clen doses

[crazyfacials]

yo

me mate dave is going to be doing a cycle of some liquid clen however he is wondering if it's best to take it as 1 dose in the am or split it as 2 doses ?

thanks for helping out dave

[thatwaslight]

The old my mate Dave eh, lol

Best to split it and take first in am then second half preworkout

[Sifo-Dyas]

There is some conflicting information about this subject and it comes down to the half life.

some literature out there lists the half life of Clen at 36hrs! With that in mind a split dose would seem pointless?

[train hard]

yes half life is 36 hours but if you taking more then 80 mcg per day you would not want to take that in one hit or say hello to some epic sides i say split it first thing in the morn and then 12 to 1 in the afternoon but you don,t wana take any later then 3 or 4 in the afternoon or you might be a bit reastless come night time everyone reacts a little different but thats my experience

[holdenman]

Experiment and find what works for you. I personally could only take it right before bed, sides were too much at work.

[train hard]

Experiment and find what works for you. I personally could only take it right before bed, sides were too much at work.

thats a first never known anyone to take like that each to their own

did you sleep allgood? sweety sheets lol?

[Sifo-Dyas]

I start on 60mcg/day in a single dose and over 5days I work it up to 120mcg/day in a single dose.

It makes no difference what time of day I take it and I do not suffer any negative side effects beyond the initial 5 days at the start where occasionally I may suffer headache and shaky hands.

PS - This thread reminded me I had missed today's dose so I just took 120mcg now and will have NO trouble sleeping tonight...as long as I have the fan down the end of the bed :pfft:

[holdenman]

Experiment and find what works for you. I personally could only take it right before bed, sides were too much at work.

thats a first never known anyone to take like that each to their own

did you sleep allgood? sweety sheets lol?

Sleep was as usual, although I've never had problems sleeping on, ahh... shall we say stimulants. Not usually too sweaty, except after late night cardio :pfft:

[holdenman]

I start on 60mcg/day in a single dose and over 5days I work it up to 120mcg/day in a single dose.

It makes no difference what time of day I take it and I do not suffer any negative side effects beyond the initial 5 days at the start where occasionally I may suffer headache and shaky hands.

PS - This thread reminded me I had missed today's dose so I just took 120mcg now and will have NO trouble sleeping tonight...as long as I have the fan down the end of the bed :pfft:

Agree with this, sides defenitely subside after a few days.

[coxy]

Clenbuterol is quite anti-catabolic and/or anabolic in almost every (animal) study ever done on it, although this hasn’t been studied or confirmed in human studies (3). Also, a trend we see with Clenbuterol administration in animals is that the doses used are very high- more than anyone I’ve ever heard of actually taking. So, what I’m saying is that if Clenbuterol is anabolic or anti-catabolic in humans, only mild anabolic or anti-catabolic effects can realistically be expected. We can take a look at horses given a human-like dose of clen (slightly over 1mcg/lb x2 a day) and exercised for nearly human-like times (20mins, 3x a week) showed very significant decreases in %fat (-17.6%) and fat mass (-19.5%). Interestingly, this significantly increased (+4.4%) at week 6 (1). This has been one of the reasons I have never believed in the 2 weeks on and 2 weeks theory of Clenbuterol administration. Why wouldn’t we want to use it for at least 6 weeks, considering the fact that it seems to have some profound effects during later administration. A “second wind” so to speak (get it? “second wind”? it’s an asthma med! Ha! Ok…moving along…).

One of the primary drawbacks of Clenbuterol is that after a couple of weeks, it seems to stop working for most people. This is because it can cause a downregulation of pulmonary, cardiac and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors(4). This is why it seems to stop burning fat for most people at that point. To counteract this, you can take some Ketotifen, Benadryl, or Periactim every 3rd or 4th week that you remain on Clenbuterol. These are prescription anti-histimines, so they’ll make you drowsy (take before bedtime).

