Re:SOPA PIPA, thoughts?

[pyro]

how many people do you think illegally download a movie then go out and buy it? I would suggest very few.

Missed the point much? How many people see a movie and then recommend it to friends and family. You would also be surprised at how many people will actually buy TV dvd box sets after they have enjoyed the series from downloading it, gone and bought Musicians cds after downloading some music to see what they are like. My brother in-law has around 100 DVDs of all his favorite movies, most of which he bought after watching them on his xbox.

By the way did you bother to read the law they are trying to pass, or are you just still on the anti-piracy bandwagon without understanding what the law is actually about.

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What was even the simple gif too hard for you to understand? Im not advocating piracy im simply pointing out that if this law is passed its going to effect a shitload more than just movies and music downloads. Seems to me you actually don't understand any of whats going on, you are just putting in your 2c on how bad piracy is.

*Edit Forgot to mention the law for now has been put on hold. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets rushed through later on very much secretly much like the bill passed here in nz that was put on hold only to be passed within a couple of days at a later date before anyone had much time to act against it.

[Tinguerilla]

If I was to pirate anything chances are I wouldn't have gone and brought it of a shelf anyway and since 1's and 0s can be copied an infinite number of times their isn't any actual material lost. Can make all the laws in the world it will always be a game of cat and mouse with people finding ways around things.

So you only pirate things you wouldnt buy. What makes you think you have the right to have something you wouldnt buy?

Thats like saying I wouldnt buy a 3d tv so threrefore stealing it is okay. Im confused.

Im not having a go, I dont get money either way so im not overly fussed, but I can see why music/movie companies would be pissed. Especially the smaller ones who rely on consumers buying their material. The big ones can take a loss but the independants will suffer the most.

Its funny how we would all agree it wrong to steal from a supermarket, which is also a faceless business but a $30 dvd / cd is okay.

That's the way things go mate, industries are born and die with the changing global environment. You can't bring in laws that strip away people's freedom everytime a current industry is suffering a loss.

Movies are ridiculously expensive to view/buy for what they are, it's a wonder that the industry has lasted as long as it has. If you compare seeing a movie at a cinema @ $20 ticket price to seeing (let's go cliche here and say) a broadway show @ $200 ticket price. In the live show the performers get one payday, but the movie is screened thousands and thousands of times globally, then sold as a DVD before it lands on free to air television. But a broad way production doesnt cost 100s of millions to make. and have the on going cost of a cinema rent staff power etc etc The profit margin there is so vastly different for essentially doing the same thing. A cinema ticket should be $1. Where's that money going? Overpaid actors/directors. If you don't want to make movies on a modest salary You generally get what you pay for if your total creation cost is 1million then its going to be a crap movie. If the going rate is 10million for an actor then thats what it is. If it was so easy then we would all be doing it wouldnt we. then don't make them at all. All that is happening with internet piracy is exposing the ripoff act that big Hollywood companies have been pulling for so long. Cut costs or die.

It's the same in music, except most of the money in music goes to the C.E.O's that sit on their arses and push paper all day, rather than to any creative talent that deserves it. In fact, most of the creative talent that deserves it aren't getting paid at all. Record companies just pick up someone with "the look" and an average voice, do em up in the recording room and churn out the same shit repackaged neatly for your average mindless western consumer. Bring back the days where art isn't made for mass approval, but for creative expression.

Also, your point about stealing a 3dtv compared to downloading pirated material is almost too obviously retarded to even talk about. But anyway, the producers of the tv have a real cost unlike a copy of digital media (that cost is tapped onto your electricity bill). of course the is a cost to the digital media every dvd pirated is a loss to the movie There is no way that the loss to Hollywood is as much as the total amount downloaded, it is only a tiny fraction of it!

Back to Megaupload. These guys didn't distribute any copyrighted material, they just provided a hosting service for any file uploads (one that I have used legitimately to host files I own, many times). They also didn't advertise any uploaded files, illegal or not. Shutting them down is one thing (as Android said, you may as well shut down the whole internet), arresting them and extraditing them to serve a 50 year jail sentence in the states is a whole other thing! I could become a serial killer in NZ and serve 20 here! And it's not just the head man who's getting done, it's the whole team - graphic designers etc. Come on he had guilty knowledge of what was going on. That like saying if you give some one a gun and you know that they are going to kill some one then you are not at any fault. He made 100s of millions from illegal downloads.

