Why does TALL equal STRONG?

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My guess is that it takes longer for a tall guy to get better at the pressing movements due to the time needed to fill out their frames (kinda like the taller bodybuilders needing more time to look good on stage)

I think that's a good point, I'd say tall guys have a much greater potential, it just takes time. That's why the wiley veterans are usually near the top in PL, SM and BBing comps, they've had more time with their craft perfecting their lifts/physiques

At the end of the day, I still think height has f*ck all to do with it. It's about proportions, technique and hard fucking work, an area I think many PLers fall short in (come at me)

its a bit hollow claiming your awesome strength is just hard work when you are enhanced pete. (by your own admission)

so most plifters dont work hard? hahahahahhahahahahahahhaahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

i guess only the top 3 plifters in NZ shouldve gone to nats, no point competing if you wont win :roll:

[PeterDolan]

My guess is that it takes longer for a tall guy to get better at the pressing movements due to the time needed to fill out their frames (kinda like the taller bodybuilders needing more time to look good on stage)

I think that's a good point, I'd say tall guys have a much greater potential, it just takes time. That's why the wiley veterans are usually near the top in PL, SM and BBing comps, they've had more time with their craft perfecting their lifts/physiques

At the end of the day, I still think height has f*ck all to do with it. It's about proportions, technique and hard fucking work, an area I think many PLers fall short in (come at me)

its a bit hollow claiming your awesome strength is just hard work when you are enhanced pete. (by your own admission)

so most plifters dont work hard? hahahahahhahahahahahahhaahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

i guess only the top 3 plifters in NZ shouldve gone to nats, no point competing if you wont win :roll:

When did I admit this? And my strength is far from awesome

Do compete, when did I say don't turn up if you wont win? You train for it, you compete.

How often do PLers really push themselves? How often do you guys do forced reps, rest pause etc? If you guys do then I'll take it back

[ThePman]

It's about proportions, technique and hard fucking work, an area I think many PLers fall short in (come at me)

Unfortunately competing PLers actually have to squat to depth and do it without a spotter helping them out of the hole. They can't just post internet squats 100 lbs over their very average deadlifts and then piss on everyone else's lifts.

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I think that's a good point, I'd say tall guys have a much greater potential, it just takes time. That's why the wiley veterans are usually near the top in PL, SM and BBing comps, they've had more time with their craft perfecting their lifts/physiques

At the end of the day, I still think height has f*ck all to do with it. It's about proportions, technique and hard fucking work, an area I think many PLers fall short in (come at me)

its a bit hollow claiming your awesome strength is just hard work when you are enhanced pete. (by your own admission)

so most plifters dont work hard? hahahahahhahahahahahahhaahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

i guess only the top 3 plifters in NZ shouldve gone to nats, no point competing if you wont win :roll:

When did I admit this? And my strength is far from awesome

Do compete, when did I say don't turn up if you wont win? You train for it, you compete.

How often do PLers really push themselves? How often do you guys do forced reps, rest pause etc? If you guys do then I'll take it back

i wont quote the post, i will leave it there, was just pointing out that most of the plifters you constantly bag are tested......

forced reps, rest paused - yes those techniques are hard work (yes i have done in the past) but the reason you dont generally see this in plifters routines isnt because they are afraid of hard work, its because its counter-productive in terms of CNS stress.

Not training to muscular failure would only be lazy/poor work ethic if you are a bber. but to generalise and question how often PL really push themselves? either your trollin or you genuinely have no idea of PL specific training? if you were to be doing equipped sessions stretching 2-3 hours, as many pl do, you would realise just how much work is invovled.

[nate225]

LOL - PT always the stirrer!

PLers train just as hard as BBers, people are people and the elite in each sport give 100% in the gym & outside. They do train differently tho & for good reason, training like a Pro BBer wont equal an elite PLing total, likewise training hard on a WSB or Sheiko template wont make a Pro BBing physique!

The wannabes & internet heroes are the same in both sports. A poor work ethic equals shit results regardless of sport.

Now back on track! Good posts PMan / SFS :nod:

[ThePman]

Saying PLers don't work hard shows a working ignorance of the powerlifting community, just like saying you don't work hard if you don't do forced reps shows an ignorance of basic strength & conditioning principles.

