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dymatrixnz

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Hi guys;

Newish member here.

I have been considering cycling for a while now and have been told about a decent stack and was wondering what you guys thought of it for a first cycle?

nandrolone undecylenate :-s

test e250

testosterone enanthate

The main question I have is around nandrolone undecylenate. I have been told to pin twice a week with that stuff but Im having a hard time finding out ANYTHING on it... References to anything Undecylenate suggest boldenone undecylenate. I checked wikipedia and it sounds similar to decca but far less estrogen boosting effects? :pray:

Help! and thanks in advace for giving me some direction.

5"7'

90kgs

32 Years old

Male

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Boldenone and deca are quite different mate. Dunno why they are compared so much it's a wee bit like comparing winny tabs and dbol tabs in the aspect of total difference

just use test for first cycle bro.

test e250

testosterone enanthate

From what I gather Teste 250 is Testosterone anathate with 250mg per ml is that right?

Yeah I think ill just stick with test im still doing my pre reading through pages and pages of crap from 100's of different sites. :( Have a long way to go but I wanna do this right if im going to do it at all aye.

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nandrolone undecylenate?.............wut?

YEah exactly... im keen to know what that even is lol. I had it offered to me but yeah I'm thinking of just bypassing that and sticking to test-e but you know... knowledge is power and al the rest. Would liek to know if anyone knows what this stuff is/does?

I compared to Decca because it sounded like it increased redbloodcell count etc. And has the Decca Dick side effects :-s

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'Deca' is the trade name for nandrolone decanoate, what you have is the same thing just with a longer ester chain attached meaning it takes longer to be released in the body.

So hypothetically speaking would I stack 500mg of Test e as my base and then 200mg of nandrolone?

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'Deca' is the trade name for nandrolone decanoate, what you have is the same thing just with a longer ester chain attached meaning it takes longer to be released in the body.

So hypothetically speaking would I stack 500mg of Test e as my base and then 200mg of nandrolone?

that's a good ratio of testosterone to nandrolone. But far to much for a first cycle.

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nandrolone undecylenate?.............wut?

YEah exactly... im keen to know what that even is lol. I had it offered to me but yeah I'm thinking of just bypassing that and sticking to test-e but you know... knowledge is power and al the rest. Would liek to know if anyone knows what this stuff is/does?

I compared to Decca because it sounded like it increased redbloodcell count etc. And has the Decca Dick side effects :-s

Read up at isteroid and steroid.com for basic run-down of what deca is. In terms of increasing red blood cells, pretty much all steroids do that so I wouldn't pick Deca just for that. Deca is very anabolic (growth promoting) and not very androgenic (male sex characterist promoting), so you won't get very much aggression and sex drive off it. In fact, Deca by itself will shut down your natural testosterone production but not provide enough of the testosterone-type (androgen receptor binding) effects - which we call "deca dick", meaning you won't even be able to get wood.

But to be honest, I wouldn't run deca for a first cycle - some of us here get bad gynocomastia from running steroids that increase levels of prolactin (such as deca).

For your first cycle, most people recommend running just a single ester (type) of testosterone at between 250 - 500mg. You'll grow off 250 provided (as Tomsance says, you're training and nutrition isn't retarded). Obviously you'll grow even more off 500mg, but you'll also likely experience much worse side effects, and run a greater risk of having issues with Gyno (bitch tits).

A few other questions are important in regards to basic steroid knowledge (given also that your experience and knowledge of training and nutrition is sound).

1. Do you know what the side effects are of steroids and why?

2. Do you know what PCT (post cycle therapy) is, and do you have a plan?

3. Do you know what an ester is - because you have listed testosterone enanthate twice by saying Test e plus test enanthate. A basic knowledge of an ester is important.

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Tom, you reckon 250 Sust would be enough for a newbie?

if your not a moron in regards to training and nutrition 1ml/week of sus250 will make any first timer grow very well.

yep, you'll feel like you're going thru puberty again with 1ml/week of sus250 lol.

you joining the dark side PD? :D

Lol

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nandrolone undecylenate?.............wut?

