site based inflammation

[Roidzilla]

into week 8 of a standard 500mg cyp cycle.

cliffs

- using UG gear, well dosed

- do 2 jabs a week, alternate glutes only.

- pinning using 22G 1.5"

- just cracked my 2nd vial (20ml)

- following strict sterile procedures.

the first vial i had maybe 6-7 jabs out of it that would leave me with an inflammation 'lump' lasting up to 5 days for a bad one. really uncomfortable for sitting etc. but always cleared before the next shot in that side (7 days apart).

because some jabs were sweet, and some sore i examined the actual oil. i can see 'whisps' in it, like faint particles floating in the oil, hugging the sides of the vial etc. i sit my vials in hot water for awhile before i draw.

i have nothing to compare to, no previous experience in this to be drawing on. source has had issues before with 'bitey' gear. think ima try cutting it with grapeseed?

i plan on putting the grapeseed in my empty first vial, leaving a pin in the stopper and baking it out.

should i bake the cyp aswell? are the wisps hormone or BA?

anyone else have experience to share?

[thatwaslight]

Sounds like it has a bit too much ba, anything over 5% concentration starts to sting. Not good if there are particles in the vial....do the whisps look like tiny hairs/fibers?

[Anaru84]

too much ba lol

Ok your gear has slightly crashed. The crystals u see is test. this can be seen as a good thing and a bad thing. Test Cyp cant be made any stronger then 300MG/ML and this is only possible if u use Ethyl Oleate as the carrier oil. Not Grape seed oil or any other oils as it crash with low ba/bb %ages. The only way i have heard to get cyp to hold at 300mg is at 2% ba and 20%bb with EO. As EO is pretty expensive most brewers use a EO and oil mix or just straight oil with ba and bb of course. There are other solvents that can be used but some of them have their own set of complications and also can be toxic. like Guacol.

It hurts to inject because of the crystalisation of your cyp. i had cyp that kept crashing, heated it and injected and it would crash in the muscle, this is what is causing the pain.

now i said this is a good thing why? because it means that your gear is probably properly dosed cyp at 200mg wont crash, much more stable. though any higher and it tends to fk up.

Speak to your brewer and give them the recipe above. it works well... from what im told ... can also do enathate at 400mg with that recipe... again so im told haha

hope this helps!!!!

[thatwaslight]

I have used tren e that crashed massively and never had any site inflammation.... I have had site inflammation from too much ba though.

He's right about it being a good thing re the dose, and yes I have had test400 and it does tickle a little bit nothing major tho.

[Anaru84]

I have used tren e that crashed massively and never had any site inflammation.... I have had site inflammation from too much ba though.

He's right about it being a good thing re the dose, and yes I have had test400 and it does tickle a little bit nothing major tho.

how bad did it crash? the cyp i had, the whole vial turned into a solid crystal lol. stuck it in my quad and in crashed again in my leg and was in agony lol. i can usually stick 3ml of bladder prop in my quad with out any major probs...

is that test400, proper made or home brew?

Ive heard of 500mg mixes, 250 test and 250 deca, 250 test and 250 eq... from over seas though...

also u can make eq at 500mg too, as its a liquid not a powder.

[thatwaslight]

I have used tren e that crashed massively and never had any site inflammation.... I have had site inflammation from too much ba though.

He's right about it being a good thing re the dose, and yes I have had test400 and it does tickle a little bit nothing major tho.

how bad did it crash? the cyp i had, the whole vial turned into a solid crystal lol. stuck it in my quad and in crashed again in my leg and was in agony lol. i can usually stick 3ml of bladder prop in my quad with out any major probs...

is that test400, proper made or home brew?

Ive heard of 500mg mixes, 250 test and 250 deca, 250 test and 250 eq... from over seas though...

also u can make eq at 500mg too, as its a liquid not a powder.

Was a solid cystal, had to use a lighter to melt into liquid lol looked really cool and I never had any problems with it. Test 400 was ug I had no dramas but few dudes I know had rough sites and yeah some times to save time when I have two compounds at 5ml each I use comparable doses of I'll chuck 5 ml into one vial to save the f*ck around.

[Specter]

I have used tren e that crashed massively and never had any site inflammation.... I have had site inflammation from too much ba though.

He's right about it being a good thing re the dose, and yes I have had test400 and it does tickle a little bit nothing major tho.

how bad did it crash? the cyp i had, the whole vial turned into a solid crystal lol. stuck it in my quad and in crashed again in my leg and was in agony lol. i can usually stick 3ml of bladder prop in my quad with out any major probs...

is that test400, proper made or home brew?

Ive heard of 500mg mixes, 250 test and 250 deca, 250 test and 250 eq... from over seas though...

also u can make eq at 500mg too, as its a liquid not a powder.

Was a solid cystal, had to use a lighter to melt into liquid lol looked really cool and I never had any problems with it. Test 400 was ug I had no dramas but few dudes I know had rough sites and yeah some times to save time when I have two compounds at 5ml each I use comparable doses of I'll chuck 5 ml into one vial to save the f*ck around.

CRYSTAL METH.

[thatwaslight]

how bad did it crash? the cyp i had, the whole vial turned into a solid crystal lol. stuck it in my quad and in crashed again in my leg and was in agony lol. i can usually stick 3ml of bladder prop in my quad with out any major probs...

is that test400, proper made or home brew?

Ive heard of 500mg mixes, 250 test and 250 deca, 250 test and 250 eq... from over seas though...

also u can make eq at 500mg too, as its a liquid not a powder.

Was a solid cystal, had to use a lighter to melt into liquid lol looked really cool and I never had any problems with it. Test 400 was ug I had no dramas but few dudes I know had rough sites and yeah some times to save time when I have two compounds at 5ml each I use comparable doses of I'll chuck 5 ml into one vial to save the f*ck around.

CRYSTAL METH.

LOL bro that's what it felt like, had to keep a lighter in my med bag

[Anaru84]

Was a solid cystal, had to use a lighter to melt into liquid lol looked really cool and I never had any problems with it. Test 400 was ug I had no dramas but few dudes I know had rough sites and yeah some times to save time when I have two compounds at 5ml each I use comparable doses of I'll chuck 5 ml into one vial to save the f*ck around.

CRYSTAL METH.

LOL bro that's what it felt like, had to keep a lighter in my med bag

WTF a lighter? hahaha spotting tren hahahaha

its best to put it in the oven as its heating for 5 min or so. that gets it nice and thin too. just dont let it reach boiling point as u can damage the hormone inside

[Roidzilla]

Sounds like it has a bit too much ba, anything over 5% concentration starts to sting. Not good if there are particles in the vial....do the whisps look like tiny hairs/fibers?

whisps look more like groups of dust particles.

too much ba lol

Ok your gear has slightly crashed. The crystals u see is test. this can be seen as a good thing and a bad thing. Test Cyp cant be made any stronger then 300MG/ML and this is only possible if u use Ethyl Oleate as the carrier oil. Not Grape seed oil or any other oils as it crash with low ba/bb %ages. The only way i have heard to get cyp to hold at 300mg is at 2% ba and 20%bb with EO. As EO is pretty expensive most brewers use a EO and oil mix or just straight oil with ba and bb of course. There are other solvents that can be used but some of them have their own set of complications and also can be toxic. like Guacol.

It hurts to inject because of the crystalisation of your cyp. i had cyp that kept crashing, heated it and injected and it would crash in the muscle, this is what is causing the pain.

now i said this is a good thing why? because it means that your gear is probably properly dosed cyp at 200mg wont crash, much more stable. though any higher and it tends to fk up.

Speak to your brewer and give them the recipe above. it works well... from what im told ... can also do enathate at 400mg with that recipe... again so im told haha

hope this helps!!!!

thanks mate!

am going to start using 4 sites instead of 2 aswell....

