Using WPI/powder more than food.

[Bluto]

I have never met anybody who can stomach 500g WPC everyday for a long period of time.

The total opposite for WPI, I have got lotsw of people onto 500g WPI per day, and every single person has zero stomach complaints, and all positive reports, especilly saving money and building muscle for cheap.

Always have WPI with Fats and Carbs to slow absorbtion, unless pre and or post workout.

[I Declare War]

I have never met anybody who can stomach 500g WPC everyday for a long period of time.

The total opposite for WPI, I have got lotsw of people onto 500g WPI per day, and every single person has zero stomach complaints, and all positive reports, especilly saving money and building muscle for cheap.

Always have WPI with Fats and Carbs to slow absorbtion, unless pre and or post workout.

500g per day?!? That's a bit excessive. Do they not eat real food?

[nate225]

I have never met anybody who can stomach 500g WPC everyday for a long period of time.

The total opposite for WPI, I have got lotsw of people onto 500g WPI per day, and every single person has zero stomach complaints, and all positive reports, especilly saving money and building muscle for cheap.

Always have WPI with Fats and Carbs to slow absorbtion, unless pre and or post workout.

Big fella, just a fe w questions:

Why would you have 500g of WPC a day? With meats on top of (Im assuming at least 3 meals) you're heading up to the 1000g of protein a day???? Even at 400g total protein my kidneys aren't filtering it that well (showing albumin in urine) - what sort of strain would 1kg of protein a day put you under?

Also by adding carbs & fats you slow it down (as you mentioned) whereas many want it in fast (post workout)?

Are you referring to the amount of lactose in WPC being an issue in high amounts?

[Bluto]

I have never met anybody who can stomach 500g WPC everyday for a long period of time.

The total opposite for WPI, I have got lotsw of people onto 500g WPI per day, and every single person has zero stomach complaints, and all positive reports, especilly saving money and building muscle for cheap.

Always have WPI with Fats and Carbs to slow absorbtion, unless pre and or post workout.

500g per day?!? That's a bit excessive. Do they not eat real food?

I eat for enjoyment, so this way i know ive got all my macros for the day every day. I dont always have time to cook 10 meals a day and junk food makes me sick.

So i drink my macros and then eating is just a bonus. Works for me.

400g Protein = 1600 cal

500 carbs = 2000

150 fat almost 1500 cal

bout 5000cal, which is what i aim for per day.

I make this into a 4-5litre shake which i drink all day, when i eat a meal it a bonus on top of days macros.

[Bluto]

I have never met anybody who can stomach 500g WPC everyday for a long period of time.

The total opposite for WPI, I have got lotsw of people onto 500g WPI per day, and every single person has zero stomach complaints, and all positive reports, especilly saving money and building muscle for cheap.

Always have WPI with Fats and Carbs to slow absorbtion, unless pre and or post workout.

Big fella, just a fe w questions:

Why would you have 500g of WPC a day? With meats on top of (Im assuming at least 3 meals) you're heading up to the 1000g of protein a day???? Even at 400g total protein my kidneys aren't filtering it that well (showing albumin in urine) - what sort of strain would 1kg of protein a day put you under?

Also by adding carbs & fats you slow it down (as you mentioned) whereas many want it in fast (post workout)?

Are you referring to the amount of lactose in WPC being an issue in high amounts?

I dont eat much extra protein than that, pretty much live on WPI. When i do have time to cook i just maybee have some shake left at end of the day, and drink it next morning.

Done my best growing on WPI.

Im totally lactose intollerent, and the majority of people over the age of 13 are somewhat lactose intollerent, beacuse of pasturization.

If I could get Raw milk i would drink that but otherwise LActose is for babies.

[I Declare War]

I have never met anybody who can stomach 500g WPC everyday for a long period of time.

The total opposite for WPI, I have got lotsw of people onto 500g WPI per day, and every single person has zero stomach complaints, and all positive reports, especilly saving money and building muscle for cheap.

Always have WPI with Fats and Carbs to slow absorbtion, unless pre and or post workout.

500g per day?!? That's a bit excessive. Do they not eat real food?

I eat for enjoyment, so this way i know ive got all my macros for the day every day. I dont always have time to cook 10 meals a day and junk food makes me sick.

So i drink my macros and then eating is just a bonus. Works for me.

400g Protein = 1600 cal

500 carbs = 2000

150 fat almost 1500 cal

bout 5000cal, which is what i aim for per day.