YEah exactly... im keen to know what that even is lol. I had it offered to me but yeah I'm thinking of just bypassing that and sticking to test-e but you know... knowledge is power and al the rest. Would liek to know if anyone knows what this stuff is/does?

I compared to Decca because it sounded like it increased redbloodcell count etc. And has the Decca Dick side effects :-s

Read up at isteroid and steroid.com for basic run-down of what deca is. In terms of increasing red blood cells, pretty much all steroids do that so I wouldn't pick Deca just for that. Deca is very anabolic (growth promoting) and not very androgenic (male sex characterist promoting), so you won't get very much aggression and sex drive off it. In fact, Deca by itself will shut down your natural testosterone production but not provide enough of the testosterone-type (androgen receptor binding) effects - which we call "deca dick", meaning you won't even be able to get wood.

But to be honest, I wouldn't run deca for a first cycle - some of us here get bad gynocomastia from running steroids that increase levels of prolactin (such as deca).

For your first cycle, most people recommend running just a single ester (type) of testosterone at between 250 - 500mg. You'll grow off 250 provided (as Tomsance says, you're training and nutrition isn't retarded). Obviously you'll grow even more off 500mg, but you'll also likely experience much worse side effects, and run a greater risk of having issues with Gyno (bitch tits).

A few other questions are important in regards to basic steroid knowledge (given also that your experience and knowledge of training and nutrition is sound).

1. Do you know what the side effects are of steroids and why?

2. Do you know what PCT (post cycle therapy) is, and do you have a plan?

3. Do you know what an ester is - because you have listed testosterone enanthate twice by saying Test e plus test enanthate. A basic knowledge of an ester is important.

Hey mate; Thanks for this! Yeah i know about the side effects I'm a little confused about what an ester is like you say and I'm still coming to grips with all the different brands there are out there.

I thought exactly that after I wrote them. :doh:

WHY DIDN'T THEY TEACH US THIS STUFF IN SCHOOL?!?!?!?!

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Hey mate; Thanks for this! Yeah i know about the side effects I'm a little confused about what an ester is like you say and I'm still coming to grips with all the different brands there are out there.

I thought exactly that after I wrote them. :doh:

WHY DIDN'T THEY TEACH US THIS STUFF IN SCHOOL?!?!?!?!

haha yeah good question!

I wouldn't be worried about brands at this stage - what is more important is that your source is someone you trust and know, or can verify through others. Even if the brand sounds legit it could be counterfeit or tampered with!

Here is something that hone wrote in another current thread on esters:

Esterification is a process where a carboxylic acid is attached to the steroid molecule. This makes it difficult for the blood to pick it up and carry it into circulation and likewise slows the rate the drug can leave the injection site.As a result an inactive deposit of steroid can sit at the site of the injection, releasing slowly for days or weeks into the blood stream. Once free in the blood the ester is removed quickly by enzymes and the base steroid is rendered active. Different esters take longer than others at one end we have esters like prop with quite a short life and at the other end decanoate with a long life.

Basically, without an ester testosterone would be processed immediately upon injection and its effects would last only minutes. To stop this and make it more useful, we add an additional structure to testosterone to slow it down. That's an ester. Some esters are small and easier to break down and in the steroid world an example of this is propionate. This ester will slow the releasing of test so that it releases over two days. A longer ester we use with steroids is Enanthate, which releases over 4-6 days. And then there is Decanoate, lasting around 10 days (Deca is a greek prefix for ten).

In practical terms, a shorter ester means: you feel the effects more suddenly as your blood levels spike faster; you need to inject more frequently to keep them stable; and the drug will come out of your system much faster - which is useful if you have strong side effects. In contrast, longer esters mean: a more stable release into the blood; you pin less frequently; and the drug takes longer to come out of your system.

Most people use Testosterone Enanthate the first time because it's a medium ester, and requires pinning around 2x a week rather than ED or EOD with prop.

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