YOU CAN EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT!!

[JOSEF RAKICH]

Anyways, over this now. I’m sure you know what you should be eating, seems like you're trying to find an excuse to eat what you want to eat and feel good about it.

I do eat my oats and my vegetables and my lean chicken breasts and my peanut butter on a dialy basis. Its not an excuse its jsut the facts. Lol if you think eating McDonalds wil automatically make you fat because its "McDonalds". IIFYM then its fine.

[startinfromscratch]

jr, what are the macros of a clen & cucumber smoothie?

[rt_rusty]

I can see where Josef is coming from with the eat whatever you want just meet your targets, but im gunna stick to eating clean. That way i get more bang for my buck so to speak. Because i will defiantly feel alot more fuller after eating rice, chicken and veges than a slice of pizza. But its nice to know that if i feel like eating shit from time to time then i can as long as i meet my targets

[jimjim83]

So basicly JR you are talking about a weight watches diet. A points system where you can eat shit as long as you cut out food from elsewhere in the daily allowed rations.

[parrotnine]

Layne also talks about this:

http://broscience.com/layne-norton-phd/ ... n-phd.html

[Growth]

Too much broscience crap and pseudoscience of meal frequency, composition, timing, clean vs. dirt etc, it needs to stop.

Lol, terrible.

How so?

Please explain.

Sorry but i had to laugh at the contradiction and hypocrisy.

I mean, i read through the post, which was all about how if it fits your macro, it's good to go, only to read at the end you were mocking the idea of people caring about their meal composition, which i can only assume is actually macro split?

Then you go on to say 'im sick of all this broscience and psuedoscience crap' then go about listing all the facets of nutrition that actually have science behind them. You know what broscience is right? It's like when some jacked as dude is having a chat with his mate and tells him how he eats 50 egg whites a day, and his physique is a direct result of these anecdotal quips. His mate then thinks that not only should he be downing 50 eggs whites a day, but he should spread that word that this is in fact gospel.

That just seemed familiar since here you are, with a physique that would indicate you know a bit about nutrition, spouting that this and that is working for you, and that every man and his dog should take up the same philosophy, all the while you are starting threads in the steriod section asking where you can get ephidrine and clen.

I mean don't get me wrong, i think there is some merit to what it is i think you are trying to say, which is that if your below your calorie budget, and it fits roughly into your macro split, then it's ok to grab a feed at MCD's if you feel like it.

I just think you went a little to far if you are suggesting someone could get away with eating, say their whole carb budget in raw suger, and not have it impact on them. Just feels like you may have over simplified it somewhat, and the way you went about it was a little off.

Other than that great post, repped even.

[AgentOrange]

i thought bro science was maoris in a lab making meth :?

[samoan_muscle]

i thought bro science was maoris in a lab making meth :?

That's cuzzy science bro...

[JOSEF RAKICH]

Other than that great post, repped even.

GJDM. :clap:

[PeterDolan]

Still waiting for someone to post links to studies proving this or is this just broscience too?

[ThePman]

Still waiting for someone to post links to studies proving this or is this just broscience too?

You need studies to show that eating less will make you lose weight?

[samoan_muscle]

Dinner last night = Mac Attack with a Quarter Pounder on the side.

Why? Because JR said....

[PeterDolan]

Still waiting for someone to post links to studies proving this or is this just broscience too?

You need studies to show that eating less will make you lose weight?

No, I need studies to prove that gram for gram, simple carbs are on par with complex carbs

[ThePman]

Still waiting for someone to post links to studies proving this or is this just broscience too?

You need studies to show that eating less will make you lose weight?

No, I need studies to prove that gram for gram, simple carbs are on par with complex carbs

Where's the studies showing that they aren't?

It's all glucose once it hits the bloodstream, so where's the magic?

[PeterDolan]

You need studies to show that eating less will make you lose weight?

No, I need studies to prove that gram for gram, simple carbs are on par with complex carbs

Where's the studies showing that they aren't?

It's all glucose once it hits the bloodstream, so where's the magic?

My understanding, through what I have read, that they illicit different hormone responses and effect the body differently, same goes for fats, not just on the hormonal level.

As Flex said, there is a study to prove and disprove every theory out there, I just wanna see this literature that you and JR keep backing up

[trainlikeafreak]

No, I need studies to prove that gram for gram, simple carbs are on par with complex carbs

Where's the studies showing that they aren't?

It's all glucose once it hits the bloodstream, so where's the magic?

My understanding, through what I have read, that they illicit different hormone responses and effect the body differently, same goes for fats, not just on the hormonal level.

As Flex said, there is a study to prove and disprove every theory out there, I just wanna see this literature that you and JR keep backing up

exactly, 100g of CHO from sugar aint gonna keep you fuller than 100g of CHO from oats. 100g of rolled oats isnt gona give you a PWO insulin spike like a white potato would. have nothing but sugar and whey for the next 2 month and see what happens. meal timing is important too - would you go and do a heavy workout on an empty stomach?? no. is it important to have a shake or meal directly after weights? yes. if you dissagree then your a dumb c*nt.

[ThePman]

My understanding, through what I have read, that they illicit different hormone responses and effect the body differently, same goes for fats, not just on the hormonal level.