I make this into a 4-5litre shake which i drink all day, when i eat a meal it a bonus on top of days macros.

fuark you're like an Oracle. I might try that... I spend like half an hour eating each of my damn meals and I end up just chewing and not being able to swallow it down unless I've got a glass of water with me. Will have to try WPI... regular whey kills my guts.

[rovr4on]

I have never met anybody who can stomach 500g WPC everyday for a long period of time.

The total opposite for WPI, I have got lotsw of people onto 500g WPI per day, and every single person has zero stomach complaints, and all positive reports, especilly saving money and building muscle for cheap.

Always have WPI with Fats and Carbs to slow absorbtion, unless pre and or post workout.

Big fella, just a fe w questions:

Why would you have 500g of WPC a day? With meats on top of (Im assuming at least 3 meals) you're heading up to the 1000g of protein a day???? Even at 400g total protein my kidneys aren't filtering it that well (showing albumin in urine) - what sort of strain would 1kg of protein a day put you under?

Also by adding carbs & fats you slow it down (as you mentioned) whereas many want it in fast (post workout)?

Are you referring to the amount of lactose in WPC being an issue in high amounts?

I dont eat much extra protein than that, pretty much live on WPI. When i do have time to cook i just maybee have some shake left at end of the day, and drink it next morning.

Done my best growing on WPI.

Im totally lactose intollerent, and the majority of people over the age of 13 are somewhat lactose intollerent, beacuse of pasturization.

If I could get Raw milk i would drink that but otherwise LActose is for babies.

how can you say you have done your best growing on WPI, when due to your lactose intolerance you havnt been able to really try WPC...seems a little bias without the data to back it up....but epic shake by any means :grin:

[Bluto]

Big fella, just a fe w questions:

Why would you have 500g of WPC a day? With meats on top of (Im assuming at least 3 meals) you're heading up to the 1000g of protein a day???? Even at 400g total protein my kidneys aren't filtering it that well (showing albumin in urine) - what sort of strain would 1kg of protein a day put you under?

Also by adding carbs & fats you slow it down (as you mentioned) whereas many want it in fast (post workout)?

Are you referring to the amount of lactose in WPC being an issue in high amounts?

I dont eat much extra protein than that, pretty much live on WPI. When i do have time to cook i just maybee have some shake left at end of the day, and drink it next morning.

Done my best growing on WPI.

Im totally lactose intollerent, and the majority of people over the age of 13 are somewhat lactose intollerent, beacuse of pasturization.

If I could get Raw milk i would drink that but otherwise LActose is for babies.

how can you say you have done your best growing on WPI, when due to your lactose intolerance you havnt been able to really try WPC...seems a little bias without the data to back it up....but epic shake by any means :grin:

Try it with WPC, anybody, for a long period of time. Pretty much all adults cannot process lactose, unless raw milk. Some people can handle more lactose than others, that dosnt mean its good for them, lactose is not good for anybody but babies.

The main reason people drink wpc is the cost, ive never ever met anybody who feels better on WPC to WPI.

[I Declare War]

Yo Bluto, you got a good source for WPI?

[Bluto]

I get mine from Davis Trading, Ion Exhange WPI, 20kg - $720. So $36 per kg strait from Fonterra.

They also sell 800ml Glycerin for $8, and Cocoa powder for chocolate shakes and organic EVOO.

I used to spend $40 a day on chicken, and live in a apartment where cant fit a deep freeze for bulk chicken or steak.

[soundsgood]

Hmmmm I hear what you're saying Bluto. The endless eating of 2kg of chicken Breast EVERY DAY gets old after a few years. :puke: :pale:

If youve managed to get solid results at the higher end of the scale you are I might have to give this a go.

Do you need a trading account at Davis trading or can u just order online?

[Bluto]

Hmmmm I hear what you're saying Bluto. The endless eating of 2kg of chicken Breast EVERY DAY gets old after a few years. :puke: :pale:

If youve managed to get solid results at the higher end of the scale you are I might have to give this a go.

Do you need a trading account at Davis trading or can u just order online?

I just go into the shop and they usually have to order it from fonterra.

Having that big 20kg sack in your cupboard whens you never have no protein in the house. Its the cheapest and best way to get protein powder i know of.

I love fish and chicken but you have to keep buying 2kg everyday as it goes off so fast, and freezing and thawing is a c*nt.