This is just USA chucking their toys and doing some debt collecting because they are in the shit due to years of consume, consume, consume. f*ck them. I am embarrassed that New Zealand is so quick to bend over and take it from them.

As for debt collecting how much are they going to make back. f*ck all. Its not a drop in the ocean as far as the US debit goes. how is 200 million going to solve a multi trillion dollar debt.

[Tinguerilla]

Missed the point much? How many people see a movie and then recommend it to friends and family. You would also be surprised at how many people will actually buy TV dvd box sets after they have enjoyed the series from downloading it, gone and bought Musicians cds after downloading some music to see what they are like. My brother in-law has around 100 DVDs of all his favorite movies, most of which he bought after watching them on his xbox.

By the way did you bother to read the law they are trying to pass, or are you just still on the anti-piracy bandwagon without understanding what the law is actually about.

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What was even the simple gif too hard for you to understand? Im not advocating piracy im simply pointing out that if this law is passed its going to effect a shitload more than just movies and music downloads. Seems to me you actually don't understand any of whats going on, you are just putting in your 2c on how bad piracy is.

*Edit Forgot to mention the law for now has been put on hold. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets rushed through later on very much secretly much like the bill passed here in nz that was put on hold only to be passed later on within a couple of days.

Im obviously not an expert on the subject like you, Im just a simple man who lifts heavy things.

[pyro]

Im obviously not an expert on the subject like you, Im just a simple man who lifts heavy things.

You need to be an expert to be able to read and understand something these days huh. :roll:

[Tinguerilla]

Im obviously not an expert on the subject like you, Im just a simple man who lifts heavy things.

You need to be an expert to be able to read and understand something these days huh. :roll:

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[pyro]

Im obviously not an expert on the subject like you, Im just a simple man who lifts heavy things.

You need to be an expert to be able to read and understand something these days huh. :roll:

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Since it seems like you missed it the first time, even a simpleton can understand this.

[Mike Zero]

But a broad way production doesnt didnt cost 100s of millions to make. and have the on going cost of a cinema rent staff power etc etc

You generally get what you pay for if your total creation cost is !million then its going to be a crap movie. If the going rate is 10million for an actor then thats what it is. If it was so easy then we would all be doing it wouldnt we.

You've completely missed the point there.

of course the is a cost to the digital media every dvd pirated is a loss to the movie

So everyone that downloads something would have paid for it if the download wasn't available? Yeah right.

Come on he had guilty knowledge of what was going on. That like saying if you give some one a gun and you know that they are going to kill some one then you are not at any fault. He made 100s of millions from illegal downloads.

Using that analogy, putting him in jail is like charging him for the murder.

[Tinguerilla]

But a broad way production doesnt didnt cost 100s of millions to make. and have the on going cost of a cinema rent staff power etc etc

You generally get what you pay for if your total creation cost is !million then its going to be a crap movie. If the going rate is 10million for an actor then thats what it is. If it was so easy then we would all be doing it wouldnt we.

You've completely missed the point there.

Really?

of course the is a cost to the digital media every dvd pirated is a loss to the movie

So everyone that downloads something would have paid for it if the download wasn't available? Yeah right.

They may not have brought it but that doesnt mean they should have it for free. I wouldnt pay for a hooker doesnt mean I should get one for free.

Come on he had guilty knowledge of what was going on. That like saying if you give some one a gun and you know that they are going to kill some one then you are not at any fault. He made 100s of millions from illegal downloads.

Using that analogy, putting him in jail is like charging him for the murder.

Putting him in jail isnt like charging him with murder its like charging him with copywrite infringment. Im saying him setting up the site and making money off the illegal downloads make him guilty. As he is the owner of the site he is responsible for the content that is shared and he could have deleted it as it was posted. But he didnt because he knew people would pay $20 per month to download $1000s of dollar worth of material.

[Mike Zero]

Putting him in jail isnt like charging him with murder its like charging him with copywrite infringment. Im saying him setting up the site and making money off the illegal downloads make him guilty. As he is the owner of the site he is responsible for the content that is shared and he could have deleted it as it was posted. But he didnt because he knew people would pay $20 per month to download $1000s of dollar worth of material.

I said "using that analogy".

The charge was for the service that the site offered, not for any illegal material. If you host illegal material, knowingly or unknowingly, why is it all of a sudden a big deal if you're making money? How much money he has made shouldn't even come into it, it's either illegal to distribute it or not. In that case, just about every internet forum or hosting site on the web should be shutdown and owners jailed, because of users uploading copyrighted material.

I'm not a lawyer or anything but from where I stand there is no logical reason why he should be arrested. If he has to serve time over this then democracy has failed.

[Tinguerilla]

Putting him in jail isnt like charging him with murder its like charging him with copywrite infringment. Im saying him setting up the site and making money off the illegal downloads make him guilty. As he is the owner of the site he is responsible for the content that is shared and he could have deleted it as it was posted. But he didnt because he knew people would pay $20 per month to download $1000s of dollar worth of material.

I said "using that analogy".

The charge was for the service that the site offered, not for any illegal material. If you host illegal material, knowingly or unknowingly, why is it all of a sudden a big deal if you're making money? How much money he has made shouldn't even come into it, it's either illegal to distribute it or not. In that case, just about every internet forum or hosting site on the web should be shutdown and owners jailed, because of users uploading copyrighted material.

I'm not a lawyer or anything but from where I stand there is no logical reason why he should be arrested. If he has to serve time over this then democracy has failed.

-He set up a site

-That site shared files

-A lot of those files were copywrited making there presence on the sight illegal as they breached copywrite laws.

-As he (and his buddies??) were the owners of that sight they have a responsibility for these file being there as hey could remove them but he didnt and charge others to download them.

I agree that the money doesnt matter if he didnt make money he would be as responsible.

I guess the closest think you could compare it to is allowing a premise to be used for drug consumption. If you own a house/car and allow people to consume drugs there knowingly then you can be charge. Its fair to say he knew what was going on especially he since he slept on a bed of gold and diamonds.

Similar in the fact that its providing a "vehicle" for an offence to be committed.

And how would him spending time inside be a blow for democracy. The Govt were voted in they make the decisions once voted in. If we are unhappy we can revolt.

[pyro]

-He set up a site

-That site shared files

-A lot of those files were copywrited making there presence on the sight illegal as they breached copywrite laws.

-As he (and his buddies??) were the owners of that sight they have a responsibility for these file being there as hey could remove them but he didnt and charge others to download them.

I agree that the money doesnt matter if he didnt make money he would be as responsible.

Like I said you don't much at all about this, but you seem to think you do. MU constantly pulled files for copyright infringements, no different to any other file sharing site, to say they didn't just proves my point.

Going of what you are saying the founders of Youtube, facebook, twitter should all be locked up as well. All file sharing sites that host copyrighted material, a simple youtube search will find millions of copyright infringements. Music, tv shows, documentaries, movies, gaming content, all there for anyone to view and with a much larger user base.

You're argument of him making a shit ton of money means nothing. You might as well lock up Bill Gates if thats the case. Clearly money can only be obtained in ridiculous amounts by doing something outside the law, right.

Ever stop to think that just maybe, people actually use FILESHARING sites for things other than piracy. Supposedly 90% of the content on MU breaks no copyright infringements at all. You are talking like every single file is an illegal upload and MU does nothing about it.

[Tinguerilla]

-He set up a site

-That site shared files

-A lot of those files were copywrited making there presence on the sight illegal as they breached copywrite laws.

-As he (and his buddies??) were the owners of that sight they have a responsibility for these file being there as hey could remove them but he didnt and charge others to download them.

I agree that the money doesnt matter if he didnt make money he would be as responsible.

