Prohormones

[size8]

Hi all,

Has anyone had any experience with these. I see them advertised over seas like H Drol, Havoc, Beastdrol etc...........................

Anygood?

Just interested.

Cheers.

8.

[Kiwijuice]

Yes. What did you want to know ?

[hhhh1]

Yes. What did you want to know ?

he wants to know if they work

[size8]

Yes. What did you want to know ?

Effectiveness.

Price.

Sides.

Have you tried using Gear and Pros ie Test E and an Oral Pro in replace of D Bol. '

Any other relevant info, would you use oral test over pros?

Cheers

8.

[Android]

Depends which one u use.

I used DHEA over the course of a year and a half before going to roids. In that time I was really happy with the recovery it gave me. No massive size increase though and i do remember Methoxyisoflavone (Animal M-Stack) made me stronger than DHEA ever did.

I now use DHEA for PCT and find it perfect to keep recovery and training at a decent level while Test levels are low.

Have used Andro but not sure if it was Andro 1 or Andro 1,4. It gave me huge aggression in the workout, really pushed me through some heavy weights I did 8 rep set of seated cable row with stack weight at <95kg body weight. It really gave me strong muscle contractions and the focus like that.

At the time this PH was doing the rounds with MMA fighters, gave an uncomfortable stomach ache but worth every gram for intensity.

Once u use gear there's no need to go back to PH but it's a good step up from supplements.

[size8]

Depends which one u use.

I used DHEA over the course of a year and a half before going to roids. In that time I was really happy with the recovery it gave me. No massive size increase though and i do remember Methoxyisoflavone (Animal M-Stack) made me stronger than DHEA ever did.

I now use DHEA for PCT and find it perfect to keep recovery and training at a decent level while Test levels are low.

Have used Andro but not sure if it was Andro 1 or Andro 1,4. It gave me huge aggression in the workout, really pushed me through some heavy weights I did 8 rep set of seated cable row with stack weight at <95kg body weight. It really gave me strong muscle contractions and the focus like that.

At the time this PH was doing the rounds with MMA fighters, gave an uncomfortable stomach ache but worth every gram for intensity.

Once u use gear there's no need to go back to PH but it's a good step up from supplements.

Thanks Android, Great post.

[I Declare War]

Size8, bear in mind that some of the "Prohormones" you mentioned up there are not actually prohormones. They're actually fully blown steroids that directly interact with the androgen receptors. These are not compounds that need to be chemically altered in the body for them to become effective.

Beastdrol... that's a compound also known as Superdrol. It's a steroid very similar in chemical structure to Masteron, the only addition is the 17-alpha alkylation to protect it from the liver so that it can be taken orally.

Here is the chemical structure of Masteron:

2 alpha, methyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one

Beastdrol:

2 alpha, 17a-Dimethyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one

Clearly, the only difference here is the 17a-methly addition to the structure to make it orally bio-available.

Superdrol/Beastdrol is a very potent anabolic steroid - its effects are much more pronounced than its cousin masteron also the side effects. It is in fact a much better muscle builder than many of the steroids typically used by bodybuilders. It's stronger than Dianabol. But, it's also more liver toxic than dianabol. You can only use it for 3 weeks at the recommended dosage... sides are extreme lethargy and muscle pumps.

Superdrol was my first foray into the world of steroids. Back in 2005 Bodybuilding.com sold the stuff... man my strength in the gym rocketed up. But yea I experienced a lot of sides on it...

Moral of the story... be careful with these prohormones, some aren't even prohormones, they're just steroids that haven't been clasified as such.

[size8]

Some great info here guys, Cheers,

8.

[severe]

If the stack recommended by sites requires a PCT to follow it, it is strong enough. but not as effective as adding testosterone. If you need to run PCT, may as well go for the hormone that rules them all.

[Android]

Good info IDW, learnt something new in there cheers! :-)

[comingdayandnight]

I did a few cycles of PH's back in the day when they were legal. Were a good alternative if you didn't want to go for a full blown roid cycle.

Got good gains in muscle mass and strength but the PH cycle is only short at only 4 weeks, your just starting to come up to your peak and then you have to come off.

[muscle99]

Has anyone ordered prohormones from an overseas website and they managed to get through customs?

[Android]

Has anyone ordered prohormones from an overseas website and they managed to get through customs?

Yes, it's the few options u have available to get them in.

Don't ask which ones it'll end up in some Customs database...although it isn't really a secret lol

[muscle99]

What gains have you experienced from them? Is keeping your gains easy, providing you train heavy and take a PCT product?

[Kiwijuice]

What gains have you experienced from them? Is keeping your gains easy, providing you train heavy and take a PCT product?

Gains are quite suprisingly easy to keep. especially if you go with one of the dryer compounds however a lot of them can go either way i.e are more diet dependent.

Out of the ones you have listed i avoided beastdrol as i have heard some bad reviews about it plus heard it is very harsh on liver.

The havoc/epistane is great stuff very lean dry gains in body composition at the recommended dose over 4 weeks. Look up the list of side effects however as some people are very prone to getting sides from this compound.

