you have evidence that proves doing aas at 18/19 years of age is any worse for you than 28/29 years of age? Or is it just a moral opinion?

I started when I was 2months into my 19th year of life, lm fine. When I was 20/21 I was on deca, tren, slin all that shit... Maybe not together but I used it all.

Not saying it's right thing to do but there are more dangerous things he could be doing.

It can only be moral opinion Tom. The majority of guys have finished growing by the time they reach 18.

Really though, are you sure you can say you're fine? If you fully come off now are you sure you'll ever even regain your natural hormonal system to within even 75% of what it would be had you not touched gear. Something to think about. Are you even sure you're fertile?

[Vader69]

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[Vader69]

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[Android]

Re: is there any point in waiting??

yes and no

[Vader69]

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[musclenz]

Do any of you have evidence that proves doing aas at 18/19 years of age is any worse for you than 28/29 years of age? Or is it just a moral opinion?

I started when I was 2months into my 19th year of life, lm fine. When I was 20/21 I was on deca, tren, slin all that shit... Maybe not together but I used it all.

Not saying it's right thing to do but there are more dangerous things he could be doing.

Looks like it stunted your growth M8. Maybe you should have waited until 28/29 & you might have been big enough :dancing:

[tomsammce]

Do any of you have evidence that proves doing aas at 18/19 years of age is any worse for you than 28/29 years of age? Or is it just a moral opinion?

I started when I was 2months into my 19th year of life, lm fine. When I was 20/21 I was on deca, tren, slin all that shit... Maybe not together but I used it all.

Not saying it's right thing to do but there are more dangerous things he could be doing.

Looks like it stunted your growth M8. Maybe you should have waited until 28/29 & you might have been big enough :dancing:

at least I can put gel in my hair.

[nate225]

Kinda what Android said.

If you're ready to do what you have to do, and you're going in eyes wide open, and happy to trade the potential risks for the reward, go for it.

If not, or you are unsure, dont.

Food for thought:

1996 NPC HeavyWeight

1 Craig Titus - in jail after drug fucked shit went bad and murdered maid / girlfriend

2 Tom Prince - kidneys failed

3 Edgar Fletcher - just about died in hospital preparing for a comp

4 Gerard Dente - has own supplement company

5 Garrett Downing - works in public health

6 Darryl Thornton ?

7 David Palumbo - still active in the BBing scene as a trainer/nutritionist

8 Ron Flowers ?

9 Jimmy Lee (3) ?

10 Curtis Leffler - died cardiac issue

Roll the dice bro! :pfft: :grin:

[nate225]

edit fk this thread people taking it wrong way nvm

LOL - I was quite serious bro. Who are any of us, bar your family or doctor, to tell you whats right for you.

You just have to be aware of potential risks, and accept them as possibilities if you run the gauntlet.

Nothing worse than someone crying & seeking pity when it all turns to shit and they knew the risk anyway. Steve Michalik, Lyle Azado (sorry to speak ill of the dead), Floyd Landis etc

[severe]

Who are any of us, bar your family or doctor, to tell you whats right for you.

Doctors? They are full of shit at the best of time. How many doctors know anything about nutrition? They are taught to prescribe X drug for Y problem. The are a Jack of all trades, master of none. They are subject to lack of information bias as well.

Vader has to do what all of us here do, and that is make our bed and sleep in it. for better or worse, whether we shit in it or not.

IMO Vader, if you are still gaining quality lean mass, even just month by month the scales move, then stick with the current regime.

No need to go higher, before you have exausted your potential with what you are doing, surely?

Another 'opinion' I have is that you need to bring your weaker body parts up and achieve a symmetry holistically before changing gears for what you intend.

How are those quads coming along?

[Vader69]

edit fk this thread people taking it wrong way nvm

LOL - I was quite serious bro. Who are any of us, bar your family or doctor, to tell you whats right for you.

You just have to be aware of potential risks, and accept them as possibilities if you run the gauntlet.