I love rump steak as it stays good for 5+ days in the fridge, but unless you can cook outside, cooking 2kg+ steak every day, stinks out your house fast.

I pretty live off WPI and throw in the odd steak when i can. For dieting it might not be the absolute best as you are hungry all the time, but when trying to grow i like being hungry.

[Mike250]

unless the chicken is charbroiled, I wouldn't eat it, at least that has been my experience with chicken.

I've tried several cuts of steaks. Problem with these is I end up marinating them for a day to get them to soak up enough of the flavour otherwise most of the cuts taste like shit

[startinfromscratch]

i reckon blutos posts in here are worthy of their own thread. I might start one..

[startinfromscratch]

hoping a mod will transfer the relevant comments here from the other thread.

Blutos comments about using WPI as his main source of daily protein, in large amounts kinda goes against the norm we are told (not a bad thing!) about using 'real' food and that shakes are just supplementary.

I beleive Bluto has the lifts and physique to back up his posts, so i thought a discussion on this might be interesting. I remember the ass-pineappling that NickSmith got when he was just using powder and oats for 90% of his meals, everyone gave him so much butthurt he stopped posting (lol).

Bluto, can you elaborate a bit on the difference you feel using WPI over meat, as youve obviously done both. Most on here know what a c*nt it is constantly prepping chicken/steak/rice etc.

I might do some costings and try and figurre out the $$$ difference between the 2 different approaches...

discuss.

[Terrymundo]

just read the topic. really really really interesting I would be keen to try the powder and oats diet. just imagine the time saved cooking, eating, thawing etc. would be so easy to control your macros.

looking forward to blutos reasoning.

[holdenman]

This is very much pro IIFYM, goes against most of the usual thinking about bodybuilding nutrition but would be interesting to see if anyone can prove it wrong, I doubt they could.

Would be willing to give this a try, certainly cost/convenience seems a lot better...

One question for Bluto, do you feel hungry all the time, like you wanna eat or do you feel full?

[Bluto]

If I stick to 500ml Juice, 50g Protein, 15-20ml EVOO everytime Im hungry, then I usually want a shake about every two hours.

But I usually just make up a big bottle and sip on it allday. Usually 2 x 2 Litre Bottles.

4 Litres of shake a day and couple of powerades when I train, keeps you hydrated at the same time.

My only problem is I like junk food, but I crave that no matter what my diet is.

[Mike250]

orange juice?

[Bluto]

orange juice?

My fridge is loaded with Organic Apple Juice, Feijoa Juice (i have this the most), Fresh Squuezed Orange Juice (nice but $12 for 2 Litres) and some Pinapple Juice---moore wilsons. You can top up with sprite zero if you want less carbs but more liquid.

When Im really disiclplined I can go days with not eating, just drinking all my macros and feel awesome, still regular from all the EVOO. I hardly eat any fibre I find if you take in alot of fats you dont need much fibre-simalar to a atkins diet.

I maintain 130kg at 183cm easily on this diet, leanish. And done some of my strongest lifts dieting like this.

Ive done years of eating meat, potatoes, rice etc etc etc and switching to WPI as main/only protein source ans fruit juice only for carbs, Ive noticed zero difference, except less bloating and alot easier.

I havnt tried dieting all the way to a show like this, but for offseason growing its easy as way to get your macros. I can get pretty lean on just WPI/juice and EVOO but lately had no motivation to get super lean, still trying to get legs alot bigger and everythiong else.

[Mike250]

interesting to say the least. I just mix in different kinds of fruit with soy milk for each meal and then have some whey pudding (with nuts and yoghurt) on the side.

[hhhh1]

interesting to say the least. I just mix in different kinds of fruit with soy milk for each meal and then have some whey pudding (with nuts and yoghurt) on the side.

enjoy your estrogen

[PeterDolan]

interesting to say the least. I just mix in different kinds of fruit with soy milk for each meal and then have some whey pudding (with nuts and yoghurt) on the side.

enjoy your estrogen

Nothing conclusive to prove this

[Calvin]

orange juice?

When Im really disiclplined I can go days with not eating, just drinking all my macros and feel awesome, still regular from all the EVOO.

Do you shit liquid?? (srs)

[I Declare War]

orange juice?

When Im really disiclplined I can go days with not eating, just drinking all my macros and feel awesome, still regular from all the EVOO.

Do you shit liquid?? (srs)

Good question! There's no roughage in that diet. Bluto, how many other meals do you eat every day? i.e. the junk food that you say you like so much.