The 'h-drol' is an interesting one. Never seen such fast gains. Recommended that you run for 4 weeks but i only made it to 2 and a half weeks and by that point i had put on 10kg had huge increases in strength and aggression and felt lethargic and moody all of the time. I ended up changing to another compound so kept all the gains but felt a lot better.

A lot of them are very strong compounds and are more steroids than prohormones. I have never put on 10kg in 4 weeks let alone 2 from using dianabol so yes i would say stronger. But I would still prefer dianabol as it makes you feel a lot better.

I would recommend them as a beginner to a injectable cycle but wouldnt recommend taking them alone as the cycles are too short.

[Android]

What gains have you experienced from them? Is keeping your gains easy, providing you train heavy and take a PCT product?

From true pro-hormones I haven't had much gains in the sense of size that gear brings. It's the recovery and training intensity that I noticed the most.

As stated by others many are not pro-hormones but steroids, just like H-Drol which would make you big.

muscle99 you PM'd me but you have disabled private messages...sorry dude I can't reply to you in private. Hope this helps.

I'm not gonna give out website names.

I pick products that aren't labelled like "DHEA-25" for instance but rather labelled "Natural Warm-Fuzziness". If you know Customs you know the listed items in a shipment aren't initially checked by hand they get checked against a database so "DHEA" raises a red flag against Item-ABCD1234 let's say.

Whereas "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" does not...until someone discovers that it's really DHEA and then it does. So once you find your gem of a product keep it to yourself.

You'll also note that lots of shipments have red flags raised based on the items inside them and Customs cannot inspect every single container and every single mail item, so some items get through but does not mean they aren't aware of it getting through. Hence why sometimes my mate Dave's Melatonin gets through, and sometimes it is stopped. After a while Dave's delivery address gets added to the database though and even "safe" items like "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" are inspected going to that address by hand and when they read the ingredients on the label saying DHEA...what do ya know "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" is now in Customs database thankyou very much.

Hope that helps someone, somewhere :naughty:

[size8]

What gains have you experienced from them? Is keeping your gains easy, providing you train heavy and take a PCT product?

From true pro-hormones I haven't had much gains in the sense of size that gear brings. It's the recovery and training intensity that I noticed the most.

As stated by others many are not pro-hormones but steroids, just like H-Drol which would make you big.

muscle99 you PM'd me but you have disabled private messages...sorry dude I can't reply to you in private. Hope this helps.

I'm not gonna give out website names.

I pick products that aren't labelled like "DHEA-25" for instance but rather labelled "Natural Warm-Fuzziness". If you know Customs you know the listed items in a shipment aren't initially checked by hand they get checked against a database so "DHEA" raises a red flag against Item-ABCD1234 let's say.

Whereas "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" does not...until someone discovers that it's really DHEA and then it does. So once you find your gem of a product keep it to yourself.

You'll also note that lots of shipments have red flags raised based on the items inside them and Customs cannot inspect every single container and every single mail item, so some items get through but does not mean they aren't aware of it getting through. Hence why sometimes my mate Dave's Melatonin gets through, and sometimes it is stopped. After a while Dave's delivery address gets added to the database though and even "safe" items like "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" are inspected going to that address by hand and when they read the ingredients on the label saying DHEA...what do ya know "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" is now in Customs database thankyou very much.

Hope that helps someone, somewhere :naughty:

Excellent post man, Thats really good info dude.

[IamaFish]

What gains have you experienced from them? Is keeping your gains easy, providing you train heavy and take a PCT product?

From true pro-hormones I haven't had much gains in the sense of size that gear brings. It's the recovery and training intensity that I noticed the most.

As stated by others many are not pro-hormones but steroids, just like H-Drol which would make you big.

muscle99 you PM'd me but you have disabled private messages...sorry dude I can't reply to you in private. Hope this helps.

I'm not gonna give out website names.

I pick products that aren't labelled like "DHEA-25" for instance but rather labelled "Natural Warm-Fuzziness". If you know Customs you know the listed items in a shipment aren't initially checked by hand they get checked against a database so "DHEA" raises a red flag against Item-ABCD1234 let's say.

Whereas "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" does not...until someone discovers that it's really DHEA and then it does. So once you find your gem of a product keep it to yourself.

You'll also note that lots of shipments have red flags raised based on the items inside them and Customs cannot inspect every single container and every single mail item, so some items get through but does not mean they aren't aware of it getting through. Hence why sometimes my mate Dave's Melatonin gets through, and sometimes it is stopped. After a while Dave's delivery address gets added to the database though and even "safe" items like "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" are inspected going to that address by hand and when they read the ingredients on the label saying DHEA...what do ya know "Natural Warm-Fuzziness" is now in Customs database thankyou very much.

Hope that helps someone, somewhere :naughty:

Repped for future reference :oops:

[severe]

I used a product about 10 years ago called SYZON (if I remember correctly) and it had androstenedione in it.

I recovered fast, but got insane nosebleeds from the blood pressure. I was gutted when it got banned.