NZPF Powerlifting Nationals - Updates???

[Big john]

RAW = Soft suit' date=' belt, knee sleeves (but only certain types) and wrist wraps only. (knee wraps are not permitted)[/quote']

Thanks for that Tonka, that's what I thought OBs use of Raw RAW RAW had me a little confused :pfft:

from the Rules:

4. Alternatively, an elasticised knee cap supporter not exceeding 30 cm in length may be worn. Knee sleeves 30 cm in length are also legal and the medical/surgical sleeves is also an option. A combination of the two is strictly forbidden. Neoprene may be “synthetic” rubber but is only acceptable in the knee sleeve.

Tommy Konos and Rehband are the most popular, expensive on the shipping side to.

yea if you were looking to buy i would suggest buying afew pairs with others to reduce the cost of shipping

[red machine]

Thanks for that Tonka, that's what I thought OBs use of Raw RAW RAW had me a little confused :pfft:

from the Rules:

4. Alternatively, an elasticised knee cap supporter not exceeding 30 cm in length may be worn. Knee sleeves 30 cm in length are also legal and the medical/surgical sleeves is also an option. A combination of the two is strictly forbidden. Neoprene may be “synthetic” rubber but is only acceptable in the knee sleeve.

Tommy Konos and Rehband are the most popular, expensive on the shipping side to.

yea if you were looking to buy i would suggest buying afew pairs with others to reduce the cost of shipping

raw = pure joy to a novice lifter with little time to learn gear and/or afford buying it yet wants to be competitive very happy man here!! side note im gettin some tk knee sleeves bought over from auss from old lady in sept so if any one is looking at them let me know and could jack something up, as shipping will be near nill

[Dr Squat]

There is not enough interest, at the moment for a stand alone Raw Nationals. But once standards and records have been implemented then lifters can attend Geared Nationals and compete for Raw records with other Raw Lifters.

Thanks for this information Warren. How do they know that there is not enough interest? Is this based on something concrete or speculation?

[Tonka]

Im in agreement with OB, I would say the numbers would be on speculation but to be honest I dont think NZ has the numbers to justify a stand alone RAW nationals but the other option where RAW lifters competing at the equipped nationals but under a RAW category would be excellent. This allows them to still compete and go for regional/national/Oceania/World Records and titles with the right referees present as well as drug testing available. Its a win-win!!!

I commend AprilliaRS from the PH forum on turning up to this years nationals and competing RAW. In the end he beat the 93kg equipped lifters by winning his class. Awesome stuff! :clap:

[Dr Squat]

I have little doubt that raw powerlifting will supercede equipped. There does seem to be some reluctance to promote raw. Why not have a postal nationals next year? Provincial champs on the same day? Otherwise a seperate division at the "equipped" nationals. Raw will not grow unless it is promoted. Hoping lifter may decide to lift raw against equipped lifters??? Is that realistic???

[Viking Power]

I have little doubt that raw powerlifting will supercede equipped. There does seem to be some reluctance to promote raw. Why not have a postal nationals next year? Provincial champs on the same day? Otherwise a seperate division at the "equipped" nationals. Raw will not grow unless it is promoted. Hoping lifter may decide to lift raw against equipped lifters??? Is that realistic???

I don't know about raw to supercede equipped side off things, but I think its a positive that Raw is under way good stuff for poeple who want to complete in raw divisions :clap:

I think what is trying to be said Doc, no ones how many numbers will turn out for raw next year but either way if the numbers are there they could have there own day set aside at Nationals at some stage or if the numbers are not there they could still complete at Nationals with the equipped lifters but complete against other raw lifters and set records and qualify for the raw worlds in the raw disvision etc but not complete agaisnt equipped lifters on the day for overall titles etc i guess there will need to be another set cups etc for raw lifters? is how I read it ? as we know its not rocket science its chalk and cheese comparing both agaisnt each other we all know that a good equipped lifter will always beat a good raw lifter :pfft: :pfft: just a fact .

