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Shutupandsquat Veteran member

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When I heard on the news last night when his mum still loves him.I was like WTF I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail and desevers it

I hope he does spend the rest of his life in jail and was also like WTF when i heard on the news last night.

I was like WTH when I heard on the news last night.

Srs? I was like FML when I heard it on the news last night.

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two_phat Senior member

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Its a sad time for NZ when stuff like this happens....seriously how can our society breed animals like this? Where did we/the family/the community go wrong with this guy?

PHEW, I am so glad he's brown! Really validates my racist beliefs. For a second there I thought I might be offending people by making blanket statements, but after getting this kind of validation I now realise I was right all allong. Brown people are fucking child rapists, robbers and drug dealing thieves.

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Your family album? Actually, a lot of white priests have been caught for being child molesterers. Either way. crush them under a 5 ton slab of concrete, dropped from 5 storeys. Pay per view, proceeds go to victim/s.

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That was some irony there referring to comments made the previous day about the race of the offender.

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Outkast Senior member

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Blaming alcohol? Haha what a joke. There are things that you can blame alcohol for. Like sleeping with your girlfriends sister or stealing your neighbours gnomes from their garden . Even waking up next to that ginger yeti that weighs 350 pounds but not doing that to a 5 year old child. Agree , put down.

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I have to agree with two_phat on this one, firstly I found the racist overtones in this thread revolting. And I'm less quick to judge the offender as I am to take a look at a society that allows an innocent individual be raised in a way that turns into someone who would do something like this. "Putting him down" is a quick fix that won't stop it happening again.

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"Putting him down" is a quick fix that won't stop it happening again.

It would have a 100% success rate at reducing reoffending. Reoffending is in my opinion, avoidable. But not through prayer and self-help lectures. Turning the other check and accepting that serious criminals have 'done their time' so should be given a fresh start is ridiculous.

Victims can often spend the remander of their lives in fear, and withdrawl from society.

As for the boy, it is more like home life, than society as a whole. Society allows laws to stay weak. A winning combo, then.

I feel nothing for the boy.

Not everyone who had a shit upbringing turns into a monster than preys on those who can't defend themselves.

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It would have a 100% success rate at reducing reoffending. Reoffending is in my opinion, avoidable through death.

Yes obviously HE won't re-offend, and he should be punished. But it's a reactive measure not a preventative one, so it doesn't address the issue of helping to reduce incidents of similarly unacceptable behavior by others.

And it is more like home life, than society as a whole. Society allows laws to stay weak. A winning combo, then.

I agree with what your saying here, my point was more around society as an underlying problem, which leads to the home life, I take a step back from the family too, how did they end up where they are?

Not everyone who had a shit upbringing turns into a monster than preys on those who can't defend themselves.

Indeed, we are very lucky, else there would be heaps more of this stuff happening! But if we look at an individual, and say that there are two possible outcomes in his life. a. Don't commit heinous crime and b. commit heinous crime. And the factor which may tip the scales towards b. commuting heinous crime is whether or not he has a shit upbringing, then doesn't it make sense to try and reduce the incidents that people receive a shit upbringing in the first place?

If less people in NZ receive a shit upbringing, then there is less of a chance heinous crimes being committed?

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^Agree with both of you, he should be shot but there should be more done to prevent it in the first place.

Although I think most issues like this stem from one thing, overpopulation e.g poor people having too many kids.

Heard something a while ago that blew my mind, lady complaining about the Nat govt says "How the f*ck am I supposed to feed my 5 kids when my husband is on minimum wage and my benefit is f*ck all!?"

Ummm hello! Why the f*ck did you have 5 kids if you cant afford to feed them you dumb bitch!!!!!!!!!???????

Some whole familys just need sterilising.

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I have to agree with two_phat on this one, firstly I found the racist overtones in this thread revolting. And I'm less quick to judge the offender as I am to take a look at a society that allows an innocent individual be raised in a way that turns into someone who would do something like this. "Putting him down" is a quick fix that won't stop it happening again.

Agree race has nothing to do with it . But i take no pity on rapists, murderers or any of those sick people. Im tired of these guys getting off lightly because somebody plays the "Oh he had a horrible upbringing" card. Time to start cracking down.

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musclenz Veteran member

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Random thoughts -

Humans have Free Choice & it is a burden.........

We choose our parents before we get here...........

Living on Earth can be Hell so why would you make it easy on him by removing him from the planet physically........

Understanding Compassion at all levels is the key to rehabilitation & reform.

