Would you support a new fed if it was started?

[tinytraps]

Maybe a better way to see real interest?

Lets assume the new fed is WPC/WPO affiliated.

[red machine]

any 3-ply "bat suits" aloud in those feds? if so im def in

[thatwaslight]

any 3-ply "bat suits" aloud in those feds? if so im def in

lmao, we can share bro!

[red machine]

any 3-ply "bat suits" aloud in those feds? if so im def in

lmao, we can share bro!

4 sure bro....im talkin straight LEVIATHAN styles

[thatwaslight]

lmao at stands on its own! is there anything it cant do?! looks like it could double as a flak jacket

[scrambledeggs]

From what ive seen ipf has the best rules for lifts, the pause on the chest, crease below knee for a squat etc. NZ powerlifting just needs to get behind clubs more with funding. I use to do surf life saving and i think NZ powerlifting could learn a lot from the way they promote and support clubs. Promote the sport more with expo lifts at public places where people who have never heard of it will see it. Imagine popping down to the local plaza and seeing some huge dudes benchin 200 +. This combined with intense advertising would surely attract people. From my experience at cbc most the members once they have discovered powerlifting fall in love with it. Because there are only sadly about 3 hardcore powerlifting gyms in NZ I think advertising novice comps at your regular gyms would attract much more competitors. I would love to see this sport grow, im only new to it but I love it.

[steak]

Plenty to consider here but as a PL club and not profiting at all from the sport, CBC (as an entity not as a person) would more than likely support it. It would gives its lifters the choice then of competing for IPF or WPC just like a rugby club supports its players playing 15 a side and playing 7s.

We as a club don't make decisions for our lifters but we are here to support them. They are after all the lifeblood of the club and sport.

[steak]

Im surprised there isnt more discussion here. Everyone seems so afraid of saying the wrong thing or upsetting someone :roll:

If you always do what youve always done, you will always get what you always got.

[steak]

From what ive seen ipf has the best rules for lifts, the pause on the chest, crease below knee for a squat etc.

WPC has much the same rules too bro...it just has other "muliti ply divisions" to accomodate the likes of Red Machine and his quadruple ply briefs and recognises RAW

[steak]

do these come in "Salmon"

[thatwaslight]

Im surprised there isnt more discussion here. Everyone seems so afraid of saying the wrong thing or upsetting someone :roll:

If you always do what youve always done, you will always get what you always got.

Exactly what i was thinking, was just saying to someone yesterday how it seems there are alot of people keeping quiet at the fear of upsetting someone.....interdasting

[nate225]

Im surprised there isnt more discussion here. Everyone seems so afraid of saying the wrong thing or upsetting someone :roll:

If you always do what youve always done, you will always get what you always got.

Exactly what i was thinking, was just saying to someone yesterday how it seems there are alot of people keeping quiet at the fear of upsetting someone.....interdasting

You know my view, dont think you could upset anyone to your detriment unless you are a NZPF member who might be seen to be speaking out of school.

If someone starts a fed I'm sure it'll be supported. Would be good to combine some benching with BBing shows like they did down south with Ange Galati etc.

[tinytraps]

From what ive seen ipf has the best rules for lifts, the pause on the chest, crease below knee for a squat etc.

WPC has much the same rules too bro...it just has other "muliti ply divisions" to accomodate the likes of Red Machine and his quadruple ply briefs and recognises RAW

Exactly bro Russian cup of titans I always come back to, those guys are affiliated with the WPC but still lift in IPF conditions, Walk out squats, single ply, little bit tighter on judging. Thers no reason why a CAPO branch here couldnt adopt that style, with the availability to use multi ply gear although good luck trying to walk out 600kgs in a leviathon, but by the looks of it, it could probably do that for you :pfft:

[tinytraps]

Im surprised there isnt more discussion here. Everyone seems so afraid of saying the wrong thing or upsetting someone :roll:

If you always do what youve always done, you will always get what you always got.

Exactly what i was thinking, was just saying to someone yesterday how it seems there are alot of people keeping quiet at the fear of upsetting someone.....interdasting

You know my view, dont think you could upset anyone to your detriment unless you are a NZPF member who might be seen to be speaking out of school.

If someone starts a fed I'm sure it'll be supported. Would be good to combine some benching with BBing shows like they did down south with Ange Galati etc.

As I put in another thread combining them with the major strongman shows would be good too, easter show, BBT etc.

