Depression makes me run, and run

[Pumpupthejam]

Lol. Right thats it, I'm not sleeping on the flight for fear of being felt up by a big hairy macho hand.

I might come out to tai tapu watch you while you sleep... :shifty:

Beware, Leatherface lives out here and hes a good mate of mine.

[vracula]

Id let you fall asleep on my shoulder. Then Id gently slide your face into my lap. :shifty:

Ewwww gross man, you know I'm a dude right? homo!!! LOL

Its a long flight.

As long as you shave before im not fussed.

and make sure you have been wearing weight training gloves,Jim Jim loves non callused hands lol!

[maassive]

OK - returning back from Jimjim's fantasy, I'd like to make a few comments as someone who has had clinical depression.

Firstly, one of the most important things that has been said here was a comment by Chemo on the importance of sleep. A lack of sleep can turn normal depression into severe depression with psychosis - and this is quite common. It cannot be stressed enough how important it is that you sleep enough when you are struggling with mood/mental health issues. This means that running in the middle of the night, as well as watching movies late at night etc, is not a good idea. Finding it hard to sleep is a typical symptom of depression, particularly because Seratonin (the neurotransmitter that is affected/responsible for depression) is also responsible for regulating sleep. Usually depression is treated with sleep medication and/or sleep techniques and this is an integral part of recovery.

Secondly, a word on alcohol. Alcohol may make you feel sleepy, but unfortunately, it's well documented that it also affects the quality of sleep by inhibiting the REM phase (deep sleep). People who have depression often drink more frequently because Alcohol makes them feel more relaxed and may help them get to sleep. In the long run this is not helpful because it inhibits quality sleep and because Alcohol is known to produce detrimental effects on mood - particularly in those with mood disorders. This will come right as you recover, but part of the recovery process involves restricting alcohol intake.

Thirdly, you're doing the right thing by exercising because of the multiple ways in which exercise positively affects health and mood. Keep it up. Set goals that are achievable and the feeling of progress will really help your mood and reinforce a positive self image. Exercise and goal achievement are some of the most useful tools you have in your arsenal against this!

Lastly - and maybe most crucially - medication is not weakness. Imagine if someone else posted a thread like yours and said that they have diabetes, but don't want insulin medication, but wanted to beat their hypoglycaemic comas with hypnotherapy.... Just as diabetes is a medical condition, so too is depression and in fact there are many similarities. A diabetic doesn't make enough or doesn't respond to insulin; someone with depression doesn't make enough or doesn't respond to seratonin. There are various causes of this, but one of the biggest differences between this and diabetes is that depression can often be curable. However, what many people don't realise is that it actually requires meds at first before other techniques can begin working.

You are on the right track mate. Please tell a doctor how you are feeling. I know that the day that I was prescribed anti-depressants I drove home feeling like the biggest looser in the world - like I had given in and become a wimp. However, looking back I am so thankful I did that because now I am fully functional and healthy again and meds gave me the ability to get there.

[cara2011]

Agree with maassive... :nod:

Everyones experience with depression is entirely different and what works for one may not work for another. So again, remain open minded!

There are certainly many types of treatment available to you.

[Gasp]

....... I go back to UK in 2 weeks time. Maybe something to help me sleep in that shitty flying tube as well lol. 30 hour trip in economy class...uuughhh......im packing my carry on bag with beers thats for sure! LOL.

Apart from the beer anyone contemplating living in the UK is likely to be depressed.

Try reading this on the plane, it should help you sleep or change your mind.

[Pumpupthejam]

OK - returning back from Jimjim's fantasy, I'd like to make a few comments as someone who has had clinical depression.

Firstly, one of the most important things that has been said here was a comment by Chemo on the importance of sleep. A lack of sleep can turn normal depression into severe depression with psychosis - and this is quite common. It cannot be stressed enough how important it is that you sleep enough when you are struggling with mood/mental health issues. This means that running in the middle of the night, as well as watching movies late at night etc, is not a good idea. Finding it hard to sleep is a typical symptom of depression, particularly because Seratonin (the neurotransmitter that is affected/responsible for depression) is also responsible for regulating sleep. Usually depression is treated with sleep medication and/or sleep techniques and this is an integral part of recovery.

Secondly, a word on alcohol. Alcohol may make you feel sleepy, but unfortunately, it's well documented that it also affects the quality of sleep by inhibiting the REM phase (deep sleep). People who have depression often drink more frequently because Alcohol makes them feel more relaxed and may help them get to sleep. In the long run this is not helpful because it inhibits quality sleep and because Alcohol is known to produce detrimental effects on mood - particularly in those with mood disorders. This will come right as you recover, but part of the recovery process involves restricting alcohol intake.

