Quote for ya all....

[nate225]

From Dorian's Facebook acct this morning:

"Many bodybuilders sell themselves short. Erroneously attributing their lack of satisfactory progress to a poverty of the requisite genetic traits, instead of to their irrational training and dietary practices, they give up training. Don't make the same mistake" -Mike Mentzer

Worth thnking about.... :nod:

[Gasp]

From Dorian's Facebook acct this morning:

"Many bodybuilders sell themselves short. Erroneously attributing their lack of satisfactory progress to a poverty of the requisite genetic traits, instead of to their irrational training and dietary practices, they give up training. Don't make the same mistake" -Mike Mentzer

Worth thnking about.... :nod:

Yep...and always liked this one too!

"Many of life’s failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up."

[Android]

can giving-up easily be genetically influenced as well?

Look at all Olympic qualifiers and the shapes are so diverse that there are plenty of genetically-challenged individuals making it into the top 20.

But none of them gave up and they made it.

[yeahbuddy]

Hmm food for thought here...

"Oh, god, where do I begin? I'd have to say that everything that led to my heart problem began the minute I started getting serious about competitive bodybuilding. In order to get bigger, I'd eat five, six, seven pounds of red meat a day, no vegetables. And I'd stay away from fruits because of their sugar.

Worst were the chemicals. I have so many memories of being alone in a hotel room the week, five days or two days before a contest, and doing unspeakable things to my body—steroids, growth hormones, diuretics—anything and everything that we as bodybuilders do to achieve a certain look.

It has affected my whole life, so to all those guys who are on an eternal quest to have 21" arms and 20" calves, and who are so vain about their never-say-die attitude, I say, "Change your attitude." Worry about keeping that body of yours as healthy as possible, because it's going to have to last you not just through your next contest or to the end of your bodybuilding contract, but for a long time. And a long time for a human being is nothing. It goes by real quick, even quicker when your health is gone and you have nothing to stand on."

Mike Matarazzo taken from Wikipedia

[nate225]

can giving-up easily be genetically influenced as well?

Look at all Olympic qualifiers and the shapes are so diverse that there are plenty of genetically-challenged individuals making it into the top 20.

But none of them gave up and they made it.

Personally I believe genetics play a big part in that Android. A guy can have all the fibres in the world with the best insertions / origins and not have the top two inches to ever make it on stage in good shape. Just ask yourself how many times you've herad "he'd kick everyones ass if he competed" :pfft: :pfft:

I guess the nature vs nurture debate comes in with work ethic & stickability more than it does with physical attributes. Either way psychological strength plays a bigger part in success than most people give credit. Dorian vs Wheeler.... if it was just physical traits from genetics that equalled success Wheeler would have won every encounter!

[thatwaslight]

Hmm food for thought here...

"Oh, god, where do I begin? I'd have to say that everything that led to my heart problem began the minute I started getting serious about competitive bodybuilding. In order to get bigger, I'd eat five, six, seven pounds of red meat a day, no vegetables. And I'd stay away from fruits because of their sugar.

Worst were the chemicals. I have so many memories of being alone in a hotel room the week, five days or two days before a contest, and doing unspeakable things to my body—steroids, growth hormones, diuretics—anything and everything that we as bodybuilders do to achieve a certain look.

It has affected my whole life, so to all those guys who are on an eternal quest to have 21" arms and 20" calves, and who are so vain about their never-say-die attitude, I say, "Change your attitude." Worry about keeping that body of yours as healthy as possible, because it's going to have to last you not just through your next contest or to the end of your bodybuilding contract, but for a long time. And a long time for a human being is nothing. It goes by real quick, even quicker when your health is gone and you have nothing to stand on."

Mike Matarazzo taken from Wikipedia

'the candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast'

[yeahbuddy]

'the candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast'

Very true, and then if you burn it at both ends it burns twice faster again.

[olympia]

'the candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast'

Very true, and then if you burn it at both ends it burns twice faster again.

And if you dip your wik to much , even faster

[langerrox]

"Never believe that the circumstances of your life dictate that you can't become a huge, rampaging, fucking beast"

[musclenz]

Human life is an experiment waiting to go wrong

[Android]

Human life is an experiment waiting to go wrong

Give any one species too much rope and they'll f*ck it up

- Roger Waters, "Amused to Death"

[Dr Squat]

“The best thing about the fitness and strength industry is that you can always rely on it for some really good laughs”.

- Jim Wendler

[Kracka]

Hmm food for thought here...

"Oh, god, where do I begin? I'd have to say that everything that led to my heart problem began the minute I started getting serious about competitive bodybuilding. In order to get bigger, I'd eat five, six, seven pounds of red meat a day, no vegetables. And I'd stay away from fruits because of their sugar.

Worst were the chemicals. I have so many memories of being alone in a hotel room the week, five days or two days before a contest, and doing unspeakable things to my body—steroids, growth hormones, diuretics—anything and everything that we as bodybuilders do to achieve a certain look.

It has affected my whole life, so to all those guys who are on an eternal quest to have 21" arms and 20" calves, and who are so vain about their never-say-die attitude, I say, "Change your attitude." Worry about keeping that body of yours as healthy as possible, because it's going to have to last you not just through your next contest or to the end of your bodybuilding contract, but for a long time. And a long time for a human being is nothing. It goes by real quick, even quicker when your health is gone and you have nothing to stand on."

Mike Matarazzo taken from Wikipedia

No vegetables? A part from perhaps a very short time pre-contest - what dumb f*ck would not eat vegetables. Even Duchaine's Body Opus allowed some vegetables.

[oldfella]

Give any one species too much rope and they'll f*ck it up

- Roger Waters, "Amused to Death"

Brilliant album that.

[Grover]

" If your ship hasn't come in- swim out to it!"

[yeahbuddy]

Hmm food for thought here...

"Oh, god, where do I begin? I'd have to say that everything that led to my heart problem began the minute I started getting serious about competitive bodybuilding. In order to get bigger, I'd eat five, six, seven pounds of red meat a day, no vegetables. And I'd stay away from fruits because of their sugar.

Worst were the chemicals. I have so many memories of being alone in a hotel room the week, five days or two days before a contest, and doing unspeakable things to my body—steroids, growth hormones, diuretics—anything and everything that we as bodybuilders do to achieve a certain look.

It has affected my whole life, so to all those guys who are on an eternal quest to have 21" arms and 20" calves, and who are so vain about their never-say-die attitude, I say, "Change your attitude." Worry about keeping that body of yours as healthy as possible, because it's going to have to last you not just through your next contest or to the end of your bodybuilding contract, but for a long time. And a long time for a human being is nothing. It goes by real quick, even quicker when your health is gone and you have nothing to stand on."

Mike Matarazzo taken from Wikipedia

No vegetables? A part from perhaps a very short time pre-contest - what dumb f*ck would not eat vegetables. Even Duchaine's Body Opus allowed some vegetables.

Yeah, that is pretty stupid aye.