My First Cycle

[TheHatDropper]

Well, when I weighed myself Monday, I was 97kgs. Weighed myself today and I weigh 99kgs.

[sponge]

haha

nice gains _^

[TheHatDropper]

Anyone have an opinion on using clen with this cycle?

[63]

i would say no to clen untill after the cycle IMO.

2 Kgs that fast could happen but hard to beleve , gee you will be 200kgs by the end of your cycle.

have u got before and after shots you could share?

[samoan_muscle]

I wouldn't run clen by itself dude - it has the ability to put you in a catabolic state if you not careful. Run the clen with your cycle - who said you can't burn fat and gain muscle at the same time? Be another lean mass gainer statistic.

[2guns]

are your legs still sore from the supertest 450 shot(s)?

[TheHatDropper]

I do have a before pic - no after pic yet - haha.

Right leg is still a bit sore, but not as bad - has a big red patch now too. Really need to remember to mix the two properly next time. Definitely the first bit in the right leg must have been nearly 100% supertest and other leg Deca.

Yeah, wasn't going to run Clen on it's own - wanted to know if I could run it with my current cycle.

[2guns]

Yeah, wasn't going to run Clen on it's own - wanted to know if I could run it with my current cycle.

wats yr bf?

[TheHatDropper]

13%

[2guns]

instead of clen u should take some concrete pills, this might stop u complaining after your next injection :pfft:

[TheHatDropper]

instead of clen u should take some concrete pills, this might stop u complaining after your next injection :pfft:

Excellent thinking! Know where I can get some of those from?

[Paul]

I wouldn't run clen by itself dude - it has the ability to put you in a catabolic state if you not careful. Run the clen with your cycle - who said you can't burn fat and gain muscle at the same time? Be another lean mass gainer statistic.

clen is fine by itself alot of people not on gear use it as a cutter(plenty of figure chicks) it actually has ant-catabolic propeties

[TheHatDropper]

Pain in leg has gone - 4 days! Glad I did it in my leg and not shoulder - had to skip leg training this week.

[2guns]

wheres yr next injection going to be?

i would have thought it would be best to inject in the same place everytime? this way the muscle would get used to the injection and wouldnt hurt as much after a couple of weeks.

[TheHatDropper]

Shoulder - See, it all depends who you talk to. The advice I have been given is to do shoulder, then do shoulders in the gym that day. Heard the pain is way less? This from an ex National BB champ.

[2guns]

once u start training doesnt the pain go away?

[TheHatDropper]

I did do some cardio and worked the legs pretty hard - but the pain did not go away. In fact, it was worse the next day. So I stayed away from the weights.

[samoan_muscle]

I wouldn't run clen by itself dude - it has the ability to put you in a catabolic state if you not careful. Run the clen with your cycle - who said you can't burn fat and gain muscle at the same time? Be another lean mass gainer statistic.

clen is fine by itself alot of people not on gear use it as a cutter(plenty of figure chicks) it actually has ant-catabolic propeties

Bullshit it has anti catabolic properties mate.

[TheHatDropper]

I wouldn't run clen by itself dude - it has the ability to put you in a catabolic state if you not careful. Run the clen with your cycle - who said you can't burn fat and gain muscle at the same time? Be another lean mass gainer statistic.

clen is fine by itself alot of people not on gear use it as a cutter(plenty of figure chicks) it actually has ant-catabolic propeties

Bullshit it has anti catabolic properties mate.

I think he did say it had anti-catabolic properties...

[Wynton]

I think he did say it had anti-catabolic properties...

I think he ment that clen having anti catabolic effects is bullshit.

[Paul]

I wouldn't run clen by itself dude - it has the ability to put you in a catabolic state if you not careful. Run the clen with your cycle - who said you can't burn fat and gain muscle at the same time? Be another lean mass gainer statistic.

clen is fine by itself alot of people not on gear use it as a cutter(plenty of figure chicks) it actually has ant-catabolic propeties

Bullshit it has anti catabolic properties mate.

It certainly doesnt put u in a catabolic state mate.

[Flex]

Depends on what you read, traditional thought was that clen exhibited an anticatabolic effect, however some new evidence suggests that it is actually catabolic. Clen can have anabolic properties however only at very high dosages - way higher than you could reasonably use without having your heart pack in.

It is still however used for treatment in muscle wasting diseases so it might do some good for some people.

It should be noted that there are quite a few negative side effects associated with clen use so it shouldn't be used lightly. But then you've used it before so you should already know about the effects that it has on the heart regarding cardiac hypertrophy, and beta2 receptor down regulation.

[2guns]

cant it pathalogically enlarge yr heart?

[TheHatDropper]

Gave me the shakes for the whole time i was on it!

[deegee]

How is the pain now ? keep us up to date on any developments.