Thirdly, you're doing the right thing by exercising because of the multiple ways in which exercise positively affects health and mood. Keep it up. Set goals that are achievable and the feeling of progress will really help your mood and reinforce a positive self image. Exercise and goal achievement are some of the most useful tools you have in your arsenal against this!

Lastly - and maybe most crucially - medication is not weakness. Imagine if someone else posted a thread like yours and said that they have diabetes, but don't want insulin medication, but wanted to beat their hypoglycaemic comas with hypnotherapy.... Just as diabetes is a medical condition, so too is depression and in fact there are many similarities. A diabetic doesn't make enough or doesn't respond to insulin; someone with depression doesn't make enough or doesn't respond to seratonin. There are various causes of this, but one of the biggest differences between this and diabetes is that depression can often be curable. However, what many people don't realise is that it actually requires meds at first before other techniques can begin working.

You are on the right track mate. Please tell a doctor how you are feeling. I know that the day that I was prescribed anti-depressants I drove home feeling like the biggest looser in the world - like I had given in and become a wimp. However, looking back I am so thankful I did that because now I am fully functional and healthy again and meds gave me the ability to get there.

Hey Maaasive thanks for taking the time to write all that.

When you first took anti-depressants what effect did you notice? Did your depression slide somewhat? I.e you were still depressed but it wasn't as bad? I think my doctor doesn't beleive in giving me pills as I asked for something for anxiety but he wasn't keen on giving me anything.

[Pumpupthejam]

....... I go back to UK in 2 weeks time. Maybe something to help me sleep in that shitty flying tube as well lol. 30 hour trip in economy class...uuughhh......im packing my carry on bag with beers thats for sure! LOL.

Apart from the beer anyone contemplating living in the UK is likely to be depressed.

Try reading this on the plane, it should help you sleep or change your mind.[attachment=0]England.jpg[/attachment]

Well it would be too late to change my mind once I'm on the plane lol.

Ironically, I have seen one of these books when I was in England way back in 2004 or something and the front cover had a picture of HUNTINGDON which is the town where I once lived.

[maassive]

Hey Maaasive thanks for taking the time to write all that.

When you first took anti-depressants what effect did you notice? Did your depression slide somewhat? I.e you were still depressed but it wasn't as bad? I think my doctor doesn't beleive in giving me pills as I asked for something for anxiety but he wasn't keen on giving me anything.

I think affects will vary depending on dose, person and drug. However, it usually takes 2 weeks or so to kick in and then the biggest change is that you begin to get control of your thoughts again. You don't feel happy all of a sudden, but what does happen is that you will be able to recognise that thoughts are out of whack and actually be able to work on changing them. I think that pills give you tools you need to begin to change the way you are thinking and make other changes to your lifestyle. my experience anyway

[Pumpupthejam]

Hey Maaasive thanks for taking the time to write all that.

When you first took anti-depressants what effect did you notice? Did your depression slide somewhat? I.e you were still depressed but it wasn't as bad? I think my doctor doesn't beleive in giving me pills as I asked for something for anxiety but he wasn't keen on giving me anything.

I think affects will vary depending on dose, person and drug. However, it usually takes 2 weeks or so to kick in and then the biggest change is that you begin to get control of your thoughts again. You don't feel happy all of a sudden, but what does happen is that you will be able to recognise that thoughts are out of whack and actually be able to work on changing them. I think that pills give you tools you need to begin to change the way you are thinking and make other changes to your lifestyle. my experience anyway

Ah ok. Yeh it would be interesting to think freely/clearly.

I've always thought my feeling were out of whack at times, and sometimes you hav those days where suddenly you feel like total shit for no reason and it takes ages for the feeling to go away

[Pumpupthejam]

....... I go back to UK in 2 weeks time. Maybe something to help me sleep in that shitty flying tube as well lol. 30 hour trip in economy class...uuughhh......im packing my carry on bag with beers thats for sure! LOL.

Apart from the beer anyone contemplating living in the UK is likely to be depressed.

Try reading this on the plane, it should help you sleep or change your mind.[attachment=0]England.jpg[/attachment]

Here you go this is Huntingdon on the front cover.

[Gasp]

....... I go back to UK in 2 weeks time. Maybe something to help me sleep in that shitty flying tube as well lol. 30 hour trip in economy class...uuughhh......im packing my carry on bag with beers thats for sure! LOL.

Apart from the beer anyone contemplating living in the UK is likely to be depressed.

Try reading this on the plane, it should help you sleep or change your mind.[attachment=0]England.jpg[/attachment]

Here you go this is Huntingdon on the front cover.