Like I said you don't much at all about this, but you seem to think you do. MU constantly pulled files for copyright infringements, no different to any other file sharing site, to say they didn't just proves my point.

Going of what you are saying the founders of Youtube, facebook, twitter should all be locked up as well. All file sharing sites that host copyrighted material, a simple youtube search will find millions of copyright infringements. Music, tv shows, documentaries, movies, gaming content, all there for anyone to view and with a much larger user base.

You're argument of him making a shit ton of money means nothing. You might as well lock up Bill Gates if thats the case. Clearly money can only be obtained in ridiculous amounts by doing something outside the law, right.

Ever stop to think that just maybe, people actually use FILESHARING sites for things other than piracy. Supposedly 90% of the content on MU breaks no copyright infringements at all. You are talking like every single file is an illegal upload and MU does nothing about it.

Yeah lock up Bill Gate for creating microsoft thats the same as Pirated files and the creaters of FB, Twitter and youtube because they are doing the same as Kim DOTCOM.

Hey 90% might be koser but 10% isnt. So since most of the stuff is legit we should forget about it. Lets do the same with porn sites 90% adults 10% kids but its okay its only 10%.

You should contact this guy and represent him in court. "Yes your honour he cost the movie companies an estimated 600million dollars but thats only from the 10% of the illegal content the other 90% of content was legal so hes 90% in the right".

I think the FBI have a bit better idea of what was going on than you and me and because of this he was arrested. Do you think they are doing it for shits and giggles?

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And like I said you have a much more knowledge on the subject than me.

[pyro]

Im surprised you can be so stupid.

Do you really believe they can sort and check every single file that is uploaded to the site to make sure its legal? Of course there is going to be copyrighted material that won't be picked up on, thats the 10% they were talking about. MU constantly pulled copyrighted files.

Try doing some research on previous cases like Rapidshare, hotfile etc, you may actually learn something and the BS that comes with the arrests and trying to shut these sites down.

Just so you know Lamar Smith who designed the law to be passed is currently using a background on his Official site, without giving credit to the photographer, under the law he wants passed he is a copyright violator. The idiot doesn't even realize the extent of it himself, yet is pushing it to be passed. Reminds me of the bill that was passed in NZ with the majority of the people pushing for it not having a clue what it was about or even what filesharing was.

lol im over it, can't argue with idiots. Try reading about the law, what it involves, finding out some info on what MU and other filesharing websites are like before ranting on about piracy and how this guy should be locked up.

[devil_911]

Who needs SOPA and PIPA when they already have so much power?

[Android]

Putting him in jail isnt like charging him with murder its like charging him with copywrite infringment. Im saying him setting up the site and making money off the illegal downloads make him guilty. As he is the owner of the site he is responsible for the content that is shared and he could have deleted it as it was posted. But he didnt because he knew people would pay $20 per month to download $1000s of dollar worth of material.

I said "using that analogy".

The charge was for the service that the site offered, not for any illegal material. If you host illegal material, knowingly or unknowingly, why is it all of a sudden a big deal if you're making money? How much money he has made shouldn't even come into it, it's either illegal to distribute it or not. In that case, just about every internet forum or hosting site on the web should be shutdown and owners jailed, because of users uploading copyrighted material.

I'm not a lawyer or anything but from where I stand there is no logical reason why he should be arrested. If he has to serve time over this then democracy has failed.

-He set up a site

-That site shared files

-A lot of those files were copywrited making there presence on the sight illegal as they breached copywrite laws.

-As he (and his buddies??) were the owners of that sight they have a responsibility for these file being there as hey could remove them but he didnt and charge others to download them.

I agree that the money doesnt matter if he didnt make money he would be as responsible.

I guess the closest think you could compare it to is allowing a premise to be used for drug consumption. If you own a house/car and allow people to consume drugs there knowingly then you can be charge. Its fair to say he knew what was going on especially he since he slept on a bed of gold and diamonds.

Similar in the fact that its providing a "vehicle" for an offence to be committed.

And how would him spending time inside be a blow for democracy. The Govt were voted in they make the decisions once voted in. If we are unhappy we can revolt.

