minimum protein and energy when cutting

[hhhh1]

just wondering what people's opinions are as to the minimum amount of energy and protein I should be getting per day when cutting.

bear in mind im not aiming for drastic weight loss and aim to keep my weight above 93kg while getting down to maybe 7% bodyfat, so not sure 'cutting' would be the right word. ideally id like to be 95kg 7% bf but i suspect that the simultaneous gaining of muscle and fat loss required for this might be unrealistic.

currently getting over 300g protein/day from 2600kcal, although i was eating more than this until a couple of weeks ago.

planned duration of cut: ~50 days

current weight: 96kg

current bodyfat (estimate): 10%

cutting aids: caffeine, 1,3 Dimethylamylamine, nicotine gum (lol), clenbuterol

(thinking of using clen 10 days on 10 days off at only 80mcg/day)

also after suggestions as to how to utilise this combination of drugs best, for example while using clen should i take any of the others, or only in the 10 days off, or not at all?

Any input/advice appreciated cheers.

[DANIEL8]

sorry to noob you out bro, have been reading up (just now) on 1,3 Dimethylamylamine, where can you get this stuff from? its legal i saw hence asking the question. \

CHEERS

[hhhh1]

iherb

http://www.iherb.com/Primaforce-1-3-Dimethylamylamine-200-Capsules/25322?at=0

[quotejoss]

i found the powder from here

http://www.dmaastore.com

to be a lot better than those capsules. but it can be tricky measuring such a small amount

[hhhh1]

In New Zealand, methylhexanamine (under the name 1,3-dimethylamylamine or DMAA) is an emerging active ingredient of party pills. Side-effects including headache, nausea, and stroke have been reported in recreational users of these products. In November 2009, the New Zealand government indicated that methylhexanamine would be scheduled as a restricted substance. The New Zealand government has not banned methylhexanamine, however, its Ministry of Health has banned bulk powder purchases, but its sale in the form of capsules and tablets is permitted.

good luck with the powder mate

[Lskee]

Sorry to be nub but..

What does Dimethylamylamine do?

[DANIEL8]

google it realy quick bro, thats what i did, had no clue before this thread!

[severe]

Isnt that what Jack3d has in it?

and at what weight would it be classed as 'bulk'?

I am not interested, as I can't stand pre-workout/ thermo supps...

[hhhh1]

i think jacked does or did have dmaa in it...not sure which. no idea what would be classed as a 'bulk' purchase. wouldnt be surprised if it got banned soon though

[Pseudonym]

Same with The Curse:

http://www.shotgunsupplements.co.nz/sho ... grams.html

[maassive]

Hey can we stop jizzing over 1,3 and actually answer the guy's question? I'm keen to hear people's opinions on it.

[PeterDolan]

I'd say 300g is plenty already and don't see much need to change it. People start getting smaller and flatter and shit their pants thinking they're losing muscle forgetting that they lose water with the lower carbs. Solution, don't cut them so low and drop your protein a little lower and see how your body goes.

Unfortunately there is no cookie cutter equation that can give you an exact answer to your question and there are tons of theories out there as to how much protein you need to preserve muscle.

Also, you gonna be running test with that clen?

[hhhh1]

I'd say 300g is plenty already and don't see much need to change it. People start getting smaller and flatter and shit their pants thinking they're losing muscle forgetting that they lose water with the lower carbs. Solution, don't cut them so low and drop your protein a little lower and see how your body goes.

Unfortunately there is no cookie cutter equation that can give you an exact answer to your question and there are tons of theories out there as to how much protein you need to preserve muscle.

Also, you gonna be running test with that clen?

nah not using test, never have. i might try lowering my protein a bit (say to 250g/day) and up my carbs a bit like you suggested (at the moment i would be getting f*ck all) and see how that goes.

what about 200g protein/day though. would that be pushing it a bit?

[PeterDolan]

Depends on what/who you believe. Personally I'd say that may be a little too low for you but I don't know how much muscle/fat you actually carry among other variables and your daily caloric expenditure.

I'd say since you aren't getting ready for a show, use this experience to try an approach, like 200g protein, that may not fit usual recommendations and see how it works for you

[hhhh1]

seems like solid advice, ill stick to 300 for another week or so then try 250 and if thats all good ill consider trying 200. cheers

[trainlikeafreak]

Depends on what/who you believe. Personally I'd say that may be a little too low for you but I don't know how much muscle/fat you actually carry among other variables and your daily caloric expenditure.

I'd say since you aren't getting ready for a show, use this experience to try an approach, like 200g protein, that may not fit usual recommendations and see how it works for you

i reckon 200g is not enough. IMO, i repeat in my OPINION should stick to atleast 300g a day especially if you are backing off the carbs. your 96kg so yeah i dont think 200g is enough but thats just my opinion. its up2u

[PeterDolan]

Depends on what/who you believe. Personally I'd say that may be a little too low for you but I don't know how much muscle/fat you actually carry among other variables and your daily caloric expenditure.

I'd say since you aren't getting ready for a show, use this experience to try an approach, like 200g protein, that may not fit usual recommendations and see how it works for you

i reckon 200g is not enough. IMO, i repeat in my OPINION should stick to atleast 300g a day especially if you are backing off the carbs. your 96kg so yeah i dont think 200g is enough but thats just my opinion. its up2u

Why wouldn't 200g be enough though?

[trainlikeafreak]

Depends on what/who you believe. Personally I'd say that may be a little too low for you but I don't know how much muscle/fat you actually carry among other variables and your daily caloric expenditure.

I'd say since you aren't getting ready for a show, use this experience to try an approach, like 200g protein, that may not fit usual recommendations and see how it works for you

i reckon 200g is not enough. IMO, i repeat in my OPINION should stick to atleast 300g a day especially if you are backing off the carbs. your 96kg so yeah i dont think 200g is enough but thats just my opinion. its up2u

Why wouldn't 200g be enough though?

basically the way i see it is when cutting you are trying to maintain as much LBM as possible right? and what builds muscle? protein builds muscle..so when cutting i think it is important to keep protein intake high at all times. 200g is not high IMO. also, if carbs and fats are reduced as they should be, you are going to be relying on protein and green veggies to satisfy your hunger. Having a little extra protein instead of carbs to satisfy hunger is ok IMO and effective..mind you if your not cutting for a show you dont need to do anything too drastic with your carbs...remember being lean and being bodybuilding lean are two different things.

[PeterDolan]

Yeah but he isn't that big to need 300g a day

[trainlikeafreak]

Yeah but he isn't that big to need 300g a day

lol im having around 280-300 (maybe even a bit more as im not weighing anything) a day atm. its not actually that much food it just sounds a lot

[Android]

So he's got about 80kg of actual LBM to look after.

6-7 meals a day with 40gms each meal is 240-280gms so you're probably both right am not sure whether 50gms either side of that will be noticeable to the unmeasurable eye-ometer.

More won't hurt though, your body doesn't store protein so 300 is where I'd place my money. Less might hurt, you'd have to see

One of you said "try X and see how it goes" - good advice!

Stick with something for 7-10 days then if you don't like the result make a change and do another 7-10 days on that...repeat ad infinitum until your goal is reached (assuming you make good decisions about changes).

[PeterDolan]

Like I said, many theories and it depends on which one you subscribe too. Personally I'd only take protein that high as my carbs get really low but you've got to put in to practice your own theories based off common sense, science and experience and search until you get the formula that works for you. I wouldn't choose a number because it was safe as you can be wasting money but if you're earning 6 figures like android then you can go eat the farm and not worry :pfft: