What is natural?

[olympia]

I want to know what you people class as "Natural" in relation to bodybuilding.

For example my opinion is if a guy uses supplementation of test boosters he is no longer natural because its raising his natural test levels. Is using all the extra creatine natural? Id like to know what you all class as natural and where the line gets crossed to say enhanced.

[thatwaslight]

AAS, beta stims, pro hormones, diuretics is a debatable one but in the end who gives a f*ck.

testosterone is "natural"

[hhhh1]

I want to know what you people class as "Natural" in relation to bodybuilding.

For example my opinion is if a guy uses supplementation of test boosters he is no longer natural because its raising his natural test levels. Is using all the extra creatine natural? Id like to know what you all class as natural and where the line gets crossed to say enhanced.

is lifting weights to get bigger muscles natural...

[Shutupandsquat]

Not taking a performance enhancing steroid. I would consider than as natural.

[Android]

I want to know what you people class as "Natural" in relation to bodybuilding.

For example my opinion is if a guy uses supplementation of test boosters he is no longer natural because its raising his natural test levels. Is using all the extra creatine natural? Id like to know what you all class as natural and where the line gets crossed to say enhanced.

In relation to bodybuilders...taking phramaceuticals like steroids, ephedrine, pro hormones you lose your right to be labelled "natural" IMHO.

Test booster supplements can't raise your testosterone above your natural limit so not sure why you'd call that unnatural.

[olympia]

Yeah honestly natural or enhanced means nothing to me i hust wanted opinions on what guys class as natural. Just see a lot of anger from "Natural" guys toward enhanced in the gym and i dont see the problem as they take things to further enhance recovery and growth to just get less for it.

[Android]

Never seen the anger part from the Nattys but maybe they hate down in the showers together.

Plenty though will never do enhanced and good on them I think u have to b dedicated to do it, to take the risks with the rewards.

Way back wen I was Natty I still enjoyed bodybuilding but was impatient with the gains. You can only visualize a bigger bodypart for so many months b4 going "f*ck it, this is BB in slow-mo".

[crazyfacials]

pretty much same as SUAS, only AAS/PH users are enhanced in my book, natty testboosters/clen users are still natural

[WANABJAKD]

any sort of drug or precursor that exaggerates a human expression is unnatural. whats so hard to understand about that?

test boosters, anti inflammatory drugs (e.g clen), etc - all unnatural.

[weener lad]

I would have thought it was fairly straight forward. Natural = no gear! Test boosters and all that other off the shelf stuff really does bugger all.

Plenty though will never do enhanced and good on them I think u have to b dedicated to do it, to take the risks with the rewards

I personally don't think it has anything to do with being dedicated. A good percentage of us just have good careers where something like ILLEGAL drugs go down like a ton of bricks with our employers. :pfft:

[Android]

I would have thought it was fairly straight forward. Natural = no gear! Test boosters and all that other off the shelf stuff really does bugger all.

Plenty though will never do enhanced and good on them I think u have to b dedicated to do it, to take the risks with the rewards

I personally don't think it has anything to do with being dedicated. A good percentage of us just have good careers where something like ILLEGAL drugs go down like a ton of bricks with our employers. :pfft:

Sorry dude didn't mean if u were natural u were not dedicated to BB, my bad. I meant dedicated to the risk/reward.

[train hard]

how natural is creatine and glutamine? i know it is found in the food we eat but there is no way the body could naturally produce the amounts we take in through supplements (just putting it out there)

[Mantis]

This is an interesting site:

http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/index.html

[sampsonaxehammer]

for me natural is having no advantage to anyone else who can go down to the local shop and get the same supplimentation.

As far as natural test boosters i would say that someone on tribulus for 6mths will make less gains than some on injectable test for 6weeks,could be wrong though but someone using tribulus for 6weeks would look nothing like someone on injectable test for 6mths im guessing.

[Chemo]

Nice site!

Should make for some good gains when coupled with a cycle :pfft: :pfft:

[startinfromscratch]

natural - not using script meds without a script

not natural - using script meds with no script.

[yeahbuddy]

for me natural is having no advantage to anyone else who can go down to the local shop and get the same supplimentation.

As far as natural test boosters i would say that someone on tribulus for 6mths will make less gains than some on injectable test for 6weeks,could be wrong though but someone using tribulus for 6weeks would look nothing like someone on injectable test for 6mths im guessing.

you can go down to the men's health clinic in parnell and they'll sell you all the testosterone you want. Like seriously, you could empty your bank account out and buy up. I think I was like 24 or 25 when I went there and got my first cycle. There was even a expose show on TV a couple of years back about how dodgy the doc is there.

[sampsonaxehammer]

thats true but you probably wouldnt pass a random test for a Natural organisation whereas the products at the health store would allow you to pass a test except maybe jack3d.

by the natural org you have to be clean for a period of time maybe 2years i think and if your caught its a 2year ban.

Nothing wrong with going enhanced though,no magic bullets and no one is taking exactly the same natural supps or starts with the same genetics spends the same money has the same lifestyle so natural is a load of sht aswell.

[lemon]

I think anything you can get from a supermarket or general bodybuilding website i.e creatine, protein, fat burners, test boosters are natural. Most other stuff is enhancing imo. Some things I'd make a judgment call but from what I know Id only take those 4 listed only if I wanted to maintain a natural status.

[nate225]

From a biochem / physiology point of view this is a really complex debate. An easier way is just to take a simplistic compliance pov. If you do you could say complying with WADA is natural. Anything else is not.

Im not convinced its that simple.

[Oblix]

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[Optimass]

I wouldn't class using ehiprine as unatural - how is that different to using caffine?

And then if you have been off cycle for over 5 years how can this not be considered Natural?

[nate225]

Do your shots EOD, then you can be natural 6months of the year.

Under my definition, all be it a bit simplistic, you'd test positive so your natty status would equal FAIL! :grin:

I wouldn't class using ehiprine as unatural - how is that different to using caffine?

And then if you have been off cycle for over 5 years how can this not be considered Natural?

Ephedrine out of competition, as long as not in system in comp would be considered natty under my WADA suggestion.

Off for 5 years likewise natty under WADA as would test clean.

Not saying its a great answer but its an answer to the age old debate, play by the rules = natty, break the rule = not natty.

[Oblix]

Truly natural means never ever having used AAS or GH/Peptides. Not one cycle. I trained for years natural and after one 4 week cycle of Dbol hit PBs on all lifts and was able to hit those Pbs again a year later using no more AAS, if I had never done that 4 week cyclel, would I have ever been able to lift that much????

People should be one or the other, yo yoing off and on and trying to tell people your natural just bcos its the off cycle is a joke.

Otherwise if Ronnie Coleman went off gear for a year or two, he is now a natural human being??

Passing a Test just means you passed dosnt mean you have never used AAS.

End of the day only the individual themselves really know the truth.