Re:SOPA PIPA, thoughts?

[Big john]

"Stolen" from a website....

In Canada (and many other countries), there's a levy on blank audio recording media (including CD-Rs), which goes to music companies. What the Canadian consumer gets in return is not just the legal right to copy any music he or she wants for private use (which already existed, though the music industry clearly wishes it didn't), but to do so whether or not he or she owns the original.

In Canada, it's not legal to make a copy of a CD and give it to a friend. But it is legal to give your original CD (or maybe even a copy - the law's not clear) to a friend, and let them make the copy, and then give your CD back.

This legislation doesn't apply very elegantly to P2P file sharing, but so far as it does, it says that downloading music is legal, but making music available for download isn't, because that counts as "broadcasting".

So P2P users who want to stay legal can simply "leech" - download, but not share anything.

this.

Brb making "backup" copies

[two_phat]

Really interesting read this thread.

I like the idea that government agencies in the US like FBI know better, let's leave our decision making to a non transparent organisation that is nothing more than a tool for the government, the same government that get's funding from big business... global economics lol

Exactly! The same government and organisation that is involved in torture, cover ups and consistently lies to the public. I like :nod:

In all seriousness, they can pass this law if they really want. But we will find ways around it. I openly download and use pirated things; because I don't believe that the price is fair and reasonable (I also use open-source things where possible as well - such as linux instead of windows). If the entertainment industry decided to cut the cost of purchasing their products, then I'd buy them legally. Until then, I'm quite happy being a couple of clicks of mouse away from anything I need. Call it stealing, piracy or whatever you want - I don't care....make it more accessible to masses and I'll start buying it.

[tomsammce]

Don't bullshit. Your taking it for free now and you'd take it for free for as long as it's available regardless of the price.

What's wrong with ppl making money off something... Can't stand all these 'reasonable price' Nazis

[two_phat]

Don't bullshit. Your taking it for free now and you'd take it for free for as long as it's available regardless of the price.

What's wrong with ppl making money off something... Can't stand all these 'reasonable price' Nazis

There isn't anything wrong with people making money off something. However when one person is making millions and the rest of us are having to pay excessive amounts for it - that's when I have a problem. Perhaps if there were more 'reasonable price nazis' around then the world wouldn't be on the brink of another recession due to excessive greed by the top earners.

No, that's rubbish. I don't take what I want for free regardless of price. There are a number of things I am happy to shell out for. Take public transport for example, where I live it's easy to get away without paying. And I know lots of people that do. However I'm prepared to pay for using that service.

[pyro]

Don't bullshit. Your taking it for free now and you'd take it for free for as long as it's available regardless of the price.

What's wrong with ppl making money off something... Can't stand all these 'reasonable price' Nazis

There isn't anything wrong with people making money off something. However when one person is making millions and the rest of us are having to pay excessive amounts for it - that's when I have a problem. Perhaps if there were more 'reasonable price nazis' around then the world wouldn't be on the brink of another recession due to excessive greed by the top earners.

No, that's rubbish. I don't take what I want for free regardless of price. There are a number of things I am happy to shell out for. Take public transport for example, where I live it's easy to get away without paying. And I know lots of people that do. However I'm prepared to pay for using that service.

So because someone has worked hard their entire life, have a much larger knowledge base on a certain subject than most and have created something the world wants. He doesn't have a right to make decent money off it?

[tomleegolf]

Don't bullshit. Your taking it for free now and you'd take it for free for as long as it's available regardless of the price.

What's wrong with ppl making money off something... Can't stand all these 'reasonable price' Nazis

There isn't anything wrong with people making money off something. However when one person is making millions and the rest of us are having to pay excessive amounts for it - that's when I have a problem. Perhaps if there were more 'reasonable price nazis' around then the world wouldn't be on the brink of another recession due to excessive greed by the top earners.

Socialist alert

[two_phat]

Don't bullshit. Your taking it for free now and you'd take it for free for as long as it's available regardless of the price.

What's wrong with ppl making money off something... Can't stand all these 'reasonable price' Nazis

There isn't anything wrong with people making money off something. However when one person is making millions and the rest of us are having to pay excessive amounts for it - that's when I have a problem. Perhaps if there were more 'reasonable price nazis' around then the world wouldn't be on the brink of another recession due to excessive greed by the top earners.

