Disregard strength, Aquire lean mass

[Dr Squat]

I would be interested in any literature reviewing how this stuff stacks up with more conventional training. I am not opposed to open mindedness. But I do see a risk that novices and intermediates could get carried away with this.

[ThePman]

I would be interested in any literature reviewing how this stuff stacks up with more conventional training. I am not opposed to open mindedness. But I do see a risk that novices and intermediates could get carried away with this.

There's plenty on Pubmed. Search for "kaatsu" or "occlusion training". You know me though, I'm not going to suggest this as a replacement for plain-old heavy lifting; I just see potential for higher-rep constant-tension work as accessory to add on after the big lifts.

In my thinking the "tie your arm off with a tourniquet" thing is really secondary; I'm more interested in what's happening at the biological level, and I think this is a nice tidy explanation for why "bodybuilding methods" can work -- talking about anything from rest-pause to drop sets and partial-rep "burns" after you can't go through the full ROM anymore.

[Dr Squat]

I would be interested in any literature reviewing how this stuff stacks up with more conventional training. I am not opposed to open mindedness. But I do see a risk that novices and intermediates could get carried away with this.

There's plenty on Pubmed. Search for "kaatsu" or "occlusion training". You know me though, I'm not going to suggest this as a replacement for plain-old heavy lifting; I just see potential for higher-rep constant-tension work as accessory to add on after the big lifts.

In my thinking the "tie your arm off with a tourniquet" thing is really secondary; I'm more interested in what's happening at the biological level, and I think this is a nice tidy explanation for why "bodybuilding methods" can work -- talking about anything from rest-pause to drop sets and partial-rep "burns" after you can't go through the full ROM anymore.

I will have a look. Like you I can see merit after the big lifts. Could be a good way to add some variety into extra workouts also.

[train hard]

I would be interested in any literature reviewing how this stuff stacks up with more conventional training. I am not opposed to open mindedness. But I do see a risk that novices and intermediates could get carried away with this.

i agree with this nothing would be worse then seeing skinny newbes training for the first time thinking they don,t have to worry about getting stronger in order to gain mass getting stronger has been an important part of building muscle ever since the term "bodybuilding" was invented and you don,t need any scientific study to prove that it has been proven time and time again i agree to a certain extent with increasing your 1 rep max it has alot to do with technique and muscle effeciency but if you go from benching 60 kg for 10 reps to 120 kg for 10 reps your chest shoulders and tris will grow no doubt about it same as squat go from 100 for 12 to 160 for 12 with the same technique and your legs will grow i like to keep it simple really

[deepmen15]

Agreed!!! :nod: Occultation training for newbie’s (including me) = a baby trying to run even before he/she has learnt to crawl!!! But there is no harm in reading up and upgrading your knowledge on alternative options of training ….

For reasonably new enthusiasts try this before you think of anything else :pfft: (I am planning to focus on this during my volume training days)

“A recent study compared several training protocols' effects on oxygen levels during the execution of an exercise. With kaatsu training, oxygen levels were at around 22% of the rested/normal state, compared to 32-35% for normal, heavy training — a difference that can explain the efficacy of kaatsu training.

However, they also found that performing sets without blocking blood flow, but using a 303 tempo and never allowing the muscles to relax during the set (always flexing as hard as possible during every inch of every rep) with 50-60% of the maximum performed to failure, led to oxygen levels of 23-24%. Lactate, hGH, and IGF-1 levels were also the same as with kaatsu training.”

For further reff check this link. It is worth a read

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... cle_growth

[tomsammce]

i see the title of this thread and it sounds like somebody is looking for an excuse to train like a little pussy!.... i mean seriously :roll:

[Specter]

I think all those Heavy Minerals flowing throught the Perth water system is leaning out his brain. :pfft: