I need some help with supplements.

[Arcantium]

HELLO NZBB!

I recently obtained the P90X DVD's and I am planning on starting the program on June 1st. At the moment I'm getting everything in order - and I need YOUR help to make sure I'm not stuffing everything up from the beginning.

Okay - The P90X website wants me to pay a billion dollars for a bunch of supplements; and I'm not prepared to fork out such a huge amount. Ive been reading around the internet and it looks like I can use alternative supplements which wont cost the earth (especially since our dollar isn't exactly worth the most.) I have all the equipment; but I need help with the supplements.

I've found information on alternatives in a few places around the web - but this site pretty much sums it all up (everything that I need for the program)

http://www.fitbomb.com/2009/10/beachbody-boondoggle.html

Firstly the Peak Health Formula.

This is supposedly just a multivitamin that is taken daily. I know you can get these from pretty much every pharmacy in our little country. This is the list of ingredients for the official version

http://www.extremebodyworkout.com/p90x-products/p90x-peak-health-formula.php

Can someone please suggest a good Multivitamin or alternative to this supplement?

Next - The recovery drink.

Ive found this everywhere; that chocolate milk is pretty awesome. I dont know about how true this is as apparently the study was funded by some milk company, but if anyone here has used this; please tell! Or If you think theres a better recovery/post-workout drink; REPLY!

After this comes the protein bars.

Ive seen those Protein33 bars around at shops and stuff. Would that be a good enough supplement or should I grab something off punchsupplements?

Next up: Beachbody Strength & Muscle Men's Formula

Apparently for this - I can just put a scoop of creatine into my chocolate milk.

Beachbody's Whey Protein:

I know that you can get whey protein at woolworths. I have some in my cupboard thats 100% Whey, and its nowhere near as expensive that the "Official" version. And better yet - Apparently I can throw this into my chocolate milk mega-mix as well!

Lastly; Beachbody's Joint Support Super Formula

This is just Glucosamine with MSM. After doing a quick search on punchsupplements I found some at a fraction of the price.

Okay! So thats everything I need! But being new to this game - I need the help of the pros. Thats where you come in!!! If you can suggest to me which supplements to take as alternatives to what - it would be a great help to me! If theres something I'm doing very wrong, please let me know.

Thanks in advance for all your help!

[mike27]

forget all that

What do you currently eat on a daily basis?

times,quanitites,what food?

[olympia]

That would cost you a fortune!!! Stick with food sources and at best stick with creatine and protein but not as a replacement to whole food.

[thatwaslight]

P90x........lol

[Soarer]

Hi Arcantium im new here too and coincidentally doing P90X aswell but im starting this monday. Ive done a little bit of research on the supplements side of things and it sounds like protein powders are a must, creatine is highly recommended and so is a glutomine supplement (as its a 7days a week program joints will be worked thoroughly) but you can do without them. Multivitamins are not essential if you eat plenty of veggies and fruit.

I personally will only be useing protein powder but will look into creatine before i get to the 2nd phase. Protein powder you get from super markets are not very good as they dont have all the amino acids + vitamins that all the preofessional brands have but if thats all your've got its better than nothing.

- Soarer

[hhhh1]

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[Arcantium]

P90x........lol

yeah i hope you didnt pay for the DVDs...theyre free on piratebay

Heh... Does anyone REALLY pay for anything these days?

Hi Arcantium im new here too and coincidentally doing P90X aswell but im starting this monday. Ive done a little bit of research on the supplements side of things and it sounds like protein powders are a must, creatine is highly recommended and so is a glutomine supplement (as its a 7days a week program joints will be worked thoroughly) but you can do without them. Multivitamins are not essential if you eat plenty of veggies and fruit.

Thanks for your help! I'll definitely be mixing protein powder into my chocolate milk, then taking my glutomine with it!

I personally will only be useing protein powder but will look into creatine before i get to the 2nd phase. Protein powder you get from super markets are not very good as they dont have all the amino acids + vitamins that all the preofessional brands have but if thats all your've got its better than nothing.

- Soarer

The protein drink I have is Aussie Bodies 100% WHEY Protein Powder.

It says the Amino acids it contains are Isoleucine (1.6g) Leucine (2.6g) and Valine (1.4g) per 30g serving. If you could suggest a good protein powder from an online store it would be handy

As for creatine; I think Ill get some to put into my post-workout chocolate milk, with the protein powder.

That would cost you a fortune!!! Stick with food sources and at best stick with creatine and protein but not as a replacement to whole food.

Thanks! I know I will definitely be eating food, I just want to make sure Im not doing intense work outs without seeing results. I just need to know which supplements will best help me achieve this (And Im basing it all off the stuff the P90x program sells itself)

forget all that

What do you currently eat on a daily basis?

times,quanitites,what food?