No, that's rubbish. I don't take what I want for free regardless of price. There are a number of things I am happy to shell out for. Take public transport for example, where I live it's easy to get away without paying. And I know lots of people that do. However I'm prepared to pay for using that service.

So because someone has worked hard their entire life, have a much larger knowledge base on a certain subject than most and have created something the world wants. He doesn't have a right to make decent money off it?

Decent, yes. Excessive, no.

You think everybody who hasn't paid for their avatar on here should be paying the owner/creator? Did you pay for yours?

And what's to say that people don't make money because of piracy? That book 'go the f*ck to sleep' was pirated and went viral. It then hit the amazon best sellers list.

Socialist alert

Haha probably.

But don't you agree? If it was cheaper, then the amount of piracy would be reduced?

In any case; the technology is there. It can't be put back. Piracy has been around for over a decade now and is just on the increase. Governments and corporations are virtually powerless to stop it. The status quo business model is defunct and outdated. Surely they can come up with another business model that still compensates the artist and offers the consumer a cheap/free deal.

[Mike Zero]

Socialist alert

See, I would say Socialism is protecting an inefficient industry by taking away individual freedoms.

[HarryB]

Socialist alert

See, I would say Socialism is protecting an inefficient industry by taking away individual freedoms.

In theory no, however in reality as has been historically proven is YES!

[Tinguerilla]

There isn't anything wrong with people making money off something. However when one person is making millions and the rest of us are having to pay excessive amounts for it - that's when I have a problem. Perhaps if there were more 'reasonable price nazis' around then the world wouldn't be on the brink of another recession due to excessive greed by the top earners.

No, that's rubbish. I don't take what I want for free regardless of price. There are a number of things I am happy to shell out for. Take public transport for example, where I live it's easy to get away without paying. And I know lots of people that do. However I'm prepared to pay for using that service.

So because someone has worked hard their entire life, have a much larger knowledge base on a certain subject than most and have created something the world wants. He doesn't have a right to make decent money off it?

Decent, yes. Excessive, no.

You think everybody who hasn't paid for their avatar on here should be paying the owner/creator? Did you pay for yours?

And what's to say that people don't make money because of piracy? That book 'go the f*ck to sleep' was pirated and went viral. It then hit the amazon best sellers list.

Socialist alert

Haha probably.

But don't you agree? If it was cheaper, then the amount of piracy would be reduced?

In any case; the technology is there. It can't be put back. Piracy has been around for over a decade now and is just on the increase. Governments and corporations are virtually powerless to stop it. The status quo business model is defunct and outdated. Surely they can come up with another business model that still compensates the artist and offers the consumer a cheap/free deal.

"Im a theif but this is how I justify it" :roll:

[Android]

oh gawd Ten-gorillas is back on this thread :twisted:

He thinks Piracy is theft not because a physical object was taken but that a copy of the original resulted in a lost sale.

So under Tinguerillas reasoning a lost sale is theft.

...so a movie critic giving a bad review which results in lost sales is theft also according to Tinguerrila. And perhaps if Movie A was better and more popular than Movie B then Movie A is "stealing" sales from Movie B, theft also.

Copying something is usually related to fraud rather than theft my friend.

If you and I sit an exam together and I copy your answers, I am not "stealing" from you (remember you think copying is theft - right). In fact you will get the same test results as you deserve and are unaffected by my copying your answers. How is that theft?

But I am defrauding the system because the test was designed to test MY knowledge of the subject and I am representing those answers as my own - that is fraud.

Copying software is more about defrauding the copyright laws and the licence set out by the maker of the software or the music creator/agent.

This is all off track talking about theft and copying though when it comes to SOPA and PIPA.

The jist of it is the people who make the technologies that make the Internet what it is today, rich and interactive are becoming liable for the people who push their content onto it for sale. No-one asked the music industry to post digital formats of their songs, they should go back to vinyls if they don't want mass digital copying.

Technologists gave them the mp3, mp4, mpeg, avi formats and the musci industry soaked that shit up like a dry sponge "oooh yeah I can use that to sell heaps more...oh shit wait, people can copy and share this...err I blame the people who made me choose this digital format! damn you".