It can only be good for the sport :clap: but I will enter next year in equipped section as this is more appealing to me. good times ahead.

[thatwaslight]

What is a 'soft suit'? I guess could people see raw as less popular to watch due to the fact that they wont get to see huge weight over all getting lifted? I surpose some lifters might get 60+ kg out of a shirt so the prospect of lifting that raw isn't that exciting?

[Viking Power]

What is a 'soft suit'? I guess could people see raw as less popular to watch due to the fact that they wont get to see huge weight over all getting lifted? I surpose some lifters might get 60+ kg out of a shirt so the prospect of lifting that raw isn't that exciting?

A soft suit is a suit which is required when people bench with a shirt once a member or want to lift raw once a member it gives no support to any lift just think off it as a uniform i guess.

Raw is Raw mate you might see the odd big guy lift a good amount off tin but in general yes weights will be alot less on the bar, bear in mind some don't get 60kg out off there shirt or other suits while others / masters off gear and techinque may get more, to me how I look at it on a personal level would be like going to a bodybuilding show watching a natural vs geared bodybuilder most people want to see the big guys some will disagree and thats fine but the choice is there now so thats good, bright side there is an option to lift raw or geared which is great for many reasons, beginners, cost off buying gear etc.....

[Old Bull]

There is not enough interest, at the moment for a stand alone Raw Nationals. But once standards and records have been implemented then lifters can attend Geared Nationals and compete for Raw records with other Raw Lifters.

Thanks for this information Warren. How do they know that there is not enough interest? Is this based on something concrete or speculation?

Hi Doc,

I pushed for a Raw Nationals that we were prepared to hold in March/April same as Australia and Samoa. To be honest I do not think they had thought to much about it, well had much feed back anyway. As we Simon, and Wazza were talking how good it would go, from what feed back we have been given, and what we knew. Myself and T talked about a early Raw when lifters are just getting into the Season as quite a few do there Regionals Raw, we think it would get a good turnout.

If it generates the lifters that we think are out there then it will be a stand alone, or in the mean time, a seperate day at the Nationals, which is looking like becoming a 3 day event.

It is up to the Associations to promote their Raw comps garner the interest and push to the NEC.

[runveerun]

Here's the Central districts ladies cleaning up winning the womens trophy :clap: :

[Dr Squat]

I don't know about raw to supercede equipped side off things, but I think its a positive that Raw is under way good stuff for poeple who want to complete in raw divisions :clap:

I think what is trying to be said Doc, no ones how many numbers will turn out for raw next year but either way if the numbers are there they could have there own day set aside at Nationals at some stage or if the numbers are not there they could still complete at Nationals with the equipped lifters but complete against other raw lifters and set records and qualify for the raw worlds in the raw disvision etc but not complete agaisnt equipped lifters on the day for overall titles etc i guess there will need to be another set cups etc for raw lifters?

My point is that powerlifting is drifting along and has been for a long time in terms of lifter numbers. Raw powerlifting surely represents an opportunity for the sport to make some positive strides forward. Am I the only one that thinks that equipment is a barrier to entry for many in the sport?

Interesting that the local associations have been charged with driving the raw initiative. This is a good thing. I am not sure how the financial side of things works but it would be nice to think that the NZPF is empowering the associations with some financial resources to help them make some real progress. The approach of "sitting back and seeing how it goes" is generally one that yields good results. Unless of course you prefer the status quo.

[startinfromscratch]

My point is that powerlifting is drifting along and has been for a long time in terms of lifter numbers. Raw powerlifting surely represents an opportunity for the sport to make some positive strides forward. Am I the only one that thinks that equipment is a barrier to entry for many in the sport?

this is exactly my thinking aswell.

Interesting that the local associations have been charged with driving the raw initiative. This is a good thing. I am not sure how the financial side of things works but it would be nice to think that the NZPF is empowering the associations with some financial resources to help them make some real progress.

sweet, ESBB - raw capital of NZ :grin:

you will be able to afford all the timtams and fanta you like with all them NZPF kickbacks bro!

