My Cycle - and some queries

[Kracka]

Ok

I have messaged a couple dudes about my gear and the "worth" of the brands I have bought, as I thought I may have got ripped off - but I will get it out on here now to get opinions from anyone and all that knows their stuff.

I have front loaded with dbol for 4 weeks - about 75mg day per average.

The Dbol are in capsules of 25 mg (supposedly) - which made my eyebrows rise when I got them. I had never heard of Dbol in capsule form.

I think they are underdosed and not the 25 mg per cap they are **supposed** to be....but anyway I am definitely bigger in shoulders and chest especially - and was surprised as f*ck when I got on scale first time today to see I had gone from 84 to 90kg. So here is me thinking that f*ck all is going on and then wham, I have put on 6kg.

No fat gain - I can just tell looking in mirror that bfat % is not increasing.

I haven't been getting those Dbol lower back pumps people talk about, instead i have been getting sometimes insane painful pumps in shoulders. I thought I had injured myself the other day but soon as I finished workout the "pump pain" in delts subsided reasonably quickly.

I've also been pinning CN Pharmaceuticals Test-E at 250 twice per week (so 500 pw). I have been getting mixed opinions on CN - so anyone out there used this brand and was it any good?

To be honest - I thought I had wasted my money on the gear I had bought - but **something** is going on, as not only my bodyweight increased but weights on major lifts going up.

Are my expectations too high? Is 4 weeks too early to tell if my Test-E is any good?

I don't have this "euphoric" state going on that people reckon they get on test, nor am I getting wood in my johnson any more regularly than before. NO, I truthfully dont feel any hornier than normal.

I have no sides at all, nuts not shrinking, no gyno, no "sensitive" nipples. I would have thought if the dbol was a legit 25 mg per cap, then I would have got some sort of sides by now?

Diet been basically an insane amount of meat and chicken, and as much water as I can swallow each day. I low carb it during week, and carb up weekend. The day after I carb up I just blow up - this is supposedly the glycogen super-recompensation I read about at in Dan Duchaines book I guess. As I low carb it again during the week I definitely flatten out.

I have been taking a shit load of milk thistle tablets, prostate guard tablets, lethicin. I've got nolva on hand for any side probs - but as I said, no probs on that front yet.

Training is a mixture of low rep heavy (for me) weights during week, and high rep med weight for grand depletion workout.

I am going to have to stop taking the dbol from now I guess - and wait to see if what happens when / if the Test-e kicks in.

Feel free to critque what I have been doing here.

This is my first time using Test btw.

[snoopy]

The tabs you have are slightly more than 25mg, they are brought in as powder form (As is most gear) and 'capsulated'... Much easier to bring in powder

[Specter]

Ok

I have messaged a couple dudes about my gear and the "worth" of the brands I have bought, as I thought I may have got ripped off - but I will get it out on here now to get opinions from anyone and all that knows their stuff.

I have front loaded with dbol for 4 weeks - about 75mg day per average.

The Dbol are in capsules of 25 mg (supposedly) - which made my eyebrows rise when I got them. I had never heard of Dbol in capsule form.

I think they are underdosed and not the 25 mg per cap they are **supposed** to be....but anyway I am definitely bigger in shoulders and chest especially - and was surprised as f*ck when I got on scale first time today to see I had gone from 84 to 90kg. So here is me thinking that f*ck all is going on and then wham, I have put on 6kg.

No fat gain - I can just tell looking in mirror that bfat % is not increasing.

I haven't been getting those Dbol lower back pumps people talk about, instead i have been getting sometimes insane painful pumps in shoulders. I thought I had injured myself the other day but soon as I finished workout the "pump pain" in delts subsided reasonably quickly.

I've also been pinning CN Pharmaceuticals Test-E at 250 twice per week (so 500 pw). I have been getting mixed opinions on CN - so anyone out there used this brand and was it any good?

To be honest - I thought I had wasted my money on the gear I had bought - but **something** is going on, as not only my bodyweight increased but weights on major lifts going up.

Are my expectations too high? Is 4 weeks too early to tell if my Test-E is any good?

I don't have this "euphoric" state going on that people reckon they get on test, nor am I getting wood in my johnson any more regularly than before. NO, I truthfully dont feel any hornier than normal.

I have no sides at all, nuts not shrinking, no gyno, no "sensitive" nipples. I would have thought if the dbol was a legit 25 mg per cap, then I would have got some sort of sides by now?

Diet been basically an insane amount of meat and chicken, and as much water as I can swallow each day. I low carb it during week, and carb up weekend. The day after I carb up I just blow up - this is supposedly the glycogen super-recompensation I read about at in Dan Duchaines book I guess. As I low carb it again during the week I definitely flatten out.

I have been taking a shit load of milk thistle tablets, prostate guard tablets, lethicin. I've got nolva on hand for any side probs - but as I said, no probs on that front yet.

Training is a mixture of low rep heavy (for me) weights during week, and high rep med weight for grand depletion workout.

I am going to have to stop taking the dbol from now I guess - and wait to see if what happens when / if the Test-e kicks in.

Feel free to critque what I have been doing here.

This is my first time using Test btw.

You get underground, you pay underground...no set worth or prices...

[trainlikeafreak]

question - why low carb dring the week? wouldnt it be more useful to just eat like a horse periord, to get the most out of the gains ??

[snoopy]

Everybody is individual, and react differently to different drugs.

DBol usually kicks in straight away, but some tests dont with some people.

Equipoise starts to show its amazing self around week 12-16.

Just relax, keep poking away and let the drug build up in your system...

Eventually it will start to be collected by the receptors.

Some people's receptors work better than others, and occasionally some people are born with scarred receptors which collect seldom or any of the the drug, your individual so document your own experiences not other peoples, be your own warrior.

You will know when your receptors reach total saturation, and a lot of people use 20 week cycles and shun 8 weeks.

[HarryB]

Everybody is individual, and react differently to different drugs.

DBol usually kicks in straight away, but some tests dont with some people.

Equipoise starts to show its amazing self around week 12-16.

Where does this come from? I notice things pretty quick and I wouldn't take something for 12-16 weeks waiting for it to kick in. I am not being a tool I just don't get it. I reckon if I am taking something for a couple of weeks and I am not noticing anything then I best be getting my money back on that product.

Just relax, keep poking away and let the drug build up in your system...

Eventually it will start to be collected by the receptors.

Some people's receptors work better than others, and occasionally some people are born with scarred receptors which collect seldom or any of the the drug, your individual so document your own experiences not other peoples, be your own warrior.

You will know when your receptors reach total saturation, and a lot of people use 20 week cycles and shun 8 weeks.

I also don't get the long long cycles... I mean that's just creating more receptor downgrade, more side effects from the drug building up in your system and more time off required for your body to be receptive to steroids again.

Just my 2c

[snoopy]

Everybody is individual, and react differently to different drugs.

DBol usually kicks in straight away, but some tests dont with some people.

Equipoise starts to show its amazing self around week 12-16.

Where does this come from? I notice things pretty quick and I wouldn't take something for 12-16 weeks waiting for it to kick in. I am not being a tool I just don't get it. I reckon if I am taking something for a couple of weeks and I am not noticing anything then I best be getting my money back on that product.

Just relax, keep poking away and let the drug build up in your system...

Eventually it will start to be collected by the receptors.

Some people's receptors work better than others, and occasionally some people are born with scarred receptors which collect seldom or any of the the drug, your individual so document your own experiences not other peoples, be your own warrior.

You will know when your receptors reach total saturation, and a lot of people use 20 week cycles and shun 8 weeks.

I also don't get the long long cycles... I mean that's just creating more receptor downgrade, more side effects from the drug building up in your system and more time off required for your body to be receptive to steroids again.

Just my 2c

Yes, that is true But.... You do get a muscle 'hardness' with the long periods. But I agree with you, Its not good doing 1500mg per week for 4 weeks battling to go from 94 to 95kg's when youve been on for six months...Just dont seem right and I've seen it plenty.

I'll try and find my paper on receptive downgrade and post it

[rovr4on]

dude I had that mad delt pain also when was on dbol, took a couple of hours but damn it was painful burn, got better after the first few times. I got back pumps also, but nowhere near as bad as the delt pain. My cycle was cut short to 6 weeks due to injury, so gunna give it another go after summer...but i also didnt really notice the test until about a week after i had finished dbol and was gymming several days in a row without fatigue, thats when I knew I could feel the test. About week 5 or 6 I also noticed just the sight of the mrs getting into bed had me eager with anticipation :roll:

[WANABJAKD]

something doesnt sound right. i just began my cycle about 3 weeks ago; im using test e and tren e. i havent taken notes, but this is what i have noticed off the top of my head:

week 1

face was much oilier

sex drive went up

week two

i had a strange feeling of well being like i could walk on water

face and skin like silk

my sex drive was up even more

recovery was very noticable

i was drier and more vascular

noticable endurance/strength improvement

week three

walking around with a chubby all day, the slightest breeze can get me going :pfft:

the recovery is basically at its peak

vascularity is improving day by day

veins are getting even thicker

alot more drier/harder

endurance and strength even higher

waking up slightly sweaty

i notice when im talking to people i feel like that black boy from melcom in the middle that has to take a breath after each word - yes, its that bad. walking up and down the stairs in my house is pretty bad too.

oh well at least its some good tren

i would have noticed a few more things, such as tighter more fuller muscles, freakier vascularity and pumps had i been consuming carbs prior to this point.

[rovr4on]

why wearnt you consuming carbs prior to cycle WBJ? were you dieting so you could eat like a possessed beast while on?

also some of those side effect aint gunna be noticed as he is only on dbol and test, not tren lol 8) do love the horny aspect though!! :twisted:

[Kracka]

question - why low carb dring the week? wouldnt it be more useful to just eat like a horse periord, to get the most out of the gains ??

See 'Body Opus' ~ Dan Duchaine

http://www.amazon.com/Underground-Bodyo ... 0965310701

[I Declare War]

Ok

I have messaged a couple dudes about my gear and the "worth" of the brands I have bought, as I thought I may have got ripped off - but I will get it out on here now to get opinions from anyone and all that knows their stuff.