....It looks so affluent and lively there though!...Shame on them for including Huntington...I assume thats the main street in rush hour with life and social networking centreing around the towns thriving department store; "Cash Converters".

[Pumpupthejam]

To be fair tho, it was a pretty shitty place, I lived in Godmanchester up the road when I was 15, then in Huntington for a bit in 2006, and lived in Ramsey for 3 years when I was younger. Huntingdon and surrounding areas had a big Heroin problem back in 99 and there were alot of thefts from houses. My stepdad had his brand new 500 quid mountain bike nicked from the shed one night so he hammered nails thru the top of the gate so if anyone climbed over again theyd get munted lol.

Edit-Yeh thats the 'square' where actually, is the least amount of shops there, Cash Converters, Wilsons, charity shops...where you actually walk thru the high street is where all the shops are. I think the photographer just took a pic of shittest looking part of the town.

[ThePman]

Ah ok. Yeh it would be interesting to think freely/clearly.

I've always thought my feeling were out of whack at times, and sometimes you hav those days where suddenly you feel like total shit for no reason and it takes ages for the feeling to go away

Along with drugs, I'd highly recommend Feeling Good by David Burns. Cognitive therapy can work very well alongside drug treatments.

[Pumpupthejam]

Ah ok. Yeh it would be interesting to think freely/clearly.

I've always thought my feeling were out of whack at times, and sometimes you hav those days where suddenly you feel like total shit for no reason and it takes ages for the feeling to go away

Along with drugs, I'd highly recommend Feeling Good by David Burns. Cognitive therapy can work very well alongside drug treatments.

Thanks

[jimjim83]

Seems like everybody on here is a boo hoo betty.

If you spent more time chasing ass and lifting weights instead of crying like a baby on the net your life might be more fulfilling

As chopper would say, "HARDEN THE f*ck UP".

[Pumpupthejam]

Seems like everybody on here is a boo hoo betty.

As chopper would say, "HARDEN THE f*ck UP".

I assure you, I'm quite 'hard' (not in the way you want me to be, sorry) but it still doesn't stop the chemicals in my brain from making me FEEL what I feel.

Thats like saying to ww1/ww2 and Vietnam vets 'just get over it, harden up, it was years ago, stop being a pussy'.

Doesn't solve the problem at all bottling it up.

[jimjim83]

Seems like everybody on here is a boo hoo betty.

As chopper would say, "HARDEN THE f*ck UP".

I assure you, I'm quite 'hard' (not in the way you want me to be, sorry) but it still doesn't stop the chemicals in my brain from making me FEEL what I feel.

You sound soft to me. Maybe you and john kirwin should have a cuddle.

That man is an embarrasment

HARDEN THE f*ck UP JOHN

[Pumpupthejam]

Seems like everybody on here is a boo hoo betty.

As chopper would say, "HARDEN THE f*ck UP".

I assure you, I'm quite 'hard' (not in the way you want me to be, sorry) but it still doesn't stop the chemicals in my brain from making me FEEL what I feel.

You sound soft to me. Maybe you and john kirwin should have a cuddle.

That man is an embarrasment

HARDEN THE f*ck UP JOHN

Why? A real man cries. End of story.

[jimjim83]

I assure you, I'm quite 'hard' (not in the way you want me to be, sorry) but it still doesn't stop the chemicals in my brain from making me FEEL what I feel.

You sound soft to me. Maybe you and john kirwin should have a cuddle.

That man is an embarrasment

HARDEN THE f*ck UP JOHN

Why? A real man cries. End of story.

While they are biting the pillow?

[Pumpupthejam]

You sound soft to me. Maybe you and john kirwin should have a cuddle.

That man is an embarrasment

HARDEN THE f*ck UP JOHN

Why? A real man cries. End of story.

While they are biting the pillow?

Hey, i'm hearing that song now, Macho man, macho macho man.

[AgentOrange]

pumpupthemeds

[Pumpupthejam]

pumpupthemeds

Hahaha, dear god, I admit an inner feeling and get ripped on by pseudo macho macho meeeeen. The irony is most 'macho' men are likely to be more feminine inside than the guys who they rip on.

"You can tell a macho, he has a funky walk

his western shirts and leather, always look so boss

Funky with his body, he's a king

call him Mister Eagle, dig his chains

You can best believe that, he's a macho man

likes to be the leader, he never dresses grand"

[jimjim83]

Why? A real man cries. End of story.

While they are biting the pillow?

Hey, i'm hearing that song now, Macho man, macho macho man.

Fucking females is for poofs.

[Pumpupthejam]

So you're macho and gay jimjim? Hows that working for you? You give and make others take? "Macho machooo maaaaan".

[AgentOrange]

you not a man till you had a man - Peter Dolan