Umm, Id say I eat relatively healthy foods. Home made dinners; I DO eat my greens Umm, Im a university student so I tend to eat about 4-5 times a day. Not huge meals, just enough to fill the gap. I'll usually have a bowl of cereal or toast for breakfast at around 6:30-7:00. Maybe a sandwich at about 10:00-11:00, perhaps a pie or tuna on rice crackers at about 1:00-3:00, then come home and have dinner at around 7:00-9:00.

Lastly; Since Im relatively new to the whole supplement thing (Ive only really ever had a protein drink after a workout and thats about it) I need help with which products to choose. If you suggest something - say, a creatine powder - could you please also give an example of a good one?

Thanks again everyone for all your help!

[mike27]

personally id look at getting a great diet sorted first before adding anything other than a protein powder

all you need is a whey protein powder

see bodybuilding.co.nz

whats ur height and weight?

strat with 5 meals per day, every day!

breakie

morning tea

lunch

arfternoon tea

dinner

you can add another meal/snack after dinner if need be

have complex carbs,lean protein and a little good fats with every meal

[Arcantium]

personally id look at getting a great diet sorted first before adding anything other than a protein powder

all you need is a whey protein powder

see bodybuilding.co.nz

whats ur height and weight?

strat with 5 meals per day, every day!

breakie

morning tea

lunch

arfternoon tea

dinner

you can add another meal/snack after dinner if need be

have complex carbs,lean protein and a little good fats with every meal

Thanks for your help mike27.

Im about 193cm and 85kg. I was pretty much skin and bone my whole life - up until I started uni. Now that Im in town alot and always busy, I put on a bit of weight and got a bit of a belly.

Im going to start preparing my food in the mornings before going now. Im basing my diet on the nutrition guide in the P90X booklet.

Its mostly a protein diet, with protein portions being about twice as big as the other ones e.g:

7 Protein 100cal servings

3 Dairy 120cal servings

1 Fruit 100 cal serving

4 Vegetables (1 cup cooked, 2 cups leafy greens)

1 Fat 1tsp serving (eg olive oil etc)

1 Carb 200cal serving

3 Snack (morning/afternoon tea) e.g. Protein bars, nonfat yoghurt, fruit sorbet

2 Condiments (sauces like BBQ and other low-fat stuff)

The diet changes as the program progresses; but this is generally what it looks like. I think this is the one from week 2?

Also, does the protein shake I described in the last post sound like its any good? Or should I be getting something different?

Im thinking about getting these products:

A Whey Protein Powder, either:

http://www.bodybuilding.co.nz/nutrawhey-elite.html

-or-

http://www.bodybuilding.co.nz/cheapwheyprotein.html

Joint Support

http://www.bodybuilding.co.nz/joint-support.html

Multivitamin

http://www.bodybuilding.co.nz/sport-vitamins.html

Creatine

http://www.bodybuilding.co.nz/creatine-monohydrate.html

If the products I should be getting are different to these - can someone please specify some that are good?

Thanks again everyone!

[mike27]

yeah you could buy that whey protein and creatine

id leave the multi and joint support. instead invest ur $$ in real food

oats,rice,pasta etc lean meats chick breast,steaks

fresh fish

tinned salmon and tuna

flax oil and good peanut butter,olive oil

eggs etc

ur diet shud be around 25% protein, 50-60% carbs and 20-25%fats.

as a rough guide

protein 1 - 2g protein per kg of bodyweight

so ur 85kg = 85g - 170g protein per day

why p90???

[mike27]

you say mostly a protein diet?

you gunna need carbs and good fats too!

[Chemo]

P90x

[legacy]

P90x ain't that bad. I got a mate thats doing it, juiced years ago and kept most of his size but put on a bit of fat. He is using it to lose some fat and tone/slightly build his body. Hes 110kg at the moment and wanting to get to 95kg ripped, so far P90X is working for him.

[Arcantium]

P90x

Gym-Retard.jpg?? Seriously, thats not a very nice thing to say about someone trying to start out. I thought people like you only existed on gaming forums; slagging off everything that isn't what they do, or is a little bit different. You could just say "I dislike the P90X program because ______."

I chose P90X because Im pretty crap at setting dates/calendars up, and I dont like doing the same thing over and over again. Finding out theres something that swaps it up a bit AND has a set program seemed like it'd make it easy for me to finally do something, other than riding a bike, doing push ups, pumping iron, or jumping on lymphaciser with weights.

P90x ain't that bad. I got a mate thats doing it, juiced years ago and kept most of his size but put on a bit of fat. He is using it to lose some fat and tone/slightly build his body. Hes 110kg at the moment and wanting to get to 95kg ripped, so far P90X is working for him.