[Viking Power]

I don't know about raw to supercede equipped side off things, but I think its a positive that Raw is under way good stuff for poeple who want to complete in raw divisions :clap:

I think what is trying to be said Doc, no ones how many numbers will turn out for raw next year but either way if the numbers are there they could have there own day set aside at Nationals at some stage or if the numbers are not there they could still complete at Nationals with the equipped lifters but complete against other raw lifters and set records and qualify for the raw worlds in the raw disvision etc but not complete agaisnt equipped lifters on the day for overall titles etc i guess there will need to be another set cups etc for raw lifters?

My point is that powerlifting is drifting along and has been for a long time in terms of lifter numbers. Raw powerlifting surely represents an opportunity for the sport to make some positive strides forward. Am I the only one that thinks that equipment is a barrier to entry for many in the sport?

Interesting that the local associations have been charged with driving the raw initiative. This is a good thing. I am not sure how the financial side of things works but it would be nice to think that the NZPF is empowering the associations with some financial resources to help them make some real progress. The approach of "sitting back and seeing how it goes" is generally one that yields good results. Unless of course you prefer the status quo.

:pfft: :pfft: funny how you felt this part out that I did agree with?? bright side there is an option to lift raw or geared which is great for many reasons, beginners, cost off buying gear etc.....

Anyhow there are alot off positives here, people that don't want to use equipment don't need to anymore, people you can't afford don't need to worry anymore etc etc, they will join up with NZPF and go on the testing program like every one else has too so its a win win, I'm not sure about the politics behind it all but I don't really care about them either to be fair because there will be always someone you can't pleased....I think its a step forward people have asked about it now its here for the people they just need to enter I'm sure they right people are pushing this in all parties concerned, so look forward to seeing you smash it on the platform Doc :clap:

[Dr Squat]

Anyhow there are alot off positives here, people that don't want to use equipment don't need to anymore, people you can't afford don't need to worry anymore etc etc, they will join up with NZPF and go on the testing program like every one else has too so its a win win, I'm not sure about the politics behind it all but I don't really care about them either to be fair because there will be always someone you can't pleased....I think its a step forward people have asked about it now its here for the people they just need to enter I'm sure they right people are pushing this in all parties concerned, so look forward to seeing you smash it on the platform Doc :clap:

Lifters have always had the option of lifting raw against equipped lifters. Nothing has changed, has it? Well the only change is that the provincial associations have been charged with establishing raw lifting and if they get some numbers then the NZPF might pick it up at a National level. If they don't get the numbers then they will carry on with the status quo.

I don't want to turn this into a negative thing as there is some progress. I will be supporting the CPA in running a successful raw provincial comp. Depending on the timing there is an opportunity to get some crossover from other sports such as league and rugby and of course younger gym goers. Exposing new people to a more simple sport is the way it will grow.

[steak]

Getting recognised for lifting raw will be good for the sport.

[bang_bang]

im keen as to get into some raw powerlifting i reckon itl be a lot more appealing to younger guys in particular

[mike27]

me too! any comps planned for 2012 in chch area late next year?

well, any dates out yet i guess :nod:

[drizzt]

me too! any comps planned for 2012 in chch area late next year?

well, any dates out yet i guess :nod:

Honestly bro, don't wait too long. Just jump in on one and do it :nod: Best way to learn is get it out of the way when you haven't competed before, and then come back a little wiser (and stronger!) for your next comp.

Otherwise you lose that hunger you've got now, this time next year circumstances may change

Check with Dr Squat about comps in CHCH, I don't think a 2012 calendar is out yet, but generally some of the comps happen around the same time every year, so you can plan with one of these in mind.

[mike27]

cheers

yeah im gunna hit the eastside comp in dec i think as a trial run and see how it all works

need some training on comp lifts and techniques at some stage

rest,pause on the bench and whats considered a 'lift' or a no go :?