I could slam "bodybuilders" but the truth is that real bodybuilders are hard workers. Turns out some people are just assholes regardless of how they train.

[PeterDolan]

I know the post you are referring to, I never made an admission, I made a sarcastic remark.

I'm not gonna go all school boy and try and shoot guys down but the guys that I "bag" (don't think I've named names have I?) really aren't making any progress. I don't sugar coat, sorry if it offends people. People give me assholes, I don't cry, it's part of the internet.

I fully understand what goes in to PL training, I'm not ignorant. I know PLer that uses forced reps on occasion (I've done the spotting). He no longer competes but still holds junior records and it's the exact same way he used to train so it is possible

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Saying PLers don't work hard shows a working ignorance of the powerlifting community, just like saying you don't work hard if you don't do forced reps shows an ignorance of basic strength & conditioning principles.

I could slam "bodybuilders" but the truth is that real bodybuilders are hard workers. Turns out some people are just assholes regardless of how they train.

[Viking Power]

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What a load off shit.......

[HarryB]

I still don't get where this idea that tall guys get stronger faster comes from? I think over time yes they will rise but it takes longer in my experience for tall guys to really start shifting good numbers. I know at elite level they dominate generally speaking. But I don't think they have an easier time of it. Hell every single person I have ever trained with has been taller than me and I usually hold my own with them. (bring it on PD, finally someone shorter!!!)

As for this bagging ofd Pl and in turn bbs, that's just dumb. I mean we all train hard, just different. The enhanced vs natural and equipped vs raw stuff is just finding reasons to argue over nothing. All I know is I will train with any of you mofos ha ha ha ha ha ha cept Tonka and Doc and Nate and ummm SG and definitely not Drizzt! NO squatting everyday for this dude!

[HarryB]

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What a load off shit.......

precisely what I was thinking!

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I know the post you are referring to, I never made an admission, I made a sarcastic remark.

I'm not gonna go all school boy and try and shoot guys down but the guys that I "bag" (don't think I've named names have I?) really aren't making any progress. I don't sugar coat, sorry if it offends people. People give me assholes, I don't cry, it's part of the internet.

I fully understand what goes in to PL training, I'm not ignorant. I know PLer that uses forced reps on occasion (I've done the spotting). He no longer competes but still holds junior records and it's the exact same way he used to train so it is possible

hhhmmm you must read different plifter journals to me, i cant recall anyone making no progress? :? :? :?

if you actually do realise what goes into it, why question pl work ethic? or are you saying that plers work hard, just not the ones here? please clarify......

[ThePman]

It seems more like a case of attention-seeking than a real criticism.

I'm with Harry.

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It seems more like a case of attention-seeking than a real criticism.

I'm with Harry.

it wouldnt be the first troll thread put in the pl section recently...

[PeterDolan]

I know the post you are referring to, I never made an admission, I made a sarcastic remark.

I'm not gonna go all school boy and try and shoot guys down but the guys that I "bag" (don't think I've named names have I?) really aren't making any progress. I don't sugar coat, sorry if it offends people. People give me assholes, I don't cry, it's part of the internet.

I fully understand what goes in to PL training, I'm not ignorant. I know PLer that uses forced reps on occasion (I've done the spotting). He no longer competes but still holds junior records and it's the exact same way he used to train so it is possible

hhhmmm you must read different plifter journals to me, i cant recall anyone making no progress? :? :? :?

if you actually do realise what goes into it, why question pl work ethic? or are you saying that plers work hard, just not the ones here? please clarify......

I'm talking about really pushing hard. I recognise the whole CNS overload principle but that only really occurs when you are constantly working yourself into the ground. What I'm saying is that only some of your working is only to failure, seemingly never beyond and often the rest in submaximal. I get the reasons why (for the most part) not many journals here really seem to put in alot of hard work. I remember Drizzt doing some high rep squats as a different stimulus. These a fucking hard, not many guys here do much of the sort. Why? I'm not saying you're scared of training hard, just saying, not a lot of hard work goes on

[steak]

PDs got all anti cos hes walking round in my bad air

[ThePman]

What I'm saying is that only some of your working is only to failure, seemingly never beyond and often the rest in submaximal. I get the reasons why (for the most part) not many journals here really seem to put in alot of hard work. I remember Drizzt doing some high rep squats as a different stimulus. These a fucking hard, not many guys here do much of the sort. Why? I'm not saying you're scared of training hard, just saying, not a lot of hard work goes on

There's that ignorance of basic strength & conditioning principles again.