You've coped a bit of a warranted backlash from others but just to make my point...if you want to blame the vehicle for the offense as you state above, the Internet is the vehicle, the ISP is the vehicle, the telecommunications company was also involved in the crime. Like a drug-house being used you say the owners should go down as well.

As already stated just like YouTube they don't hand out copyright movies and music. It's been loosely understood that YouTube waits for a complaint and then acts on that... these guys haven't been given the same opportunity despite supposedly acting on complaints.

More may come out we may not know everything of what they did, but to lock up the UX designer lol maybe he's a director or sumthing but that's kinda weird right there too.

Back to SOPA PIPA it's like most legislation, you're one of four types of people...either on one side or the other, indifferent, or don't understand the question. I'm a software developer so licensing my products is important to me monetary-wise and preventing illegal unpaid use paramount. I have a huge vested interest in this subject but I'm still against the extent this goes.

[Tinguerilla]

Im surprised you can be so stupid.

Do you really believe they can sort and check every single file that is uploaded to the site to make sure its legal? Of course there is going to be copyrighted material that won't be picked up on, thats the 10% they were talking about. MU constantly pulled copyrighted files.

Try doing some research on previous cases like Rapidshare, hotfile etc, you may actually learn something and the BS that comes with the arrests and trying to shut these sites down.

Just so you know Lamar Smith who designed the law to be passed is currently using a background on his Official site, without giving credit to the photographer, under the law he wants passed he is a copyright violator. The idiot doesn't even realize the extent of it himself, yet is pushing it to be passed. Reminds me of the bill that was passed in NZ with the majority of the people pushing for it not having a clue what it was about or even what filesharing was.

lol im over it, can't argue with idiots. Try reading about the law, what it involves, finding out some info on what MU and other filesharing websites are like before ranting on about piracy and how this guy should be locked up.

Stupid like the FBI. Who knows more the FBI or some kid on a bodybuilding website?

He knew what he was doing. Now he suffers the consequences. Bet he wishes he used some of his money to invest in a gym and some boxing lessons cos that fatty is going to be somebodies love toy.

Dont get so wound up Im sure you will be able to download you Justin Beiber cds for free you will just have to use another site. :cry:

[Tinguerilla]

I said "using that analogy".

The charge was for the service that the site offered, not for any illegal material. If you host illegal material, knowingly or unknowingly, why is it all of a sudden a big deal if you're making money? How much money he has made shouldn't even come into it, it's either illegal to distribute it or not. In that case, just about every internet forum or hosting site on the web should be shutdown and owners jailed, because of users uploading copyrighted material.

I'm not a lawyer or anything but from where I stand there is no logical reason why he should be arrested. If he has to serve time over this then democracy has failed.

-He set up a site

-That site shared files

-A lot of those files were copywrited making there presence on the sight illegal as they breached copywrite laws.

-As he (and his buddies??) were the owners of that sight they have a responsibility for these file being there as hey could remove them but he didnt and charge others to download them.

I agree that the money doesnt matter if he didnt make money he would be as responsible.

I guess the closest think you could compare it to is allowing a premise to be used for drug consumption. If you own a house/car and allow people to consume drugs there knowingly then you can be charge. Its fair to say he knew what was going on especially he since he slept on a bed of gold and diamonds.

Similar in the fact that its providing a "vehicle" for an offence to be committed.

And how would him spending time inside be a blow for democracy. The Govt were voted in they make the decisions once voted in. If we are unhappy we can revolt.

You've coped a bit of a warranted backlash from others but just to make my point...if you want to blame the vehicle for the offense as you state above, the Internet is the vehicle, the ISP is the vehicle, the telecommunications company was also involved in the crime. Like a drug-house being used you say the owners should go down as well.

As already stated just like YouTube they don't hand out copyright movies and music. It's been loosely understood that YouTube waits for a complaint and then acts on that... these guys haven't been given the same opportunity despite supposedly acting on complaints.

More may come out we may not know everything of what they did, but to lock up the UX designer lol maybe he's a director or sumthing but that's kinda weird right there too.

