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joey pineapples

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After reading a poster who drinks 5 packets of raro for breakfast, what is generally worse for the body, sugar (apart from after training) or fat? Also, a lot of the research on saturated fat tends to be on Animals that have been grain fed, grass fed beef seems to have better omega 3 to 6 ratios. These days, I wonder about the the quality of omega 3 from farmed fish e.g farmed salmon fed on grain.

Any insight?

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It all depends on how much of either you eat. Neither are inherently bad for you. Fat obviously has a load more calories so there is that to consider. Eating too much fat will raise your blood triglyceride levels into what is generally considered as an unhealthy range, raising your risk of a major adverse cardiovascular event. Eating saturated fat is not bad for you, however eting too much is. The belief tht is is bad for you is a throwback to days gone by when people thought that eating cholesterol raises blood cholesterol levels (it doesn't so eat dem egg yolks).

Omega-3 fatty acids in fish are derived from the plants they eat. In wild salmon, the amount and type of omega-3s found are based on the algae and plankton found in their diet. In farmed salmon, the omega-3 levels are dependent on what type of feed they eat, which is made from plants, grains, and fishmeal. Farmed salmon fillets contain as many grams of omega-3 fatty acids as wild salmon because farmed salmon are fattier than wild salmon.

New feeds are being developed with less fishmeal in them and more protein derived from grains and oilseeds, such as soybeans. Fish oil is also being partially replaced with plant-derived oils. In general, the more plant-based ingredients, the lower the level of long-chain omega-3 fats in the salmon. However, fish are fed feeds containing enough fish oil to maintain omega-3 fatty acid levels equivalent or higher than most wild fish.

Like fat, sugar is not inherently bad for you but eating it to excess can blunt your insulin sensitivity which can eventually lead to diabetic states, weight gain and metabolic syndrome. It's also easy to rack up the calories with sugars, especially when they are dissolved in water.

Whoever eats 5 packets of raro for breakfast is a moron TBH. It may not harm them but I doubt it's doing them any good, and that's a lot of artificial colouring which is not particularly good for you either. You could chug some raro post workout but 5 packets for breakfast? Get the f*ck outta here

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Sorry, 4 to 5 packets and maybe not for breakfast.

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If you had 4-5 packets after a strenuous training session that would be OK as long as the rest of your diet was somewhat in check too.

We must be talking ~100g sugar here so it's not a very good breakfast but you could use it during and post workout.

Lots of artificial colour & flavour though, probably better to mix one packet with a bunch of dextrose. Cheaper too

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Saw title, thought here we go :roll: See Diabolic's response, Liked :clap:

We must be talking ~100g sugar here so it's not a very good breakfast but you could use it during and post workout.

Try 300-400g. 1 Packet is around 70-80g sugar I think?

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Really that much sugar after exercise? In the long term, how would that affect insulin resistance? Is it plausible to get your omega 3 from your diet without the fish/flax supps? If so what foods would you recommend?

I didn't mean 300-400g sugar after your workout! Was correcting Diabolic's thinking that 4-5 packets would be around 100g sugar.

1 packet would be fine after training, there's better alternatives but if you wanted the extra carbs and the insulin spike it's fine. If you kept that kind of sugar intake solely to post workout it shouldn't have a negative effect on insulin resistance at all. Resistance exercises greatly improves insulin sensitivity (every diabetic able to should weight train!) so worst case scenario they'd likely just balance out.

You can definitely get omega 3 without supplements, but fish oil pills are so cheap compared to eating that much from whole foods. Any oily fish (salmon is the obvious one) walnuts and flax seeds would be your best bet. If you're wanting to add more fat into your diet as well, olive oil is a great choice and it does include omega 3s.

I'd love it if I could afford a 400g salmon fillet and summer salad covered in olive oil every night with a dessert of mixed nuts and seeds in yogurt or something :pray:

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Saw title, thought here we go :roll: See Diabolic's response, Liked :clap:
We must be talking ~100g sugar here so it's not a very good breakfast but you could use it during and post workout.

Try 300-400g. 1 Packet is around 70-80g sugar I think?

lol, breakfast of champions!

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Awesome post Diabolic.

Neither are inherently bad for you, some would argue that the human species isn't really made for eating large amounts of carbohydrate and thats where all these Atkins/paleo/low carb type diets come from. However It is the combination of over consumption of both fats and carbohydrate and massive amounts of calories which are bad for you and lead to metabolic disruption and all kinds of problems. Latest research actually shows that fiber is one of the most important and overlooked dietary components. high fiber increases insulin sensitivity, improves cardiovascular health, helps fight against obesity, helps with lipid metabolism, digestion as well as providing a whole lot of other benefits. In fact some research shows glycemic index to be irrelevant in the face of a high fiber diet.

Moral: stop worrying about carbs and fats and make sure you get your fiber :P

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After reading a poster who drinks 5 packets of raro for breakfast, what is generally worse for the body, sugar (apart from after training) or fat? Also, a lot of the research on saturated fat tends to be on Animals that have been grain fed, grass fed beef seems to have better omega 3 to 6 ratios. These days, I wonder about the the quality of omega 3 from farmed fish e.g farmed salmon fed on grain.

Any insight?

five whole packets of raro for brekkie?

My teeth are rattling just thinking about that

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sugar is shit. and depends on the fat...

I eat animal fats, like the fat on a steak, chop etc. no worries. It is a good energy source, and isnt as readily put on your ass.

But even the best meal can go ape shit if it is to excess.

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Sugar is the big cause of over weight. So we must avoid the excessive use of the sugar in order to get the fitness of the body.

Over eating is the big cause of over weight. People just tend to over eat foods high in sugar. You could eat a diet high in sugar but if your total calories were well under maintenance, you'd still lose weight. I wouldn't do it but the laws of thermodynamics say it is true

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