Also, bear in mind that clen isn’t great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etc…) but most studies showing Clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is almost similar to what humans take (in some studies its within range of what would be double of a large human dose...). Again, it’s important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humans’ beta-2 receptors may not, due to their relatively high concentrations. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy to some degree, in some cases and even dose-dependent apoptotic and necrotic myocyte death (5). And since Clen depletes taurine (6) as do most if not all beta-agonists, you may want to supplement your Clen use with some Taurine.

One of the weirdest things about Clenbuterol is that even though it’s an asthma medication, studies have shown reduced exercise (cardiovascular) performance with Clen (7), but some also show that Clen can alleviate exercise induced asthma (8)!

Clenbuterol is one of the easiest drugs to find proper dosing for, and I’ve always made the same recommendations as to finding the appropriate dose for you. Basically, start with 20mcgs upon rising. If the side effects (possible anxiety, and shaking or sweating) aren’t too pronounced, then repeat that same dose again later in the day, and then once again in that day (again, if you find you can tolerate the effects). If you start experiencing intolerable sides, then decrease the does to where it’s tolerable. If not, then start increasing the dose more, very gradually.

Don’t go over 200mcgs, though…and keep your Blood Pressure at (or under) 140/90. If your Blood Pressure goes over that, reduce your dose. If side effects are intolerable, decrease your dose.

[maassive]

Clenbuterol is quite anti-catabolic and/or anabolic in almost every (animal) study ever done on it, although this hasn’t been studied or confirmed in human studies (3). Also, a trend we see with Clenbuterol administration in animals is that the doses used are very high- more than anyone I’ve ever heard of actually taking. So, what I’m saying is that if Clenbuterol is anabolic or anti-catabolic in humans, only mild anabolic or anti-catabolic effects can realistically be expected. We can take a look at horses given a human-like dose of clen (slightly over 1mcg/lb x2 a day) and exercised for nearly human-like times (20mins, 3x a week) showed very significant decreases in %fat (-17.6%) and fat mass (-19.5%). Interestingly, this significantly increased (+4.4%) at week 6 (1). This has been one of the reasons I have never believed in the 2 weeks on and 2 weeks theory of Clenbuterol administration. Why wouldn’t we want to use it for at least 6 weeks, considering the fact that it seems to have some profound effects during later administration. A “second wind” so to speak (get it? “second wind”? it’s an asthma med! Ha! Ok…moving along…).

One of the primary drawbacks of Clenbuterol is that after a couple of weeks, it seems to stop working for most people. This is because it can cause a downregulation of pulmonary, cardiac and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors(4). This is why it seems to stop burning fat for most people at that point. To counteract this, you can take some Ketotifen, Benadryl, or Periactim every 3rd or 4th week that you remain on Clenbuterol. These are prescription anti-histimines, so they’ll make you drowsy (take before bedtime).

Also, bear in mind that clen isn’t great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etc…) but most studies showing Clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is almost similar to what humans take (in some studies its within range of what would be double of a large human dose...). Again, it’s important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humans’ beta-2 receptors may not, due to their relatively high concentrations. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy to some degree, in some cases and even dose-dependent apoptotic and necrotic myocyte death (5). And since Clen depletes taurine (6) as do most if not all beta-agonists, you may want to supplement your Clen use with some Taurine.

One of the weirdest things about Clenbuterol is that even though it’s an asthma medication, studies have shown reduced exercise (cardiovascular) performance with Clen (7), but some also show that Clen can alleviate exercise induced asthma (8)!

Clenbuterol is one of the easiest drugs to find proper dosing for, and I’ve always made the same recommendations as to finding the appropriate dose for you. Basically, start with 20mcgs upon rising. If the side effects (possible anxiety, and shaking or sweating) aren’t too pronounced, then repeat that same dose again later in the day, and then once again in that day (again, if you find you can tolerate the effects). If you start experiencing intolerable sides, then decrease the does to where it’s tolerable. If not, then start increasing the dose more, very gradually.