Back to SOPA PIPA it's like most legislation, you're one of four types of people...either on one side or the other, indifferent, or don't understand the question. I'm a software developer so licensing my products is important to me monetary-wise and preventing illegal unpaid use paramount. I have a huge vested interest in this subject but I'm still against the extent this goes.

Hey you play with fire you get burnt. He was obviously breaking the law and knew it. None of us know all the information they have but organisations like the FBI dont do this kind of thing for fun. Hes obviously done enough for them to act. Should have run it from mongolia thay dont have any extadition agreements.

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[Boom]

Stupid like the FBI. Who knows more the FBI or some kid on a bodybuilding website?

He knew what he was doing. Now he suffers the consequences. Bet he wishes he used some of his money to invest in a gym and some boxing lessons cos that fatty is going to be somebodies love toy.

Dont get so wound up Im sure you will be able to download you Justin Beiber cds for free you will just have to use another site. :cry:

Dude, I understand where you're coming from, and on issues like this it's important that all sides of the game get a say. But your points have holes bigger than Kim Kardashian's arse. Saying as a blanket rule the FBI knows more cause they're the FBI is both dangerous and naive. Bringing the MU situation up in relation only serves to highlight how flawed the US govt having this type of power is.

In the end it should never be the companies/creators/manufacturers who dictate how the consumers enjoy the product, it should be the opposite. If consumers don't want to pay for music anymore, perhaps the artists/record companies should change their business model. Ie. Tour more and sell tickets, live shows, live ppv concerts, whatever. It's backwards and quite frankly, (opinion) bullshit.

[tomleegolf]

":1rnz5j2d]i have literally thousands of dollars worth of pirated software. i would not buy ANY of this software legitimately (some licenses like for maple, matlab worth over $1k even for private use). Software companies have not lost any money from me from 'lost sales' or lost any physical products. Therefore it's not stealing.

In fact it is more likely that i would actually buy/reccomend their software (ie for buisness use) if I am familiar with it fom using my pirated copies.

as for the legislation, inb4

IT IS STEALING! You can justify it all you like but the bottom line is you stole it. Someone wormed their ass off to create that software and you download it for free and say I wouldnt have bought it anyway. Then you shouldnt have it.

[Dontrunwithknives]

":2zwc65hr]i have literally thousands of dollars worth of pirated software. i would not buy ANY of this software legitimately (some licenses like for maple, matlab worth over $1k even for private use). Software companies have not lost any money from me from 'lost sales' or lost any physical products. Therefore it's not stealing.

In fact it is more likely that i would actually buy/reccomend their software (ie for buisness use) if I am familiar with it fom using my pirated copies.

as for the legislation, inb4

IT IS STEALING! You can justify it all you like but the bottom line is you stole it. Someone wormed their ass off to create that software and you download it for free and say I wouldnt have bought it anyway. Then you shouldnt have it.

It's not stealing, it's piracy.

[Tinguerilla]

Stupid like the FBI. Who knows more the FBI or some kid on a bodybuilding website?

He knew what he was doing. Now he suffers the consequences. Bet he wishes he used some of his money to invest in a gym and some boxing lessons cos that fatty is going to be somebodies love toy.

Dont get so wound up Im sure you will be able to download you Justin Beiber cds for free you will just have to use another site. :cry:

Dude, I understand where you're coming from, and on issues like this it's important that all sides of the game get a say. But your points have holes bigger than Kim Kardashian's arse. Saying as a blanket rule the FBI knows more cause they're the FBI is both dangerous and naive. Bringing the MU situation up in relation only serves to highlight how flawed the US govt having this type of power is.

In the end it should never be the companies/creators/manufacturers who dictate how the consumers enjoy the product, it should be the opposite. If consumers don't want to pay for music anymore, perhaps the artists/record companies should change their business model. Ie. Tour more and sell tickets, live shows, live ppv concerts, whatever. It's backwards and quite frankly, (opinion) bullshit.

Im not putting all my faith into the FBI what im saying is they obviously know more that us on this case. Wheather you agree with them and the laws is irrelevent, If you dont like it enter politics and change it. Why is it flawed to have the govt to have these powers its just stopping a modern day theft.