Very tough Love has its place......... :D

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Understanding Compassion at all levels is the key to rehabilitation & reform.

The assumption that rehabilitation restores one's life by education and/or therapy is in itself perhaps a very broad stretch. One can only be rehabilitated if one 'chooses to' not if one is 'made to'. Accountability and personal responsibility must be addressed. When one does this – then and ONLY then will rehabilitation be given some significance. Secondly, there is no sound evidence that will determine how certain individuals will respond to rehabilitation.

Is it the responsibility of society to address these offenders issues? No. It is the responsibility of the family unit and those within that where accountability lies.

We make assumptions in regards to this young man's life and the reasons why he chose to do this heinous crime. Note, I mentioned 'chose'.

In the end, it is a choice that he has made, and no amount of finger -pointing, or laying blame at societies feet - can change that.

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Understanding Compassion at all levels is the key to rehabilitation & reform.

The assumption that rehabilitation restores one's life by education and/or therapy is in itself perhaps a very broad stretch. One can only be rehabilitated if one 'chooses to' not if one is 'made to'. Accountability and personal responsibility must be addressed. When one does this – then and ONLY then will rehabilitation be given some significance. Secondly, there is no sound evidence that will determine how certain individuals will respond to rehabilitation.

Is it the responsibility of society to address these offenders issues? No. It is the responsibility of the family unit and those within that where accountability lies.

We make assumptions in regards to this young man's life and the reasons why he chose to do this heinous crime. Note, I mentioned 'chose'.

In the end, it is a choice that he has made, and no amount of finger -pointing, or laying blame at societies feet - can change that.

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this care bear, "blame society, poverty, his parents blah blah" crap is boring and a cop out

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Jigga Senior member

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The kid was born with a mental defect.

Paedophiles, gays, mass murderers can all be lumped in the same boat. Their brains didn't begin or develop like most people's.

From what I've read about his parents, it wasn't that he didn't know right from wrong. He couldn't control the overwhelming natural urges he felt, simple as that.

It has nothing to do with family, community, preventative programmes blah blah. How many people would announce they were a paedophile and ask for help?

If it was my daughter I would kill him without hesitation. Again that would be a natural human reaction to the situation.

There's no current solution to the problem imo.

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We live in a society that has outlawed physical discipline, for murder you can be out of jail within 7 years, in Texas if there are three witnesses to a murder murderer recieves life in prison and life means life. A mate's brother in on home d for drink driving for the fifth time, but he can drive to work. There is something wrong with system when the government invests 30 million into a boat race but wont even look at providing services to ensure a better future society

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Understanding Compassion at all levels is the key to rehabilitation & reform.

The assumption that rehabilitation restores one's life by education and/or therapy is in itself perhaps a very broad stretch. One can only be rehabilitated if one 'chooses to' not if one is 'made to'. Accountability and personal responsibility must be addressed. When one does this – then and ONLY then will rehabilitation be given some significance. Secondly, there is no sound evidence that will determine how certain individuals will respond to rehabilitation.

Is it the responsibility of society to address these offenders issues? No. It is the responsibility of the family unit and those within that where accountability lies.

We make assumptions in regards to this young man's life and the reasons why he chose to do this heinous crime. Note, I mentioned 'chose'.

In the end, it is a choice that he has made, and no amount of finger -pointing, or laying blame at societies feet - can change that.

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We live in a society that has outlawed physical discipline, for murder you can be out of jail within 7 years, in Texas if there are three witnesses to a murder murderer recieves life in prison and life means life. A mate's brother in on home d for drink driving for the fifth time, but he can drive to work. There is something wrong with system when the government invests 30 million into a boat race but wont even look at providing services to ensure a better future society

That boat race would bring far more into the economy than it costs, NZ has a huge marine industry with a great global reputation, so its exactly that, an "investment" and a bloody good one.

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We live in a society that has outlawed physical discipline, for murder you can be out of jail within 7 years, in Texas if there are three witnesses to a murder murderer recieves life in prison and life means life. A mate's brother in on home d for drink driving for the fifth time, but he can drive to work. There is something wrong with system when the government invests 30 million into a boat race but wont even look at providing services to ensure a better future society

That boat race would bring far more into the economy than it costs, NZ has a huge marine industry with a great global reputation, so its exactly that, an "investment" and a bloody good one.

But where does the money trickle down to? those who need it the most? Yes great for the economy but my point was more money needs to put into areas that will develop NZ as a whole. How many Maori's have you seen on an america's cup boat? not trying to be racist

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