3rd Cycle - Test/Dbol/Deca

[tikalosh]

Planning my third cycle (bulking) in a couple of months as follows:

Option 1

Weeks 1-4 Prop 50mg ED

Weeks 1-10 Enanth 250mg 2xweek

Weeks 1-10 Deca 400mg/week

Weeks 1-10 Adex 0.5mg ED/EOD

PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20

Possibly HCG

Option 2

Same as above with Dbol 30-50mg/day first 4 weeks instead of prop

Just wanted to know in terms of gaining quality mass and less water option 1 would b better?

And as test dosage should exceed deca dosage would 100mg be enough or should I b taking 600mg test instead?

Last cycle (cutting) was 12 weeks of:

Prop 100mg EOD

EQ 400mg/week

Adex 0.5EOD

PCT

Stats

Age 23

Weight 100kg

Height 188cm/6'2"

BF 11%

Been lifting 8 years with proper diet

[maassive]

Interesting cycle and questions red dragon.

Have you used dbols before? If so how were you sides on them? I found dbols amazing and found that I didn't lose any noticeable size when i dropped them because i was running quite high test at the time. My preference would be to run the dbols just for the extra angle they bring over just running extra test, but I'm interested to see what the others say.

As for your second question, is it just me or is it a bit unclear; I'm not really sure what you're asking.

Be keen to see a cycle log for this if you're up to it?

[train hard]

if you want some quick strength gains from day 1 i would go the dbol option but if you are paranoid about water retention and that then go prop but personally i would say harden the fuk up and go Dbol mate the breakfast of champions!

if you gona take the adex i would go EOD but if you don,t mind sacraficing a little bit of strength so you can look a bit dryer on cycle or are very prone to estrogen sides then go everyday not my thing unless im trying to get cut but everyone is different both good options at the end of the day

[severe]

A 500mg test & 400mg Deca per week with Dbol was great. Though I dropped the Dbol later in cycle. I am not too worried about front loading.

Maybe go for 14 weeks, and do the Dbol around week 8 or 9 for some seriously massive performance.

[train hard]

A 500mg test & 400mg Deca per week with Dbol was great. Though I dropped the Dbol later in cycle. I am not too worried about front loading.

Maybe go for 14 weeks, and do the Dbol around week 8 or 9 for some seriously massive performance.

Dbol mid cycle is the good shit mad crazy pumps and workouts that are alot more intense then when you frontload while waiting for the long acting compounds to peak really gives you a kick in the ass

[tikalosh]

Haven't tried Dbol before, this cycle is to gain some quality mass, prolly -+5kg that i can maintain maaayyyy choose to extend the cycle for 4 weeks and cut down to single digit bf with prop/clen/mast or winny, still contemplating.

deca should apparently b run with a greater amount of test thus was wondering if my proposed dosages is good enough.

yup might post up a log

[tomsammce]

the 500:400 ratio of test deca is fine mate, 100mg more of testosterone is enough to keep the infamous deca side effects at bay such as deca dick etc.

hope that answers your question.

[Sifo-Dyas]

This has been very interesting to read and to see the ratio of Test/Deca at 500/400 for a mass phase and a similar proportion of Test/Eq in the 2nd cycle. Everyone seems to be agreeing with this practice and I must give this a shot.

My practice has always been maximum test ratio in the 1st stage of a mass phase with an oral, then switching to a higher anabolic content towards the end of the cycle to harden things up and finish it off.

Dbol is great in a mass phase beginning or mid cycle. I prefer to use Stanz oral for less fluid and better results overall.

But hey... I haven't tried this high Deca ratio with test so will have to have a crack before I go knocking it