Don’t go over 200mcgs, though…and keep your Blood Pressure at (or under) 140/90. If your Blood Pressure goes over that, reduce your dose. If side effects are intolerable, decrease your dose.

care to provide the source for this cut n paste?

[jimjim83]

Clenbuterol is quite anti-catabolic and/or anabolic in almost every (animal) study ever done on it, although this hasn’t been studied or confirmed in human studies (3). Also, a trend we see with Clenbuterol administration in animals is that the doses used are very high- more than anyone I’ve ever heard of actually taking. So, what I’m saying is that if Clenbuterol is anabolic or anti-catabolic in humans, only mild anabolic or anti-catabolic effects can realistically be expected. We can take a look at horses given a human-like dose of clen (slightly over 1mcg/lb x2 a day) and exercised for nearly human-like times (20mins, 3x a week) showed very significant decreases in %fat (-17.6%) and fat mass (-19.5%). Interestingly, this significantly increased (+4.4%) at week 6 (1). This has been one of the reasons I have never believed in the 2 weeks on and 2 weeks theory of Clenbuterol administration. Why wouldn’t we want to use it for at least 6 weeks, considering the fact that it seems to have some profound effects during later administration. A “second wind” so to speak (get it? “second wind”? it’s an asthma med! Ha! Ok…moving along…).

One of the primary drawbacks of Clenbuterol is that after a couple of weeks, it seems to stop working for most people. This is because it can cause a downregulation of pulmonary, cardiac and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors(4). This is why it seems to stop burning fat for most people at that point. To counteract this, you can take some Ketotifen, Benadryl, or Periactim every 3rd or 4th week that you remain on Clenbuterol. These are prescription anti-histimines, so they’ll make you drowsy (take before bedtime).

Also, bear in mind that clen isn’t great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etc…) but most studies showing Clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is almost similar to what humans take (in some studies its within range of what would be double of a large human dose...). Again, it’s important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humans’ beta-2 receptors may not, due to their relatively high concentrations. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy to some degree, in some cases and even dose-dependent apoptotic and necrotic myocyte death (5). And since Clen depletes taurine (6) as do most if not all beta-agonists, you may want to supplement your Clen use with some Taurine.

One of the weirdest things about Clenbuterol is that even though it’s an asthma medication, studies have shown reduced exercise (cardiovascular) performance with Clen (7), but some also show that Clen can alleviate exercise induced asthma (8)!

Clenbuterol is one of the easiest drugs to find proper dosing for, and I’ve always made the same recommendations as to finding the appropriate dose for you. Basically, start with 20mcgs upon rising. If the side effects (possible anxiety, and shaking or sweating) aren’t too pronounced, then repeat that same dose again later in the day, and then once again in that day (again, if you find you can tolerate the effects). If you start experiencing intolerable sides, then decrease the does to where it’s tolerable. If not, then start increasing the dose more, very gradually.

Don’t go over 200mcgs, though…and keep your Blood Pressure at (or under) 140/90. If your Blood Pressure goes over that, reduce your dose. If side effects are intolerable, decrease your dose.

WANABJKD?

[train hard]

has too be WBJ on that subject got a free week trial at a gym in manukau and what do you know the man was there training i went up to him and said hey WBJ and told him who i was and he just looked at me with a sort of freaked out look said nothing and turned around and walked to the changing rooms and went home WTF i was like weirdo anyway if you are reading this WBJ no need to be a muppet no need to freak if you are going to act like that you shouldn't post pics of yourself on the net

[crazyfacials]

oh sweet how are those 1 week trials? do you get tied to anything? been trying to get my mates to come but they've a bunch of vaginas

[thatwaslight]

has too be WBJ on that subject got a free week trial at a gym in manukau and what do you know the man was there training i went up to him and said hey WBJ and told him who i was and he just looked at me with a sort of freaked out look said nothing and turned around and walked to the changing rooms and went home WTF i was like weirdo anyway if you are reading this WBJ no need to be a muppet no need to freak if you are going to act like that you shouldn't post pics of yourself on the net

What he look like in the flesh bro?