I have front loaded with dbol for 4 weeks - about 75mg day per average.

The Dbol are in capsules of 25 mg (supposedly) - which made my eyebrows rise when I got them. I had never heard of Dbol in capsule form.

Did you decide on using it at 75mg from the outset or did you ramp up to that dosage because it wasn't working like you thought it should? 75mg legit dbol is a recipe for liver failure.

I think they are underdosed and not the 25 mg per cap they are **supposed** to be....but anyway I am definitely bigger in shoulders and chest especially - and was surprised as f*ck when I got on scale first time today to see I had gone from 84 to 90kg. So here is me thinking that f*ck all is going on and then wham, I have put on 6kg.

No fat gain - I can just tell looking in mirror that bfat % is not increasing.

If it was real you'd take on about 5kg of water in the first 10 days.

I haven't been getting those Dbol lower back pumps people talk about, instead i have been getting sometimes insane painful pumps in shoulders. I thought I had injured myself the other day but soon as I finished workout the "pump pain" in delts subsided reasonably quickly.

I've also been pinning CN Pharmaceuticals Test-E at 250 twice per week (so 500 pw). I have been getting mixed opinions on CN - so anyone out there used this brand and was it any good?

I've heard that it is good, I don't know of anyone who is counterfeiting these currently. I think it may just be another brand from the same outfit as Titan. I'd be dubious about the quality though... someone tried selling me some of this stuff recently quite cheap... may be underdosed. You get what you pay for.

To be honest - I thought I had wasted my money on the gear I had bought - but **something** is going on, as not only my bodyweight increased but weights on major lifts going up.

On Dbol you're going to see a good strength gain. If your strength isn't going up much your dbol is bunk.

Are my expectations too high? Is 4 weeks too early to tell if my Test-E is any good?

Sometimes it takes a while.. especially if your body is in a fresh state... it's good at mopping up excess test... but only for so long. usually by week four you should notice it. give it another week though... I remember my second cycle I did and I was complaining to everyone that my sust that I got from thailand was shit... then it hit like a freight train... that was around about week 4

I don't have this "euphoric" state going on that people reckon they get on test, nor am I getting wood in my johnson any more regularly than before. NO, I truthfully dont feel any hornier than normal.

Dbol has a bigger mood effect... that'd be overriding much of what you'd be feeling from test... once you eliminate the dbol after this week you'll get to really feel what's going on.

I have no sides at all, nuts not shrinking, no gyno, no "sensitive" nipples. I would have thought if the dbol was a legit 25 mg per cap, then I would have got some sort of sides by now?

usually the nuts start to atrophy from around week 6 in my experience... dbol sensitive nipples yeah week 3 or 4. at 75mg probably week one lol.

Diet been basically an insane amount of meat and chicken, and as much water as I can swallow each day. I low carb it during week, and carb up weekend. The day after I carb up I just blow up - this is supposedly the glycogen super-recompensation I read about at in Dan Duchaines book I guess. As I low carb it again during the week I definitely flatten out.

That's where your weight gain has come from. not the drugs.

I have been taking a shit load of milk thistle tablets, prostate guard tablets, lethicin. I've got nolva on hand for any side probs - but as I said, no probs on that front yet.

sounds like you don't need that shit anyway as your dbol is bunk. sorry.

Training is a mixture of low rep heavy (for me) weights during week, and high rep med weight for grand depletion workout.

I am going to have to stop taking the dbol from now I guess - and wait to see if what happens when / if the Test-e kicks in.

Feel free to critque what I have been doing here.

This is my first time using Test btw.

First time using test!!!! Why use Dbol too then? First cycle always use only one compound and that compound should be test. then you can get a feel for how you react.. subsequent cycles you can add other items but only one at time. otherwise how can you learn what's doing what?

[tomsammce]

the 25mg dbol caps are the Empire ones... no way r they as good as 5x5mg pink hex dbols.

the guys bottling them cant count either, a mate of mine only got 38 in his jar and there is meant to be 50 per container.... no point going to collect the 12 caps offered right away when he txted them cause bottom line is they were shit.

[Kracka]

I got to admit, sometimes I been taking 4 and 5 caps per day 100-125mg which I guess would have made my liver explode by now if they were legit.

I think Tom is on the money when he says they shit.

The gain in weight has been gradual...I noticed my shirts / tshirts getting tighter gradually last few weeks - so take on board that if the dbol was legit I would have blown up a lot quicker than that at the massive dosages I been taking.

I think "I Declare WAR" IS right in saying the massive increase in protein has got a lot to do with my gainS .... good that I am not putting on fat though. Sometimes I am spending 30 / 40 bucks per day on meat / lamb racks / chicken wings and demolishing the lot!

I will be reporting back about the CN test-e and letting you all know if it kicks in. Seems like I will **know** and **feel** when it kicks in if it is legit from what you guys been telling me.

**Note: the Test came from a different outfit than from where I got the dbol caps.