They can, but this is an academic issue -- unless you're literally eating raw sugar on an empty stomach, the insulin response won't be there. Nearly all of the research into this happens in fasted subjects; researchers want to see an exaggerated effect to nail down what's happening, and this rarely reflects what actually happens when you eat.

You get an insulin response from eating protein, for example, and mixing carbs with proteins or fats eliminates that quick response because digestion is slowed.

The hormones are another matter. I'm not convinced they matter all that much; if you're eating in a calorie deficit, you'll get a spike after any meal, and that does briefly turn up fat storage. But you're in a deficit, so the net fat mobilization and utilization between meals will be turned up. The net result is no fat stored.

Insulin spikes can't undo a basic need for energy by other organ systems.

As Flex said, there is a study to prove and disprove every theory out there, I just wanna see this literature that you and JR keep backing up

This is why I said that a grounding in the philosophy of science is important for this kind of debate. That line above really isn't true. It can seem like it, if all you ever see are abstracts linked on Pubmed, and if you aren't familiar with the larger body of work in the field.

There's more to the process than just finding an abstract that seems to support your point of view. If you want to look, go to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ and search for glucose metabolism, insulin, calorie balance, etc.

[ThePman]

My understanding, through what I have read, that they illicit different hormone responses and effect the body differently, same goes for fats, not just on the hormonal level.

They can, but this is an academic issue -- unless you're literally eating raw sugar on an empty stomach, the insulin response won't be there. Nearly all of the research into this happens in fasted subjects; researchers want to see an exaggerated effect to nail down what's happening, and this rarely reflects what actually happens when you eat.

You get an insulin response from eating protein, for example, and mixing carbs with proteins or fats eliminates that quick response because digestion is slowed.

The hormones are another matter. I'm not convinced they matter all that much; if you're eating in a calorie deficit, you'll get a spike after any meal, and that does briefly turn up fat storage. But you're in a deficit, so the net fat mobilization and utilization between meals will be turned up. The net result is no fat stored.

Insulin spikes can't undo a basic need for energy by other organ systems.

As Flex said, there is a study to prove and disprove every theory out there, I just wanna see this literature that you and JR keep backing up

This is why I said that a grounding in the philosophy of science is important for this kind of debate. That line above really isn't true. It can seem like it, if all you ever see are abstracts linked on Pubmed, and if you aren't familiar with the larger body of work in the field. But the science isn't usually that scatterbrained (only sometimes).

There's more to the process than just finding an abstract that seems to support your point of view. If you want to look, go to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ and search for glucose metabolism, insulin, calorie balance, etc.

[PeterDolan]

Any particular studies I should look for which are gonna be a little more credible than others?

[Riccardo]

Any particular studies I should look for which are gonna be a little more credible than others?

Hey Pete here's a good one, the one which my post referenced a couple pages back, it found there was no difference measured across a range of parameters including insulin sensitivity, adiposity (fatness), BMI and waist circumference. Among others as well.

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/conten ... 2.abstract

[PeterDolan]

Any particular studies I should look for which are gonna be a little more credible than others?

Hey Pete here's a good one, the one which my post referenced a couple pages back, it found there was no difference measured across a range of parameters including insulin sensitivity, adiposity (fatness), BMI and waist circumference. Among others as well.

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/conten ... 2.abstract

Cheers dude

[JOSEF RAKICH]

meal timing is important too - would you go and do a heavy workout on an empty stomach?? no. is it important to have a shake or meal directly after weights? yes. if you dissagree then your a dumb c*nt.

Meal timing is not all important, hitting your total amount of the macronutrients by the end of the day is. Belive it or not alot of people these days train in a fasted state and claim to have better performance than in a feed state. (Personally not myself, but im just saying)

No its not important to have a meal after the weights, if you have that meal at another time of the day it wont make any difference what so ever on improving body composition, just because you have that meal after the weights you think your going to gain more msucle?? Lol.

Dude you seriously need to stop being so tunnel vision, look at the over all bigger picture on how the body works. The body works on a 24,48,72,weekly basis overall NET balance.

If you actually think that if you dont have a meal after the weights but consume that meal at another time of the day it will have a different effect on body composition, if you actually belive this then your the dumb c*nt.

Im not saying not to have a meal post-workout (i still have my protein and oats) all im saying is if you have this meal at another time of the day it wont make a difference. Cals in VS cald out.

[JOSEF RAKICH]

Dinner last night = Mac Attack with a Quarter Pounder on the side.

Why? Because JR said....

GJDM. :clap:

As long as it fits into your daily macros.

[hhhh1]

is it ok for me to eat all of my food for the next 3 days right now, then eat nothing tomorrow and the next day?

[JOSEF RAKICH]

is it ok for me to eat all of my food for the next 3 days right now, then eat nothing tomorrow and the next day?

Do it by a daily basis IIFYM (for the day) everyones body is different and works different. I know some guys with amazing physiques who eat nothing all day then for dinner they get in all there calories and hit there macros targets also. (1 meal a day) - Still no difference on body comp compared to eating 6x per day with same calorie and macros split.

By the way Lee Priest somedays he eats nothing at all, not even a single calorie, then other days he eats mass amounts, the body dosent change after each meal.