[AgentOrange]

has too be WBJ on that subject got a free week trial at a gym in manukau and what do you know the man was there training i went up to him and said hey WBJ and told him who i was and he just looked at me with a sort of freaked out look said nothing and turned around and walked to the changing rooms and went home WTF i was like weirdo anyway if you are reading this WBJ no need to be a muppet no need to freak if you are going to act like that you shouldn't post pics of yourself on the net

Classic lol. Unless it wasn't him and he thought who the fucks this weirdo calling me wanna be jakd. Lol

[poos_n_wees]

...i went up to him and said hey WBJ and told him who i was and he just looked at me with a sort of freaked out look said nothing and turned around and walked to the changing rooms and went home WTF

Err.. Did you say, "Hey wanna be jacked, I'm _____."

If so, yeah, you probably freaked him out.. But not the way you think :?

[maassive]

has too be WBJ on that subject got a free week trial at a gym in manukau and what do you know the man was there training i went up to him and said hey WBJ and told him who i was and he just looked at me with a sort of freaked out look said nothing and turned around and walked to the changing rooms and went home WTF i was like weirdo anyway if you are reading this WBJ no need to be a muppet no need to freak if you are going to act like that you shouldn't post pics of yourself on the net

What did his flesh look like bro?

(a little bit homo)

Fixed for you mate.

[train hard]

nah WBJ is allgood bumped into each other again at gym today and had a chat he was having a bad day the other day but allgood now. We are all the same once we hit the gym floor might have a train some time if i decide to join that gym .

oh sweet how are those 1 week trials? do you get tied to anything? been trying to get my mates to come but they've a bunch of vaginas

i know a bodybuilder who has been training at that gym for a while and he hooked me and my training partner from my current gym up you don't get tied to anything.

What he look like in the flesh bro?

a bit bigger then in his pics i think all the hate motivated him to go hard lol

and yes (no homo)

[crazyfacials]

ah sweet dude..good to see another NZbber at our gym ...I might ask every female there if she's poos and wees

[train hard]

ah sweet dude..good to see another NZbber at our gym ...I might ask every female there if she's poos and wees

yea gym has a good vibe alot better then the current one i am at lots of room too.

anyway what did your mate "Dave" decide to take? and how is it going?

[crazyfacials]

dave is a fat c*nt, he started off well then he strayed off...now he said he's going to slim down without any clen

[Anaru84]

Experiment and find what works for you. I personally could only take it right before bed, sides were too much at work.

how did u go taking a stimulant right before bed? did u sleep ok? i have trouble getting to sleep on clen.

i have ran it up 150mcg a day and couldnt handle the sides. i was jittery as couldnt hold my dk straight for a piss lol.

clen by itself i find isnt that great, i get much better results with low dose clen and low dose t3 together. say 60mcg clen and 40-50mcg t3.

[Varven]

Been lying low forever,

anyway...

I got my hands on some vet grade clen gel (people on this end of the ditch use it heaps- not sure what you guys get )... pharma name: Claire Gel.

Started off this week with 40mg, will bump it all the way up to 120mg and go 2weeks on and 2 weeks off.

I know this is really weird, but about one hour after consuming - I get sleepy.

Yes, sleepy and tired... like I wanna roll over and sleep like a fricking baby.....

I mentioned this to others who are using the same stuff - and they went wtf - we're all hyper active on it....

anyone else have this issue?

[hhhh1]

Been lying low forever,

anyway...

I got my hands on some vet grade clen gel (people on this end of the ditch use it heaps- not sure what you guys get )... pharma name: Claire Gel.

Started off this week with 40mg, will bump it all the way up to 120mg and go 2weeks on and 2 weeks off.

I know this is really weird, but about one hour after consuming - I get sleepy.

Yes, sleepy and tired... like I wanna roll over and sleep like a fricking baby.....

I mentioned this to others who are using the same stuff - and they went wtf - we're all hyper active on it....

anyone else have this issue?

lol someone probably added a bit of ketamine to yours