Why blame the road system on how people drive, get off the road and fucking walk if you don't like it.

[Tinguerilla]

oh gawd Ten-gorillas is back on this thread :twisted:

He thinks Piracy is theft not because a physical object was taken but that a copy of the original resulted in a lost sale.

So under Tinguerillas reasoning a lost sale is theft.

...so a movie critic giving a bad review which results in lost sales is theft also according to Tinguerrila. And perhaps if Movie A was better and more popular than Movie B then Movie A is "stealing" sales from Movie B, theft also.

Copying something is usually related to fraud rather than theft my friend.

If you and I sit an exam together and I copy your answers, I am not "stealing" from you (remember you think copying is theft - right). In fact you will get the same test results as you deserve and are unaffected by my copying your answers. How is that theft?

But I am defrauding the system because the test was designed to test MY knowledge of the subject and I am representing those answers as my own - that is fraud.

Copying software is more about defrauding the copyright laws and the licence set out by the maker of the software or the music creator/agent.

This is all off track talking about theft and copying though when it comes to SOPA and PIPA.

The jist of it is the people who make the technologies that make the Internet what it is today, rich and interactive are becoming liable for the people who push their content onto it for sale. No-one asked the music industry to post digital formats of their songs, they should go back to vinyls if they don't want mass digital copying.

Technologists gave them the mp3, mp4, mpeg, avi formats and the musci industry soaked that shit up like a dry sponge "oooh yeah I can use that to sell heaps more...oh shit wait, people can copy and share this...err I blame the people who made me choose this digital format! damn you".

Why blame the road system on how people drive, get off the road and fucking walk if you don't like it.

"My names android I like to steal things here is the techno bable to justify it as not being theft".

Your lucky we dont train in the same gym cos Id steal your gym bag and wouldnt even try to justify it cos thats how I roll theiving styles.

[Android]

hahahaha

Finally you undersatnd what theft is :clap: awesome progress!!!

Theft is stealing the "actual" item, awesome well done dude you're a quick learner.

Now if you copied my gym bag and then walked out with that copy, I'd have no problem and it wouldn't be theft ... hahahahaa

[Wookie]

oh gawd Ten-gorillas is back on this thread :twisted:

He thinks Piracy is theft not because a physical object was taken but that a copy of the original resulted in a lost sale.

So under Tinguerillas reasoning a lost sale is theft.

...so a movie critic giving a bad review which results in lost sales is theft also according to Tinguerrila. And perhaps if Movie A was better and more popular than Movie B then Movie A is "stealing" sales from Movie B, theft also.

Copying something is usually related to fraud rather than theft my friend.

If you and I sit an exam together and I copy your answers, I am not "stealing" from you (remember you think copying is theft - right). In fact you will get the same test results as you deserve and are unaffected by my copying your answers. How is that theft?

But I am defrauding the system because the test was designed to test MY knowledge of the subject and I am representing those answers as my own - that is fraud.

Copying software is more about defrauding the copyright laws and the licence set out by the maker of the software or the music creator/agent.

This is all off track talking about theft and copying though when it comes to SOPA and PIPA.

The jist of it is the people who make the technologies that make the Internet what it is today, rich and interactive are becoming liable for the people who push their content onto it for sale. No-one asked the music industry to post digital formats of their songs, they should go back to vinyls if they don't want mass digital copying.

Technologists gave them the mp3, mp4, mpeg, avi formats and the musci industry soaked that shit up like a dry sponge "oooh yeah I can use that to sell heaps more...oh shit wait, people can copy and share this...err I blame the people who made me choose this digital format! damn you".

Why blame the road system on how people drive, get off the road and fucking walk if you don't like it.

"My names android I like to steal things here is the techno bable to justify it as not being theft".

Your lucky we dont train in the same gym cos Id steal your gym bag and wouldnt even try to justify it cos thats how I roll theiving styles.

I don't say this often...but you're an ignoramus. Go train.

[HarryB]

hahahaha

Finally you undersatnd what theft is :clap: awesome progress!!!

Theft is stealing the "actual" item, awesome well done dude you're a quick learner.