[drizzt]

From my p.o.v, it's hard to say whether I'd support it or not without seeing what it's about (rules, fees, equipment standards etc)

I'm content with how things are run currently (not saying it's perfect, but I also don't have anything really to complain about) - at least down here in CDPA territory - so unless there was a compelling reason for me personally to switch, I can't see myself making a move. I like the rules - single ply (even though I'm not equipped), walk out your squat, rules for lifts etc - and if things change there with a new fed, I'd be more likely to stay put in the current setup.

And tbh, I can't really think of too many compelling reasons to switch... no testing would be good, if not for gear usage, more for not worrying what supps I take (I like the odd curse/Jack3d pre workout boost). But that's really just a nice to have, it's part of the sport and I accept I'll need to watch my intake to compete in it. Less hassle to not be tested, sure, but I dunno if that's a compelling enough reason to make me switch.

The only thing I can think of that would make me switch, is if it is what OB + the House fullas do, then I'll probably follow them :grin:

[steak]

You guys who have the House are so lucky. You wont find a better place to train or be helped into/up in the sport. The rest of us have all had to do it from scratch with only minimal input from experienced lifters - hats off to OB and his hard work over the years for this! :clap:

You have a clear advantage already so make the most of it I say :nod:

There is a misconception that another fed would have different rules and use a mono lift. I dont see this happening in NZ nor do I see multiply taking a firm hold here. If anything I think it would be very close to the current IPF lifting rules if not the same and with subscription revenue spent on lifters/growth not testing.

[drizzt]

Oh yeah, absolutely agree re: rules likely being similar, was just throwing out examples 8)

Agreed we seem to have it sweet down here due in large part to a very competent regional setup :nod:

Just thought of one possible reason to support a new fed - if I could compete in both (I don't believe NZPF allows this though?) I'd be incredibly tempted to do that, more options for events are always good :nod:

[Quigley]

There is a misconception that another fed would have different rules and use a mono lift. I dont see this happening in NZ nor do I see multiply taking a firm hold here. If anything I think it would be very close to the current IPF lifting rules if not the same and with subscription revenue spent on lifters/growth not testing.

So what you're saying is it will use IPF rules... IPF gear... IPF format... So what is it that is different that will attract lifters? Oh yeah no testing... But that's not saying that anyone who chooses this fed is necessarily using. No way.

[tinytraps]

There is a misconception that another fed would have different rules and use a mono lift. I dont see this happening in NZ nor do I see multiply taking a firm hold here. If anything I think it would be very close to the current IPF lifting rules if not the same and with subscription revenue spent on lifters/growth not testing.

This. Its been said to death already but the idea behind the new fed isnt to bring in multiply gear or the monolift but as a means to grow the sport from the ground up.

[steak]

There is a misconception that another fed would have different rules and use a mono lift. I dont see this happening in NZ nor do I see multiply taking a firm hold here. If anything I think it would be very close to the current IPF lifting rules if not the same and with subscription revenue spent on lifters/growth not testing.

So what you're saying is it will use IPF rules... IPF gear... IPF format... So what is it that is different that will attract lifters? Oh yeah no testing... But that's not saying that anyone who chooses this fed is necessarily using. No way.

We were all waiting for that...everyones thinking it and no-ones saying it. Quigley there are drug positives coming from NZPF every year mate that doesnt make everyone in the NZPF a secret user does it? The last few bans have been from prominent members too - Maria Brightwater Wharf (record holder) and Dave Beaumont (long time lifter) so dont be too quick to point the finger.

If another fed starts and it decides to use it subscription revenue on the sport, gear, growth, lifters, promotion etc then its a bit on the nose to label every member as a drug user!

You'd also want to be careful about where you say these things too bro. Do the words "libel slander" or "defamation of character" mean anything to you? I'd hate to see you make a fool of yourself bro. Even on the internet you have to be very careful when it comes to this particular law.

Good to see you posting here again. I respect what your saying but you cant tar everyone with the same brush bro.

[Quigley]

There is a misconception that another fed would have different rules and use a mono lift. I dont see this happening in NZ nor do I see multiply taking a firm hold here. If anything I think it would be very close to the current IPF lifting rules if not the same and with subscription revenue spent on lifters/growth not testing.

So what you're saying is it will use IPF rules... IPF gear... IPF format... So what is it that is different that will attract lifters? Oh yeah no testing... But that's not saying that anyone who chooses this fed is necessarily using. No way.