Nothing worse than someone crying & seeking pity when it all turns to shit and they knew the risk anyway. Steve Michalik, Lyle Azado (sorry to speak ill of the dead), Floyd Landis etc

lol when did i say i was gona take as much shit as pro bodybuilders I dont want to be a pro bbr

im just a gym junkie liek twl or tom ect

[severe]

im just a gym junkie liek twl or tom ect

Made me think of this:

I am sure there is strong logic in there somewhere.

[I Declare War]

Vader, if you go at it with the "I'm just a gym junkie attitude" you might not set enough boundaries for your self regarding usage etc. Be careful... you've got the attitude for that... mightn't end up productive in the end if you just go at it like that. I'm sort of the same as you in that regard bro, other than I sometimes joke that I might eventually do a bodybuilding competition. Just using the drugs to get big gets a bit same old same old after a while. You might need a goal like twl the king hustler stripper or tom the crossfit monster... something to make it worthwhile. :grin:

[Vader69]

Vader, if you go at it with the "I'm just a gym junkie attitude" you might not set enough boundaries for your self regarding usage etc. Be careful... you've got the attitude for that... mightn't end up productive in the end if you just go at it like that. I'm sort of the same as you in that regard bro, other than I sometimes joke that I might eventually do a bodybuilding competition. Just using the drugs to get big gets a bit same old same old after a while. You might need a goal like twl the king hustler stripper or tom the crossfit monster... something to make it worthwhile. :grin:

want to look like greg valintino or markus ruhl

[I Declare War]

Vader, if you go at it with the "I'm just a gym junkie attitude" you might not set enough boundaries for your self regarding usage etc. Be careful... you've got the attitude for that... mightn't end up productive in the end if you just go at it like that. I'm sort of the same as you in that regard bro, other than I sometimes joke that I might eventually do a bodybuilding competition. Just using the drugs to get big gets a bit same old same old after a while. You might need a goal like twl the king hustler stripper or tom the crossfit monster... something to make it worthwhile. :grin:

want to look like greg valintino or markus ruhl

I prescribe you synthol + every bodybuilding drug there is.

read this http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mielke42.htm

[nate225]

SEO's will be your friend Vader! :pfft: :grin:

[Growth]

Here is a great adage that might help.

You want to take the least amount of gear to achieve the goals you want.

It puts everything into perspective. If you want to be a pro bb, you know what you have to do, if you want to be the biggest guy in your gym, you know what you have to do, if you want to be Mr. Aesthetics NZ, you know what you have to do.

I see threads here all the time where people are like, oh it's my first cycle, im doing 500mg Test / week, and 0.5mg Letro / day. It's like, why are you planning on taking Letro everyday when you have no idea if you even need it. There is no point putting an excess of any of this stuff into your system if you dont require it to reach you goal.

Take Tom's recent cycle and result, seems to me like he knows his shit, took only what was necessary in order to acieve the goal he had set.

Like others have alluded to you need a goal, and then and only then will you know what you need to take in order to get there.

[Chemo]

Wow, savage beat down.

Couldn't someone even offer a logical step towards progression?

Double your tribulus intake brah 8) 8) :pfft: :pfft:

If you want to push your results, you could try something as simple as adding an ancillary. Prov, stanz, dbol/anadrolol.

If you wanted to try tren, then try it at a low dosage. I remember Tom had mentioned he used it at a lower dose and still noticed the effects. Must be that apollo tren

Just be prepared to monitor your estro/gyno and get ready to counter it if it becomes a problem.

Is adding a compound or two so bad after being though a cycle?

Setting limits is great but Vader is nowhere near a dangerous dose of AAS at the moment. Why lecture him already, instead of offering options.

my 1cent, dont flame at my immaturity

[Growth]

Wow, savage beat down.

Couldn't someone even offer a logical step towards progression?

Savage beat down? Bro, are we reading the same thread? With the exception of a couple of posts, everyone provided good quality insight into what the OP asked.

Did you even read what the original post was? He asked if he was looking to get as big as possible in the smallest amount of time, should he skip the 'lighter' compunds and go straight to Tren and Slin, he didn't ask for logical steps of progression, he was asking the exact opposite.

He also asked asked if people would recommend Tren and Slin to an 18 y/o.

Hardly a savage beatdown, seems like you missed the context of the thread.