Now if you copied my gym bag and then walked out with that copy, I'd have no problem and it wouldn't be theft ... hahahahaa

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Can I copy your gym bag?

[Android]

hahahaha

Finally you undersatnd what theft is :clap: awesome progress!!!

Theft is stealing the "actual" item, awesome well done dude you're a quick learner.

Now if you copied my gym bag and then walked out with that copy, I'd have no problem and it wouldn't be theft ... hahahahaa

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Can I copy your gym bag?

LOL why yes you can Mr. B, and you don't even have to ask...copy some for your friends and family too :pfft:

[HarryB]

hahahaha

Finally you undersatnd what theft is :clap: awesome progress!!!

Theft is stealing the "actual" item, awesome well done dude you're a quick learner.

Now if you copied my gym bag and then walked out with that copy, I'd have no problem and it wouldn't be theft ... hahahahaa

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Can I copy your gym bag?

LOL why yes you can Mr. B, and you don't even have to ask...copy some for your friends and family too :pfft:

Is there some kind of free software I can use to assist with the copying "group sharing" process lol...

[Android]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Can I copy your gym bag?

LOL why yes you can Mr. B, and you don't even have to ask...copy some for your friends and family too :pfft:

Is there some kind of free software I can use to assist with the copying "group sharing" process lol...

Why yes there is!

Apparently Tinguerilla.com has an Ape (ooops I mean App!) that goes into a gym every so often and lifts copies of bags. Just send him a PM of what you like, colour, size, contents, and and he'll deliver the goods

[Pseudonym]

Apparently copyright is a relatively modern concept. Here's an article from a publisher who says that "the additional exposure you get through piracy more than compensates for any "lost sales," especially since the sales you lose are the sales you were never going to make in the first place."

On pirates and piracy

[pyro]

Apparently copyright is a relatively modern concept. Here's an article from a publisher who says that "the additional exposure you get through piracy more than compensates for any "lost sales," especially since the sales you lose are the sales you were never going to make in the first place."

On pirates and piracy

Its extremely beneficial for newer artists and smaller production crews, that don't have the money for marketing. Sometimes word of mouth is the best advertising.

[Tinguerilla]

Copying something is usually related to fraud rather than theft my friend.

If you and I sit an exam together and I copy your answers, I am not "stealing" from you (remember you think copying is theft - right). In fact you will get the same test results as you deserve and are unaffected by my copying your answers. How is that theft?

But I am defrauding the system because the test was designed to test MY knowledge of the subject and I am representing those answers as my own - that is fraud.

Fraud! oh boy now Ive hear it all.

Breaching the copyright isnt fraud.

If your going to say its not theft then it sure as shit isnt fraud.

Its closer to theft than fraud. :roll:

[hhhh1]

Fraud! oh boy now Ive hear it all.

Breaching the copyright isnt fraud.

If your going to say its not theft then it sure as shit isnt fraud.

Its closer to theft than fraud. :roll:

[Boom]

Why blame the road system on how people drive, get off the road and fucking walk if you don't like it.

^This so much. Online internet piracy (I realise this is a tangent, even though SOME don't) is merely a response to the music distribution companies charging $30 for a cd when it costs less to manufacture than the cassette that cost $5. A Cassette has moving fucking parts! A cd is literally a bit of round plastic with some special foil on one side and a laminated picture on another. This is perhaps the best example of the crazy greed of the bigger distribution companies. Savvy inter web users discovered a way to distribute music that is in effect priceless as you are merely copying it. So instead of buying 5 CDs for $150, they download them for free. So cost plays a huge part in this whole piracy debate. Like Android said, create something new/do something different rather than playing bad cop all the time.

[gixxer]

The internet is the last anarchy on this planet, governments will NEVER be able to control it.. There are too many servers and users out there, internet will always be ONE step ahead and there will be software that will be able to block trackers from the GOVT...

[karm015]

The internet is the last anarchy on this planet, governments will NEVER be able to control it.. There are too many servers and users out there, internet will always be ONE step ahead and there will be software that will be able to block trackers from the GOVT...

hey bro, let us know when you come back to the real world please, ok?

if what you're saying were true, people wouldn't be so concerned about SOPA/PIPA, and more recently ACTA