We were all waiting for that...everyones thinking it and no-ones saying it. Quigley there are drug positives coming from NZPF every year mate that doesnt make everyone in the NZPF a secret user does it? The last few bans have been from prominent members too - Maria Brightwater Wharf (record holder) and Dave Beaumont (long time lifter) so dont be too quick to point the finger.

If another fed starts and it decides to use it subscription revenue on the sport, gear, growth, lifters, promotion etc then its a bit on the nose to label every member as a drug user!

You'd also want to be careful about where you say these things too bro. Do the words "libel slander" or "defamation of character" mean anything to you? I'd hate to see you make a fool of yourself bro. Even on the internet you have to be very careful when it comes to this particular law.

Good to see you posting here again. I respect what your saying but you cant tar everyone with the same brush bro.

I'm not saying everyone in the fed will use. What i'm saying is that this seems to be the only major point of difference you will have between your fed and the IPF, and it has to be the points of difference that will draw people to your fed instead of the NZPF, as the NZPF is already established and has a strong member base. People do get bans in the IPF, but funnily enough they end up lifting in feds you are planning to associate yourself with? Just saying man, if you don't have drug testing then your fed will have all people on the juice in NZ who want to powerlift (theoretically).

Ive got no problem with you creating a fed the juiced guys can lift in. I just don't believe in bullshit, it is what it is.

(Also I don't see how it can be "libel slander" or "defamation of character" when a) i'm talking about a hypothetical federation that doesn't exist yet and b) no one has joined this hypothetical fed yet so i'm not actually talking about anyone in particular?)

[nate225]

Ive got no problem with you creating a fed the juiced guys can lift in. I just don't believe in bullshit, it is what it is.

I know where you're coming from Quigley but its not quite that simplistic (where there's people involved its never black & white!).

Some people will join another fed for political reasons, some because their mates lift there, and some as you say because they want to be able to 'juice' as you put it.

Here's a leftfield real life example of a member of the NZPF that might want to join a non tested fed, not because he's ever used 'juice' (I dont know the guy to answer that), but because NZPF have impacted on his lifestyle and ability to make choices about what goes into his body (again I'm making an assumption as I dont know the guy). Nick Rhind - banned from PLing recently for two years for a cannabis positive - to many this seems a bit silly when the aim is to eliminate performance enhancing drugs from sport, but rightly or wrongly thats what you sign up for with NZPF. www.sportstribunal.org.nz/anti-doping-r ... index.html

Just an example to illustrate that not everyone that affilliates themselves with a non-tested fed does so because they want to use AAS or PED's. If only it were that simple - there'd be two feds - IPF and SUPLA (Steroid Using Power Lifting Association! :pfft: :grin: ).

[ApriliaRS]

Agree here with Quigley on most aspects. I have absolutely no problem at all with a federation that doesn't test, but lets just say it how it is - if people want a federation like that I think it's fairly safe to say that a fair few of them want it purely so they won't be tested. On the other hand, I don't think this is the only thing a new fed could offer - a more informal atmosphere with good music, a less prominent divide between officials (sitting segregated in their blue blazers) and lifters, and decent sponsorship and prizes. These could all go a long way to building powerlifting into an even greater sport.

I guess the only question here is whether to achieve this we need a new federation, or can it be slotted into the NZPF framework (bar the no drug testing...)?

*As a side note: If the drugs that people are taking are not in fact PEDs then why not just align a new federation to a different drug testing regime (non-WADA) that only tests for PEDs? Then lifters can smoke all the weed they want! :grin:

[startinfromscratch]

LOL at quigley mcmanus calling it a juicers fed! :roll:

I fully support it if another fed started. Aside from all the bullshit & politics, we only have 1 fed to choose from.

Apart from spending money on development in place of testing, What if:

* i want to have a go in multiply in a comp environment?

* I want to take a fat burner without being a 'drug cheat'

* I want to attend push/pull meets, more comps than are offered?

I bet quite a few people from untested backgrounds (bbing, strongman, mma etc) will be willing to participate if one comes around.

another thought for you: currently there are 200 lifters registered in NZ. with a 2nd fed, will the total # of lifters registered increase or decrease? i know what my moneys on.......

[startinfromscratch]

a more informal atmosphere with good music, a less prominent divide between officials (sitting segregated in their blue blazers) and lifters, and decent sponsorship and prizes. These could all go a long way to building powerlifting into an even greater sport.

:clap:

I guess the only question here is whether to achieve this we need a new federation, or can it be slotted into the NZPF framework (bar the no drug testing...)?

i think the reason this topic is even here is cos ppl are sick of waiting...