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Not a right of passage ... to the critics

Optimass

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Optimass Veteran member

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I think sometimes it's hard to see past what is constructive and what isn't on the forum. TBH there is a culture I am committed to changing on the forum if I am going to stay involved.

It has been said that within bodybuilding elite this forum can sometimes be toxic at times. (I know quite a few of you and have much repsect as you will be aware). But to be fair I think those outside the core forum membership here don't fully understand context in some instances and allow emotion to influence a response.

Often the comments of a few can sometimes cause distress to those not commonly on the boards >>> but to be fair, part of being an elite athlete, coach or federation board member in your chosen sport is understanding that there will always be people that have something to say and that sometimes its ill informed, off topic and completely unqualified. At the same time it's always better to ignore the negative and respond with the positive, you leave yourself open to further critisism otherwise.

Another thing to remember is that if you have a pro-card, which is a great achievement and is for the most part respected, that on the forum this isn't a right of passage. All members are afforded the same consideration but respect is earned through support, delivery of content and then reputation. All members are equal.

If you look past the entorage of hecklers and pranksters there is a real positive vibe and lot's of great information .. and opinions being shared. All forums operate this way in some way or form.

If you struggle with all of this then it's probably not the right place to be for you but it's not going to detract from everyones need to share advice and experience freely .... and in most cases I think the individuals that are qualifed to offer advice are champions in their own rights. You don't have to have a procard or have placed in a show to qualify your contribution - sometimes even the most seasoned lifters can learn a lot from watching a novice.

On attitude, and to quote Tonka ...

Just ask around and you will find I have always given up my time openly and freely to novice as well as seasoned lifters. Many say I should charge for what I share but why? I was in the same situation when I started and Ive never forgotten that.

When I first got involved in 2007 the membership was a lot smaller, easier to influence behaviour and commentary as a result, and for the most part a safe environment --- as it is today. I joined as a member with the same belief - that with as much experience as I have as a personal trainer, business owner and body builder - that I could charge $90 an hour for it but instead get more value out of sharing it and seeing other people benefit from it.

There is nothing more empowering in my opinion than seeing someone overcome personal challenge whether it be in business or in the gym --- seeing them stretch their comfort zones and achieve more than they though they could. Taking it one step further, it's even more empowering to see them go on and influence others - pay it forward.

This negative undertone that is referred to on occasion is something I am personally going to be looking at moving forward. Not because I think we should have more pro and elite members on the site > as they will make their own assessment as to if they want to participate. But because I want to be involved in something that empowers others ultimately.

As it stands we have a very good knowledge base amoungst our more qualified members. And there are a lot of core members that have gone on to benefit and share experience which have then gone on to inspire others. People have come and gone ... and then come back again ... and then gone again :pfft: but that's just a fact of life. It doesn't detract from the core purpose which can be found in the mission statement ...

NZBodybuilding.co.nz is proudly independent, and has no affiliation with any bodybuilding association, supplements company or gym. These organisations may purchase advertising on the site, but they have no influence on its content.

The website aims to provide a platform for bodybuilders to expand their own knowledge while creating the opportunity to share it with others.

We recognise there are many aspects of bodybuilding where people hold different theories. We welcome any debate or discussion which is conducted in a tolerant, friendly manner, and encourage participants to provide background research to support their views.

Bodybuilding media is often swamped with bias and favouritism. Neutral publications are few and far between.

We are determined that NZBodybuilding.co.nz will retain its objectivity and impartiality. If a product or service is flawed, our members must be able to say so. There will be no censoring of opinions (unless a post breaches the membership terms and conditions).

It is the goal of NZBodybuilding.co.nz to act as a gateway and portal into bodybuilding, helping new members discover this exciting sport.

What I think we as a mod team agree we are going to step in a lot more often moving forward as a result.

Times are changing ...