Thanks for the encouragement! Even if it wasnt meant as encouragement! Haha. Me and my brother are starting soon. Weve changed our start date to next monday so we have everything sorted out first.

yeah you could buy that whey protein and creatine

id leave the multi and joint support. instead invest ur $$ in real food

oats,rice,pasta etc lean meats chick breast,steaks

fresh fish

tinned salmon and tuna

flax oil and good peanut butter,olive oil

eggs etc

ur diet shud be around 25% protein, 50-60% carbs and 20-25%fats.

as a rough guide

protein 1 - 2g protein per kg of bodyweight

so ur 85kg = 85g - 170g protein per day

why p90???

you say mostly a protein diet?

you gunna need carbs and good fats too!

Thanks again mike27 for all your help! Protein and Creatine it is! However, The program looks pretty intense, and it goes hard out for 3 months. I dont want it to wear out my joints too badly so I might get the joint support as more of a precautionary measure.

What did you mean by "good peanut butter" ? Is there a particular brand or type that is better to eat? I remember having peanut butter on celery with raisins as a kid; and I imagine that would be a pretty healthy snack.

What would you (or anyone else that may be reading this) suggest as a good snack sized food for morning/afternoon tea?

[legacy]

Good peanut butter = peanuts as the ingredient, no sugar,salt,oils etc.

[mike27]

yup as legacy says

most PB's have loads of added salt,sugars and oils to bulk it up

you want the natural PB, it'll be more $$, but better for ya, just blended peanuts

a health food shop shud have it

or at the supermarket.... Pic's is a good brand.

if your diet is good and sorted you arent gonna need those extra supps. better to put the money on food and gym membership

[Arcantium]

Ohh Im not planning on using the gym. I have a pretty big space downstairs in my lounge, and Ive set up all the equipment I need for the 90 days.

Thanks for the help everyone! But, does anyone else have some snacks they choose to eat for morning/afternoon teas that they can suggest to me?

[legacy]

Heaps of fresh fruit and nuts is what I snack on.

[mike27]

bananas

tuna and rice

chicken and rice

steak and rice

and so on

almonds,cottage cheese.

[bang_bang]

what are you hoping to acheive doing this programe?

[Arcantium]

Thanks for the snack suggestions!

what are you hoping to acheive doing this programe?

I want to lose a bit of weight, get stronger, and get a better self image. Im so unfit that it annoys me.

I attend the University of Auckland - and if anyone lives in or around Auckland, and knows the general location of the uni, (Or has attended it) they know about Albert Park. Everyone hates it. Its the big ass hill you MUST climb to get to your morning classes, or any classes for that matter.

Everyone gets puffed out on that hill, but I feel like Im going to die when I reach the top of it. I originally started riding an exercycle about a year ago to try to get fit enough, but nothing happened. Its impossible to NOT get tired climbing that beast.

This was originally why I set out to find a better way to get fit. I thought about an Ab Circle Pro, because my brother has one and he got some mad abs from it - then I listened to Bruno Mars and heard him say "P90X" and was like "What the heck is that? Some kind of drug no doubt" - I googled it and found out it was exercise. This was a huge shock; so I looked into it and found everyones success stories. But what took the cake was the fact it changes over the course of the 90 days. I was pretty sick of using the exercycle after having done the same thing most mornings for a whole year.

I guess I pretty much just want to get fit, ripped, and strong. This program just allows me to follow a figurative map to get to where I want to go. Im crap with setting goals - but now I can finally follow something step by step to get to where I want to be!

[Soarer]

Hey after finishing my first workout yesterday ( chest and back) i think creatine is definitly a good idea, i was really low on energy when i got to the second round and then going onto the ab ripper... whew! it was intense!

[weener lad]

Here's some advice to reinforce what others have said.

First: EAT

Second: EAT

Thrid: TRAIN

and when eating and training isn't doing the ob anymore try throwing some supplements in. Supplements are exactly that guys, they supplement a good diet and training program they are not miracle cures. :nod:

[Agent]

Here's some advice to reinforce what others have said.

First: EAT

Second: EAT

Thrid: TRAIN

and when eating and training isn't doing the ob anymore try throwing some supplements in. Supplements are exactly that guys, they supplement a good diet and training program they are not miracle cures. :nod:

Couldn't agree more, many people buy a heap of supplements before they get their diet anywhere close to sorted.

Turning a poor diet into a quality diet and eating enough will give better gains than any supplement.

[Soarer]

It is true that a good diet is the best way to go but for p90x specifically, during the first phase, the " fat shredding phase" it recommends to eat 50% protein 30% carbs and 20% fat so energy levels are lower then average.