We can sum up PD's whole argument as "people aren't training how I think they should train".

[PeterDolan]

What I'm saying is that only some of your working is only to failure, seemingly never beyond and often the rest in submaximal. I get the reasons why (for the most part) not many journals here really seem to put in alot of hard work. I remember Drizzt doing some high rep squats as a different stimulus. These a fucking hard, not many guys here do much of the sort. Why? I'm not saying you're scared of training hard, just saying, not a lot of hard work goes on

There's that ignorance of basic strength & conditioning principles again.

We can sum up PD's whole argument as "people aren't training how I think they should train".

I still think every few sessions or so, if people borrowed from docs PBing principles then they would be making greater gains

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the difference between just working hard, and working smart.

[HarryB]

What I'm saying is that only some of your working is only to failure, seemingly never beyond and often the rest in submaximal. I get the reasons why (for the most part) not many journals here really seem to put in alot of hard work. I remember Drizzt doing some high rep squats as a different stimulus. These a fucking hard, not many guys here do much of the sort. Why? I'm not saying you're scared of training hard, just saying, not a lot of hard work goes on

There's that ignorance of basic strength & conditioning principles again.

We can sum up PD's whole argument as "people aren't training how I think they should train".

I still think every few sessions or so, if people borrowed from docs PBing principles then they would be making greater gains

and I think we all had too much caffeine this morning lol

[PeterDolan]

There's that ignorance of basic strength & conditioning principles again.

We can sum up PD's whole argument as "people aren't training how I think they should train".

I still think every few sessions or so, if people borrowed from docs PBing principles then they would be making greater gains

and I think we all had too much caffeine this morning lol

I'm probably lacking haha

[ThePman]

What I'm saying is that only some of your working is only to failure, seemingly never beyond and often the rest in submaximal. I get the reasons why (for the most part) not many journals here really seem to put in alot of hard work. I remember Drizzt doing some high rep squats as a different stimulus. These a fucking hard, not many guys here do much of the sort. Why? I'm not saying you're scared of training hard, just saying, not a lot of hard work goes on

There's that ignorance of basic strength & conditioning principles again.

We can sum up PD's whole argument as "people aren't training how I think they should train".

I still think every few sessions or so, if people borrowed from docs PBing principles then they would be making greater gains

I don't doubt that, but it's not for the reasons you think.

Pete you seem really hung up on the idea that hard work can only happen if you're doing high reps or sets to failure -- but there are other ways to train hard.

To see this in effect, squat 3-7 times a week, hitting 20-30 lifts above 80% at each session.

Hard work happens in different ways.

[HarryB]

the difference between just working hard, and working smart.

Well at the end of the day what's smart for PLing isn't effective for BBing and vice versa. I won't argue semantics and point out that you just said you don't train hard you just train smart, oh hang on I just did lol but I know what you mean. Our goals are different so we use different means to achieve them. I do actually train a couple of PLers though and I have to say while I primarily focus on their power I do also do short stints of more BB type training to fill in gaps in their strength and really for balance in their physiques. PLers can be vain too!

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the difference between just working hard, and working smart.

Well at the end of the day what's smart for PLing isn't effective for BBing and vice versa. I won't argue semantics and point out that you just said you don't train hard you just train smart, oh hang on I just did lol but I know what you mean. Our goals are different so we use different means to achieve them. I do actually train a couple of PLers though and I have to say while I primarily focus on their power I do also do short stints of more BB type training to fill in gaps in their strength and really for balance in their physiques. PLers can be vain too!

you misread bro.

the difference between JUST working hard, and working smart aswell. maybe i shouldve spelled it out more clearly.

[Big john]

PDs got all anti cos hes walking round in my bad air

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lol this thread makes me face plam hard