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(I'm sure Pseu winces when I get all emotive like this :pfft: ... I'm the hard to manage one :nod: :lol: )

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Thanks for that Optimass. It does sometimes seem that the "lets cut em down before they begin to grow" group sometimes get to people when they look at this forum. If I was a novice lifter and looking for info I would definitely have taken a 2nd and 3rd look at the postings before making a decision about posting anything myself. As it was it took me some time just going through things to decide whether or not to start posting.

I don't agree that it's just the internet so let's just slam everyone because we think it's amusing. The dude you slam today is the guy kicking your ass tomorrow. Not literally but figuratively in the sense that while some people focus so much on the negative they aren't doing much of note while the poor newby getting flamed is busting his ass trying to improve him or herself. Maybe ass kicked sometimes literally too! We are emotive creatures and have an individual sense of what we deem is right and acceptable. It would seem that a small group of people on this site don't mind at all crossing those lines and in fact seem to delight in bringing everyone else down. Apparently what doesn't kill you makes you stronger or something blah blah blah maybe people being a wank to you your whole life means that you have an issue you need addressing ha ha ha ha

Whilst it is just the internet it is a community of it's own, nothing wrong with a bit of fun and banter but I think there has to be some kind of a line drawn. Surely a wee tiny bit of courtesy should be expected of people.

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Excellent thread.

With a miserly 280ish posts, I do not consider myself one of the 'core' being referred to.

If it wasn't for the fact that I know and respect someone heavily involved in the site, I can tell you now that there have been a number of times I would have written off the forums as a light entertainment for times you feel like witnessing a beat down on the innocent.

That has now gotten old and tired, I just can't be arsed reading that sort of crap. It just makes the perpetrators look like idiots and wastes my time.

This place needs an attitude adjustment.

Bring it on!

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Sounds like some people are taking the internet too seriously. If half the people stopped wasting time taking photos of themsleves and crying when their ego wasnt stroked and spent more under the bar they wouldnt get flamed so much. Credit where credit is due but credit for participation?

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I also thought that was very well put Opti and Harry.I find it very offensive when I get slamed and put down by a small group of people on this site.Bring on the new changes.

Dont be so sensitive.. its the internet. if it offends you that easily id hate to see you in the real world.

im just keeping it real, you got really quite uptight when i called you out on those weight claims. you even got on the bandwagon about cameron telling fibs about his 165 for 8 or ten reps whichever it was when you do the exact same thing...

a spade is a spade. now you just needa do what you do and stop complaining. theres not need to get all iffy and offended, people can pretty much say what they want to your face in public and if you told me some of your lifts face to face id tell u your full of shit weather you had one leg, purple skin, half a head and whatever.

im sick of your private messages to me too, stop telling me you hope i get banned etc... im not interested!

everyones too damn serious...

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moderators this thread is over the top, this is the internet, not a kindergarden.

Sure when someone posts pics we should be allowed to critique...

If they cant handle negative comments then dont post pictures of yourself online :doh: , makes me feel like im in a preschool being told what we can and cannot say...

Some comments have been harsh and should be followed with advice/good points etc...but that is a moral issue, not something that should be banned etc...

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moderators this thread is over the top, this is the internet, not a kindergarden.

Sure when someone posts pics we should be allowed to critique...

If they cant handle negative comments then dont post pictures of yourself online :doh: , makes me feel like im in a preschool being told what we can and cannot say...

Some comments have been harsh and should be followed with advice/good points etc...but that is a moral issue, not something that should be banned etc...

Hey at the end of the day Pseudonym is selling the space on here to adverisers.

He needs it to be an appealing place to them or he doesnt get money in the bank.

So to make the site more appealing to the average joe the site needs to be more welcoming.

If its a case of blowing smoke up someones arse who posts crappy pics then this creates the feeling that its a friendly place and joe average will tell his average mate and they too will become members and post their average pics and not fear being flamed for being super average.

That means more members which is appealing to advertisers, and they are potentially reaching more people so the space for advertising becomes more expensive which equals $$$$ for Pseudonym.

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