[Anaru84]

2 injection sites only? i use 8 lol

glutes, quads, shoulders, lats. and some times calves if im feelin silly lol

[lazyeye]

Lats?! Jesus....I thought shoulder was hard enough one handed. I would probably fill up a lung if I gave that a go

[kendo]

Lats?! Jesus....I thought shoulder was hard enough one handed. I would probably fill up a lung if I gave that a go

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[Bluto]

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[lazyeye]

150 degrees?wouldn't a peptide designed to work in a human body temp of 32 deg denature at that temp? Better than having a boggy infection I guess

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i could only find this

Loss of function

Most biological proteins lose their biological function when denatured. For example, ENZYMES lose their activity, because the substrates can no longer bind to the active site, and because amino acid residues involved in stabilizing substrates' transition states are no longer positioned to be able to do so.

REVERSIBILITY and irreversibility

In many proteins (unlike egg whites), denaturation is reversible (the proteins can regain their native state when the denaturing influence is removed). This was important historically, as it led to the notion that all the information needed for proteins to assume their native state was encoded in the primary structure of the protein, and hence in the DNA that codes for the protein.

Source(s):

http://www.chemistryexplained.com/Co-Di/…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturatio…

which sounds like it does reorganise itself

[thatwaslight]

Anybody using UG gear should, Bake it for 1 hr at 150c then add 10% sterile oil ( or enough sterile oil to return it to 250mg per ml ) and 1% Ba to Keep it Sterile. Also remember that pretty much all gear is going to be underdosed as most people would notice the difference btween 300mg and 200mg as far as reesults.

You never know wheres its been.

Always use a sterile glass vial/bottle too. Wash them with Iso then bake for couple hours before adding sterile gear.

Right..........add extra sterile oil to gear that's underdosed to return it 250mg/ml? what makes you think UG gear wouldn't already have ample ba in it?

I know people who use several different brands of UG gear and none have ever had an abscess or had to f*ck around sterilizing it....

i have used a brand of gear that had particles floating in it once (no i wont name) but it was fine, All the reputable UG gear has been baked and sterilized, these are brands your talking about and the best way to ruin a brand is if users are getting accesses...great way to ruin a business.

If your talking about UG gear from over seas or from some back yard operation in bobs garage then maybe but not the leading brands in NZ imo

[Anaru84]

Anybody using UG gear should, Bake it for 1 hr at 150c then add 10% sterile oil ( or enough sterile oil to return it to 250mg per ml ) and 1% Ba to Keep it Sterile. Also remember that pretty much all gear is going to be underdosed as most people would notice the difference btween 300mg and 200mg as far as reesults.

You never know wheres its been.

Always use a sterile glass vial/bottle too. Wash them with Iso then bake for couple hours before adding sterile gear.

this is over kill dont u think?

1st off, if u are using UG gear then u should really know and trust your brewer.

BA is used as a solvent and preservative and to keep the mixture from growing bacteria. It doesnt sterilise in that sense. filters remove impurities/bacteria.

and the difference between 200 and 300mg is noticable to me. i know and trust my brewer and i have even had his stuf lab tested so i know im ok.

[thatwaslight]

Anybody using UG gear should, Bake it for 1 hr at 150c then add 10% sterile oil ( or enough sterile oil to return it to 250mg per ml ) and 1% Ba to Keep it Sterile. Also remember that pretty much all gear is going to be underdosed as most people would notice the difference btween 300mg and 200mg as far as reesults.

You never know wheres its been.

Always use a sterile glass vial/bottle too. Wash them with Iso then bake for couple hours before adding sterile gear.

this is over kill dont u think?

1st off, if u are using UG gear then u should really know and trust your brewer.

BA is used as a solvent and preservative and to keep the mixture from growing bacteria. It doesnt sterilise in that sense. filters remove impurities/bacteria.

and the difference between 200 and 300mg is noticable to me. i know and trust my brewer and i have even had his stuf lab tested so i know im ok.

Repped

[Anaru84]

Lats?! Jesus....I thought shoulder was hard enough one handed. I would probably fill up a lung if I gave that a go

its actually alot easier then the shoulder. put your hand on the opposing shoulder and it spreads the lat to some extent. swab and stick it easy lol

[Roidzilla]

have done this weeks pins into delts, 1.25ml each side no worries at all. havent had any lumpage. going to continue with 4 sites for now and see how i go.