Of course the companies/creators/manufacturers should dictate how its used. They created it and are the ones loosing out.

":20suoq29]i have literally thousands of dollars worth of pirated software. i would not buy ANY of this software legitimately (some licenses like for maple, matlab worth over $1k even for private use).So what if its $1k part with your money if you want it. I cant afford a ferrari, doesnt mean im entitled to go and take one. Software companies have not lost any money from me from 'lost sales' or lost any physical products. Therefore it's not stealing.

In fact it is more likely that i would actually buy/reccomend their software (ie for buisness use) if I am familiar with it fom using my pirated copies.

as for the legislation, inb4

IT IS STEALING! You can justify it all you like but the bottom line is you stole it. Someone wormed their ass off to create that software and you download it for free and say I wouldnt have bought it anyway. Then you shouldnt have it.

It's not stealing, it's piracy.

The consumer can dictate how its received through purchasing or not.

^totally agree just because your too much of a tight arse to splash out and purchase it you shouldnt have it. Your more than happy to use it but not pay for it. At the end of the day if you have something that you are meant to buy, but havent, but you have taken it any way its theft.

You can be as tricky as you want on the issue by saying that the original has only been copied not taken, which is true, but the maker of it loses money as you did not buy one of your own. Piracy Is theft. And just because you will tell business that its a good produce, get a job trialing software, who are you to decide you can have it for free to advise the world of its greatness to help sales.

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[karm015]

man this tinguerilla guy is really good at missing the point

boom's point about american govt having this kind of power went right over your head

dontrunwithknives' point about piracy not being theft went right over your head, too, even with the nice, big picture!

saying the industry should dictate how its products are used... do you even know what this means?

also missing the point of the thread. this is about SOPA/PIPA, not about ethics regarding illegally obtaining copyrighted digital property. no one is arguing that there shouldn't be a law to help fight piracy. SOPA/PIPA were just steaming piles of shit, is all

anyways why you so uptight about piracy. you put so much effort into writing these trite, self righteous little mini essays, makes me wonder what you're getting out of it :-s

btw you keep mentioning how piracy is costing the talent/artists/developers all this money, which again shows how ignorant you are - most of that money goes into the pockets of the suits. why you give a shit about them? they sure as hell don't give a shit about you, SOPA/PIPA are proof of that (not that anybody needed any :roll: )

ps http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201201 ... ught.shtml

[Tinguerilla]

":2g5ehrh7]my point is I dont want it enough to pay $1k . Maybe if it was $30 i'd buy it but $1k, lol no.

Please explain how me pirating this software costs the company money. ie how much have i cost them? i have over $10k of pirated software, did i cost the companies $10k?

Also explain why i should care. Software developers are well aware that piracy exists yet still enter the market i.e. they still make money.

Just because you dont want to pay $1000 dosent justify making an illegal copy. That makes you a theif. If you pirate $10k worth of software then someone along the way i.e. the retailer which then goes back to the maker of the software loses money. If this wasnt the case then all software would be free. You a a thief if you illegally copy software. Justify it how ever you want that its to expensive blah blah blah.

man this tinguerilla guy is really good at missing the point

boom's point about american govt having this kind of power went right over your head

dontrunwithknives' point about piracy not being theft went right over your head, too, even with the nice, big picture!

saying the industry should dictate how its products are used... do you even know what this means?

also missing the point of the thread. this is about SOPA/PIPA, not about ethics regarding illegally obtaining copyrighted digital property. no one is arguing that there shouldn't be a law to help fight piracy. SOPA/PIPA were just steaming piles of shit, is all

anyways why you so uptight about piracy. you put so much effort into writing these trite, self righteous little mini essays, makes me wonder what you're getting out of it :-s

btw you keep mentioning how piracy is costing the talent/artists/developers all this money, which again shows how ignorant you are - most of that money goes into the pockets of the suits. why you give a shit about them? they sure as hell don't give a shit about you, SOPA/PIPA are proof of that (not that anybody needed any :roll: )

ps http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201201 ... ught.shtml

Yawn :roll: